Putin is smart. Obama is dumb. Putin is strong. Obama is weak. Putin is playing multiple chess matches with his eyes blindfolded, Obama is playing checkers. The second Obama has a lot on his plate (scandal, terrorist attack etc), Putin will grab more land to get his land bridge to Crimea and the world will say "hey man, stop that" as he replies "stop what? i don't know what you are talking about" and that will basically be the end of it because we live in a world run by pacifist pussies who think lunatics will simply go away if you give them hugs and poetry.

No matter what BS you quote, it will never excuse Russia denying help from other countries to save the trapped Kursk crew members and ultimately, letting them die as they beat out morse code on the hull for days and days and days.

Russia denying? Maybe it was Putin? Don't confuse Putin with Russia. I also can't forgive the mother fucker for that, but to be honest... there were no "days and days". The crew has died much faster because of fire on the board.

Where have you been the last 15 years? Putin owns Russia along with his rich cronies.. There i no replacing your king.. Putin is to Russia what Castro was to Cuba or lil kim jon ill is to North Korea. He is your beloved dictator. His exit from Russian leadership will come only by his death or mass revolution.

Torpedo hole in my ass, and no.. this isn't some gay metaphor.

Think about it. Torpedo doesn't punch through sub's hull. And if it explodes as it is designed to do, there is no round hole, there is explosion hole. Dud torpedoes bounce of from ship's or sub's hull, there is plenty of evidence from that, those don't make round holes. Either the torpedoes explode on the contact or nada.

I don't know what seamole's hole is that, but it isn't impact hole from torpedo. Maybe it is a hole made to lift the sub up from the bottom, I don't know.

Added to this, if for instance the US had some special torpedo which penetrated the ship before exploding.. Why is none of the interior framework damaged from a blast in that area? If you notice there is zero damage inside the hull from an explosion which could of originated at that hole..

It's most likely some sort of hatch hole or a hole made for lifting the sub out of the water.

When they first started showing that hole back when the kursk was first raised calling it a torpedo hole, I literately laughed my ass off, because it was so absurd.

Hell modern day anti surface ship torpedoes don't even make contact with the ship's hull.. They are designed to blow up underneath the ship in order to break the ship in half from the water pressure. I'd suspect anti sub torpedoes would work the same and never actually hit the hull.

we definitely need Vendzilla here

I think his special Hillary campaign finance handlers have told him no more GFY politics.. :1orglaugh

This ship thing was the case already in WWII and probably in WWI too. It was magnetic detonation under the hull. However the case is different regarding subs as much smaller damage is enough to destroy the sub and the water pressure is much higher down the deep where the subs are. Though there might be magnetic detonation to increase the chance of hit. Or maybe you are right, I don't know, but there is not that much need for it regarding subs. Very succesful anti-sub weapons in WWII were direct contact hedgehogs (hit the top part of the sub).

Makes sense.

It does. RTFM.

Torpedoes work with propulsion, those don't punch through sub's hull that is designed to take quite extreme pressures. If nothing else, the resistance of water makes it quite hard to reach sufficient velocities to punch through something hard, even if shot. Watch some series of Myth Buster where they shoot objects in water. Those bullets don't reach very far.

I don't know about the US torpedos, but Russian "Shkval" with a weigh of 2,7 tons and a speed of 370 km/h (I bet your car can't move such fast), penetrates through any submarine or ship even if it's not detonated. That's why they call it an aircraft carrier killer.





P.S. As an offtopic one more toy which can be used to attack anything from below the water and above - a flaying torpedo which can be equipped with a tactical nuke warhead (no analogues in NATO):

Maybe, but with velocities that low it sure as hell won't make round hole. Still, I am not convinced that it would penetrate sub's hull or might not even ship's. Of course depending about ship, as for example ships for ice conditions are naturally much more hardy. Ice doesn't move that fast, but the pressure is much more.

For comparison: WWII torpedoes like G7a moving 74 km/h and weighting 1,5 tonnes, did just bounce of from ship's hull if not detonated.

370 km/h is low??? What are you talking about? It's almost a bullet. A bullet with a weight of 2.7 tons. All experts say it don't even need to detonate (watch the French video at 00:40) and only you say it will bounce. It's a simple physics. Where did you get your education, man?

Now please tell me your version about the penetrating hole in the "Kursk". Everybody can see the damage came from inside (note the dent form).

Even shotgun shots travel about 1300 km/h and bullets about 4300 km/h. You still think it is like bullet?

I already told "my version". I don't know what it is, but might be hole used to lift that sub up. Or maybe some service hole hatch blown away.

I don't speak nor French or Russia. Nor I didn't study physics, I studied business. But sure, throw us some calculations with your great Russian physics education.

You can hear English on the background. Also there is Google translate. Have you heard about that service?

Pff, every kid (the 7th grade of mandatory school here) knows this simple formula: p = m * v (have you get knowledge in some Afghan a cave?) So in case of "Shkval", it will be 370 * 2700 = 999000 kg*km/h (277500 kg*m/s). This impulse will penetrate anything like a paper from side to side. No warhead needed.

P.S. So what's your version regarding that penetration hole on images banned in Russian federal media?

Yeah, you keep offering that google translate, but it works best for written text. I have no intent to try to write there something I hear from some video. And when I offered you the same service, you just spitted on it. It seems to work just the way that I should translate Russia.

About the version; I have told it twice now. Google translate it if you can't understand it.

Yes, I was teached by Bin Laden. Now you know it.

1 110 000 kg*m/h (WWII equivalent) didn't punch through things like paper (didn't at all). What you have there is ten times that, but it still puts some doubt to the end results you present.

Ok, now I see that :winkwink: Man, once again, 277500 kg*m/s is more than enough to go trough anything.

Seems like Osama Bin Laden was your physics teacher. Because you don't understand how rockets that use cavitation sphere (ok, call them torpedos) work. It's not a bullet which will stuck in water. It's a missile which uses water to get speed comparable to Boeing 747 on a march (up to 500 km/h). When I was talking about speed of a bullet, I mean its sped in air but not in water. I thought it's obvious. Please read something about "Shkval" torpedos in the Internet, because you are absolutely clueless.

An another offtopic. AK-47 can shoot even underwater (not just to it like clowns from the stupid show did in a video above). Watch this:

You think that was funny? Keep your aircrafts out of yo' skyscrapers and Pentagon first. Should I also add "LOL" here, idiot? Some people are so fuckin' stupid and disgusting :disgust