WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in a new book "WikiLeaks Files" states that the US planned to overthrow the government of Syria long before the start of the rebellion in 2011.


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True. However, had Bush just fucked off and left Saddam be we would not have IS today now would we?

you have no idea if that's right or wrong. based on arabs slaughterings over 1000s and 1000s of years, i'd conclude it wouldn't matter, they're still going to figure out a way to slaughter each other.

but i get that people like to believe USA is omnipotent, we're responsible for everything. well, everything bad that is. where ever it is it's because of US. i get that.

in that particular case - it would be better to keep Saddam, Gaddafi(France,Italy) and Assad...at least their countries were functioning properly, were not ruined, had everything that their citizens would need (healthcare, safety, roads, infrastructure, education and so on - for the price of freedom) and actually people were living normal life over there - for the price of their so called "democratic' freedoms.
now you have "democracy" in Libya and Iraq and you see and now know how "democracy" looks for Arabs. some people are just not good for that type of government. your government didnt know that? oh come on.
unfortunately this is how your foreign policy looks for the others since ~50 years - "grab what is valuable, leave mess and shit and go away to safe haven at the other side of Atlantic"

people everywhere slaughter each other. they have been doing, are doing that and will do that.
heads up: 70 years ago ended the bloodiest war in human history and it was made by white people from Europe !
so why you talk about Arabs slaughtering each other, if in reality - invasion of Iraq led to how many death ? hundreds of thousands ? why do you care about Arabs slaughtering each other ?
I'm not saying that its ALL US fault. but many things are - the real question is: is it done by stupidity or planned ?

I'm not blaming the USA for everything. Without the U.S. The world would be fucked. However, taking out Saddam was 100% the wrong move and you know it.

As mentioned before, biggest world superpower is everything but stupid. Look the world image now: Russia under sanctions, Europe loosing money because of irrelevant issue like Ukraine (although germans figured out who is ruining their interests , Middle East in flames, US controlling oil, Europe filled with terrorists and muslims that won't integrate into society. Should I mention ruined plans for pipelines in Europe ,so pathetic and poor Balkan countries will be left without any benefit.

That is result of huge geopolitical power and planing.

no, i haven't made the assumption that taking out saddam created isis and no sort of isis would have emerged otherwise.

Wow! Look at you talking about relevance! I'm so impressed!

So you say, "I'm not a Jew"

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You say this:

As simple as you may think my question was, it was legitimate and didn't warrant you coming at me in full-on cunt mode. I'll head off to my day job now. Thanks for the lulz

syria was functioning properly? with everything the citizens need. please. that's why citizens revolt eh, because their needs are being met.

so America is to blame, and according to you it's because arabs are too medieval for democracy.

wait, japanese are white people from europe? got it.

if you can't get that arabs slaughtering each other for 3000 years has nothing to do with a country on the other side of the planet that's 250 years old, then you won't get any explanation.

Libyan leader Muamar Gaddafi?s gloom prophecy made several months before his violent death.

"Now listen you, people of NATO. You?re bombing a wall which stood in the way of African migration to Europe, and in the way of Al-Qaeda terrorists. This wall was Libya. You?re breaking it. You?re idiots, and you will burn in Hell for thousands of migrants from Africa and for supporting Al-Qaeda. It will be so. I never lie. And I do not lie now," said Gaddafi in an open letter obtained by the Russian daily Zavtra and published in May 2011 several months before the Lybian leader was killed.

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At least the EU will start bombing Syria also. Maybe together with the Russians we can build a new wall :)

But a lot of regugees are not coming directly from Syria. A lot already live for years in Turkey. But it is better in the .EU. I think it is better to support those countries also. Or just put more pressure on the Arabic oil states, they will sent more money, as long as the refugees don't come to their country.

Why would arabs want to live in white western countries?
I thought they hated the West and our values.
But now they want to move here and live amongst us?

Free speak being already killed in Poland in the same of polital correctness.

Two protests planned. One anti immigration, one pro immigration. The major of Warsaw just canceled the anti immigration one's permit... The pro immigration one allowed to go on.

I heard the destination is Sweden. Why Sweden?

once again - it is like arguing with deaf idiot.
you will faster get deaf and idiot just like him, than he will understand and get your points
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it is the same pathetic agenda like during the Ukraine Maidan and later conflicts there.
the funniest thing is: these guys who are so pro-maidan, pro-ukrainian and pro-refugee - they probably truly believe in it.
ideal brainwashed guys located in few media outlets in Warsaw :-)

I would gladly take 20 ukrainians for every 1 african... some shit went down between poland and ukraine almost 100 years ago, but better them then a culture that wants to live in the 7th century.

Blonde bitches...

recent photo of a hungarian refugee camp:

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They want to take over our lands by out-breeding us and out-populating us. They will just change things to the way they want them. And they are going to succeed.


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Sure if they don't close their friggen borders or cap it at a reasonable # per country and I'm not talking about 500k/annual (cough Germany) :Oh crap
Plus they are only half ass screening the refugees/migrants at this time <sigh> what a disaster this is going to be for Europe.

heads-up dumbfuck, you're the one trying to get me to agree with you that ww2 trumps 3000 years of arabs killing each other, therefore America is responsible for Syria.

that's about as fucking brainiac as a 3rd grader could come up with.

regardless. i couldn't give 1 single fucking shit if you think that, you are free to blame America to wtfever degree your fucking pipsqueak brain dreams up.

perhaps amongst society's bottom it passes for legitimate. I just can't dumb myself down enough to agree.
glad you have a job with that low intellect. thanks for the lulz

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The USA just hammered the strong-men dictators that kept the tribes in line.
If ISIS prevails they will become an apparent target and 4 million will be evaporated </issue>

Maybe a few billion more -- will you be one of them?

what????

This must be your roguish charm people keep telling me about. You're such a big softie!

there are two alternatives to end this issue

1. Nuke them
2. Pay for a wall and 600,000 soldiers to contain them.

Military action followed by "Nation Building" is total bullshit -- a politically correct name for neo-colonialism. This has failed time after time -- that's a proven fact. Where this is said to have succeeded is bullshit too -- the peoples in conflict are still in simmering conflict. Look at Europe for example. They are all screaming at each other like fighting children -- at least the Europeans are not shooting at each other as this is an external threat. Marshall Plan 'Nation Building" after WW2. But it took a WW2 with 20 million dead and 60 million displaced people and refugees.

Korea = failure
Vietnam = failure
Iraq = failure
Afghanistan = outcome unknown but it looks like a future failure

Puffing words and smoke will not accomplish jack-shit.

Like you say 3,000 years of conflict ... ( I think 2,700 years is closer but that is splitting hairs).

Well it is a fact that the iraq war turned that whole region into one big clusterfuck, a war the people got suckered into 'accepting' because of lies.

Saddam had control, but was a threat to the USD because he wanted to start trading oil in Euros instead of dollars. So he had to go, and his oil fields went to US corporations.

Khadaffi had control, but he was very close to creating a currency with other african nations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_gold_dinar#Libya
"coincidentally" all of a sudden the US thought it was time to get rid of him.

Then Syria:
The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : The Real Reason for US Syria Attack
"The US and allies ignited the anti-Assad uprising two years ago, using the underground Syrian Muslim Brotherhood and imported jihadis." - 2013

So ofcourse the refugee problems' roots are there. If the west would just stay out of there, keep doing business with Saddam, and let the radical muslims keep fucking up their own countries, we wouldn't have these waves of immigrants right now.

Reason all of this did happen?
MONEY, what else is new.

South Korea begs to differ.

Iraq and Afghanistan are a failure because of islamists and foreign agitators - ISIS and Al Qaeda are full of so many foreign fighters that they could almost be classified an invading army.

Islamism is the cause of 99.9% of all current problems in the Middle East.


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Yeah right ...
Then load your guns ... got any?

this isn't going to go down in the middle east. it's going down in europe.

What does the nut-bar leader of failed North Korea have to do with successful and prosperous South Korea? The UN fought to protect South Korea from North Korea which was being aided by China and Russia. The UN succeeded. Where is the failure in that?


Why? Is ISIS ready to invade Canada?


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Yeah, the Americas are safe for now -- it's a long swim.

No, I meant all the gun-control Europeans that are sitting ducks for the "Muslim Invaders" that they cannot contend with. And I am spending 2 weeks in Paris the end of the month ...

You may want to see if these guys are available for your entourage: New hero identified; France honors Americans, Briton - CNN.com

Ya, the Americas are safe until a bunch of pantywaist politicians start letting them in by the boatload.

French response will be to wave the white flag and surrender - everyone will convert to Islam rather than resist the death of their culture. :(


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Not sure. Probably because same climate as in Sirya

Ditto.

This may be the last year where going to the EU shows is fun and not a nightmare.

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During WWII there was a combination resembling these options: camps + gassing.

2 weeks in paris will completely change your outlook on this. You will see it's an invasion and nothing less...

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Of course it would be better. The despots are the only people who can strike enough fear and strike enough, to keep a semblance of order. Without them the Armies become fragmented, the internal tribal hostilities worsen and more frightening is countries like Iran have no one to fear.

This is a region split by religious ideologies, sub sects of religions, powerful tribes and men looking for power. Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc. Would be far richer if they dropped the things that separate them and sold oil and produce to the West. With a better system of trickle down.

Poverty breeds revolution, without Islam they would be Communists.

Hitler harnessed the power of fear and hate. To manipulate the poor to support him and the rich to finance him. See the similarities?

N. America = Huge success.
B. Empire = Huge success.
And there has been lots of other huge successes with colonisation.

The problems today are the countries prepared to fund "freedom fighters" or "terrorists". The media and the liberal attitudes of the people back home.

Wars in the Middle East go back to the first Empires, so over 4,000 years ago. No one builds an Empire by being nice. So the only thing limiting big wars, are population numbers.

You proved to be stupid as i pointed out.... Now show me your iq score... and let's compare it to mine.... you average idiot...

Sorry, but that's just bullshit...

Okay, two things: European countries have armies. Armies are the ones those deal with big conflicts, not some wannabe cowboys, not even in US.

Secondly, European civilians have guns, just not everybody.