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aka123 03-21-2015 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20424315)
Here is how I would see it playing out. Maybe I'm jaded and cynical, just my opinion.

1. Millions and millions who right now are living paycheck to paycheck and are barely scraping by will spend the money they should pay the IRS so they will find themselves in debt to the IRS.

This is the main reason, and not just because of people who are scraping. If employers wouldn't collect the taxes there would be huge amount of people who would have troubles paying the taxes. The reason can be anything between not having enough money to "I don't care." Even companies are not that good tax payers, yet alone Merican consumers living with credit cards. Not that non-Merican consumers would be that much better, but the less saving culture, the more problems paying taxes.

aka123 03-21-2015 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20424339)
I don't know kane.
I just think that a LOT of people (tens of millions...maybe a couple of hundred million) in the U.S. would view govt. differently if they actually had to write that check each quarter.

I get it. Writing checks? Come on, is this some fucking stone age? Come on gov. :)

kane 03-21-2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20424792)
That's kind of a weird thing to say that really has nothing to do with the subject.
Bringing up a third world country and saying that the ONLY way to have lower taxes is to live like that is ludicrous at best.

How about this: The U.S. govt. stops using our military to try and run the world and go back to using it for DEFENSE.
In the past it was always a choice: "guns or butter". Meaning if we went to war (the guns) we had to give up spending money on social and infrastructure (the butter).
Then when the war was over...the military was pared back down and social spending began again.

Now? The U.S. govt. keeps us perpetually at "war". And we must have trillions of dollars of nuclear weapons, giant aircraft carriers, thousands of tanks (which many are sitting in the California desert rusting out never to be used), expensive new jet fighters....all to fight the boogeyman.
Right now the boogeyman is a few thousand goat herders in the middle east.
30 years ago the boogeyman was the Soviets. (we now know that they were nowhere near us in military ability and that our "intelligence" was wrong)

No...we don't NEED to pay this much in taxes to have a successful vibrant and safe country.
Right now the U.S. govt. spends more than the next TEN countries defense budgets:
U.S. Military Spending Dwarfs Rest of World - NBC News

So no...I don't need to move to Somalia to have less govt. burden and more freedom.
I just need to see the U.S.A. become what the founding fathers envisioned it to be. And not this monstrous govt. that is nothing more than an endless stream of money for crooks in politics.

Agreed 100%. There was a time when if this country was involved in a war the people were asked to bare some of burden. There might be shortages on some kinds of food, they might discontinue some things in order to make others. There was at least some level of discomfort put upon the people an that kept them in the game. Not to mention the draft so you also likely knew people in the game. Now we ask the same people to do tour after tour and we just increase the deficit to pay for the wars and the leadership does everything they can to make certain the average person's life isn't affected in any way that way it won't take long before the war is out of sight, out of mind.

We could cut out military in half and still have the biggest military in the world by far.


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