The free world.

Da fuck I know? Ukraine gave up the nukes, you signed to protect back in 1994. Fucking do it.

The US President cannot rule by decree and tell a bank to close certain accounts or to take a persons monies hostage without legal recourse in the US Courts. There are laws and legal procedures. There must be public court warrants issued under rule of law -- that is the law here.

It's called Rule of Law. We don't make up the law as we go to suit the circumstances.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Budapest Memorandum is a diplomatic memorandum, not an official treaty.

Iran's "Brain Trust" should pay heed!

Russia will veto any UN action. Rest assured if the Russians Nuke Ukraine they know there will be nuclear retaliation. It sucks but that is how the game pays out.

And what? Did I say it should go illegal way? Do it legally, but don't make these bullshit public statements on your "sanctions". And please don't tell me it's impossible in the USA. You (the States) are spying the whole world, including your so-called "allies" and you don't announce who, when and how gets spied. Why Obama didn't make a special statement on details of the spying procedure? Maybe how it is effective to the USA and how it "destroyed" Angela Merkel's undies secret? :winkwink:

Too much diplomatic, official crap. So, anything they talked down in Minsk with Downbabve wouldn't have any legal power too?
And if you say Russian would veto everything isn't it a matter of kicking Russia out of UN?

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"The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is a political agreement signed in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons."

Tell me what is written is not what it is.

You need to recall the situation during the dissolution of the USSR. The Kremlin's leaders had deployed nuclear weapons in their vassal-states or "republics". The real intention of that diplomatic effort was to reduce the possibility of nuclear war.

Russia is in a grey area of breach of that agreement. Putin is facilitating the separatist rebels -- aiding and abetting. The USSR transplanted Russians into the territories of the USSR Republics to ensure political and economic control. They are ethnic foreigners. The smart thing for Putin to do (or have done) would have been to offer repatriation (or return ) to the "settlers" back to "Mother Russia". They could have been compensated for their property. Then, there would be some hard feelings but in the end: Peace.

There are no real winners in this conflict it's a no win scenario.



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Mutual defense treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That isn't ...

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Unfortunately, Russians and (US) Americans don't think much of each other. Empires are like that :P

cold war kids

Okay, so I must admit we're fucked then, right?

I'd send Downbabwe dwellers the fuck out but Russia can't take the land, this is the problem.

Really? I thought the trendiest moniker, catchphrase, whatever, for the new century was "blame Canada"

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Do a search of "blame Canada" on this board, and also one on google, before answering. :D

you do not want the americans helping you and making your country in to an even bigger war zone...trust me on this :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


what ever problems you have, you will solve them without the US gov much sooner than with them...after this you would owe them "favours"...its one thing what you see in the news and completely another what they agree on behind closed doors and how much it will cost you later on...

the U$ army is a racketeering operation at its most advanced...they are not in the business of peace...its like a vegetarian butcher :1orglaugh ...they are in the business of making money for the US arms lobby and expanding their influence at your great national expense...

you are better of alone LOL

Who are "we"? Drunk ruskie immigrants in Italy?

Typical Eastern European position - they all blame USA for taking their pride for entering their markets offering fucking home loans under 4% and other fucking services like LTE, cheap cars and low cost airlines. Vata!

Even the birds in Russia blame Obama...

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Traveling: The thing I hate to admit here (but will) is I grew up in New Jersey. Small little town, two traffic lights (count 'em!) and horses and chickens on the farm. LOL But when I turned 18 I high-tailed it OUTTA THERE and moved to New York motherfucking CITY yo!

Then I started traveling the world. Literally went all the way around it, flying from New York to Europe to Asia to Australia to South America then back home to New York. Since then I've traveled to Europe 10 times, Asia 4 times, South America twice and India twice. Know what I discovered over these many years, many miles and many countries?

This: There are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of wonderful places to live, with great weather, wonderful food, awesome people and natural beauty all around you. :)

Unfortunately, Russia, Serbia, Fuckmestan and all the other 3rd world shitholes ain't one of them. Sorry Ivan.

Carry on.

we had free homes and no need for loans...thanks for the insight tho :thumbsup


I never said serbia was a wonderful place, well for me it is because I get cheap pussy and my daily expenses are like 10$ :1orglaugh, I said the USA is a shit place...

oh and see my sig, serbia is definitely a shit hole but still 50 countries ahead of the USA on the global peace index...

so yea...things must be great in the USA...buuble ivory tower LOL

oh and US middle class RIP :GFYBand

Even in Ukraine I had to buy my place for real $$, your parents probably were commies to have that all for free.

Well I wasn't talking specifically to YOU but ok fine. To be honest I have never been to Serbia but the overwhelming impression I get is that Serbia is, indeed, a fucking shithole. :)

Now: have YOU ever been to the US? While there are shitty places here (mostly inner cities) the overwhelming majority of America is beautiful, gorgeous and a MUCH better place to live than, well, Serbia. Come visit and see for yourself! (Pussy is more than $10 here. Tho you get what you pay for. LOL)

accommodation was provided by the state my father got a 2 bedroom flat from the bank just for having 2 kids and it was his first job...during transition of state to private capital one could pay off the apartment for say 100$...my father was never any part of any party, you simply got apartments from the state if you needed them...serbia has a huge % of home owners...and so does the entire region of ex yugoslavia...we were "well off" as in we had almost 0 personal debt and did not struggle in any way...anf everything was free or cheap as shit...

yes it is a shit hole but you guys rank 50 countries below us on the index and we are a war torn shit hole not just a regular shit hole :1orglaugh

and I have been to denver and wyoming I went to yellowstone everybody was very nice and the nature is spectacular, no contest but the rest is nothing special...its not like you live 100 years in the future LOL...

poor little bird

It's fucked up -- I agree.
The only real solution will be a negotiated one.
Both parties have to put their egos in their back pockets and compromise ...

No, that would be Sweden. :drinkup

Those years Soviet Union paid bribes to it's loyal countries by robbing Soviet citizens - we did not live good, we were very poor.

If there was a quick solution, but there is none that would stop it right away. By not backing up Ukraine EU and US shows
their own major vulnerability.

Same here. mine got one too,for free from state after finishing his university. Should I mention that that university was completely free and he became eingeneer for free? He was never member of any party or was related to politics in any way. Beside him ,his mom also got 3 rooms apartment from her bank where she was working. ...good times but unfortunately behind us. Now you have to pay loans and live in stress for years. Just like some people here think it is normal and that is only way how society works. But that is ignorance and stupidity, nothing more. As usually, most stupid people are always loudest.

and another Milošević fan

nevermind the ethnic cleansing, my mom got a free apartment!

beggar, milosevic was only in power for a few years when your dear dear country managed to turn a signed peace deal in to a bloody war...milosevic gave us nothing...he was just the dude who happened to be in power when the USA gave military and financial support to separatists and terrorists (who actually tried to blow up the statue of liberty and hijacked US planes and attacked embassies in the USA LOL)...

no go over pay your under education, over pay your 3rd world ranked health care, go pay a fuckload of money for your bubble house LOL...then go buy a 10.000$ iwatch so that you can conveniently see SMS messages without having to reach for your phone :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

oh its so bad here I actually have no pension plan either LOL shit was so cheap I built a house with 5 apartments out of pure boredom from ytong blocks, it took me 2 years I did everything but the roof...I could retire right now just from being a landlord ts hard to spend 1000$/month down here LOL...my gas bill is 50$ :1orglaugh...its the single largest expense I have :1orglaugh...tax on 5 apartments was 250 euros/year total...

you just dont get it...you pay more for everything but you compete on the same market as I do LOL...

next time you spend 100$ on a dinner with some girl keep in mind: for 100$ I get 5 days sex slavery from a hotter chick than you will meet on the street LOL

beggar :1orglaugh

As I 've said in my last sentence . Ignorant are always loudest. Everything mentioned was long before Milosevic. But you only know about timeline that CNN present you and that is enough for you.

It's maybe sabre rattling or drawing a red line?

Ukraine Crisis: U.S., Bulgaria to Begin NATO Military Drills - NBC News

it's fun to watch the milosevic apologists squirm!

May be you just took a trip in time talking 1995 wise, that was about right back in Ukraine.

Im a handsome guy its always 20$ for me :thumbsup

that's nice of your mom to only charge you that.

its fucked up you keep bragging about that

life is not fair :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The patented

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at it's finest in this thread.

Always a great source of entertaining trolladouchousness. :D

You better remove your sugardaddyforme.com profile before someone posts it here, stud. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Oh how I wish Russians would like us. LOL

wtf do I care LOL I am a patron of slut :1orglaugh dont be jelly :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Well, you know it's not like the American voters had much of a choice when Obama ran the first time.

Have you forgotten already who he ran against?

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