Me neither, but I been in a few discussions with outsider (none friends), when i mention the topic and how I feel they pretty much just walks away. Almost like I got ebola for the rest of the day and everyone is trying to escape. Funny.

That's a reasonable and logical law, I would like to see enforced in europe. Primitive behavior are not welcome here, but if this continues we better get primitive ourself or we are doomed thanks to retarded politicians and media.

It's not just Syrian migrants either... The migrants are from all over Africa as well.

We're a thousand years behind these people too:
LiveLeak.com - Supspected witches burnt alive in africa(full video)

Yes the after effects of Empire are what you see. My Cousins in California have to be able to speak Spanish in order to communicate with a lot of people.

NHS is what we in Europe pay to run the NHS, benefits for invalids, pensions etc, it's around half what Americans pay for health insurance.

1 United States $8,508 per capita 17.7% of GDP
15 United Kingdom $3,405 per capita 9.4% of GDP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o... )_per_capita

The people in favour are mostly those middle class liberals living in areas that won't be over run with migrants who can't afford a house costing $500,000 and up, where the council won't be able to purchase houses to give to migrants. They will enjoy meting the migrants who run restaurants, delis and work in the those places.

Or bosses employing low skilled workers, property owners renting, and the public sector who will have larger problems due to migration.

Europe will swing massively Right Wing in the next elections.

In reply to Mutt, that's how it works in the countries they're leaving and the reasons many are leaving. The EU has problems deporting convicted criminals after finishing their prison sentence.

Yap totally agree :Oh crap

Hopefully, you are right.

No doubt about it.

This is what $900,000 buys you in North London. Enfield is at best a nice upper working class area, my uncle a lorry driver used to live there in a similar house.

This is on the other side of London. Again upper working class.

The pressure on Health services, education, transport, public services like road repairs, bin collections and paying for them. Has become a monster problem which is growing as the population grows.

The UK cannot cope with the present growth of the British population, too many young and too many living longer, in fact for the first 16 years and last 16 maybe. People are mostly a drain on the rest. 32 years of an average life span of 80.

The belief that the number of people increases wealth, is from the 60s. Since then it's been about a few who can produce a huge amount of wealth. Manual labour is exported or replaced with machines.

So importing more will have a huge effect on the people already there and unlike some Third World Countries that have huge numbers of legitimate refugees. The British won't stand for their standard of living dropping and cultural surrounding changing, neither will most Europeans. They will look to the Right for answers, because the middle and left are telling them they have to take more more migrants and put up with it.

more than US probably that is responsible for this mess:winkwink::winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:

Relax... no conspiracy here...

Ever heard of Nato and Allied Joint Force Command?

The conspiracy comment was humor. The comment that USA military in Europe will be appreciated is fact.

Nah... by that time US won't have a budget for that anymore...
Europe can take care of themselves... It's assimilation or annihilation...
No matter were all these dindus are coming from they will all go out through the same chimney....

Happened before and will happen again... It will look something like this:




But thanks anyway...

This problem will soon manifest itself in the USA too when these people get their way:

Socialists/marxists/communists, anarchists, anti-Americans rally in NYC for the dismantling and destruction of the USA

http://i.imgur.com/af32mEG.jpg


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relying on music videos on youtube isn't reliable.

“Europe’s decision to abdicate on defense spending increasingly means it can’t take care of itself...”


"Increasingly, without United States assistance, military experts said, Europe’s armed forces have trouble carrying out basic operations as its dwindling financial and political commitment has derailed multiple initiatives intended to make the continent more self-reliant.

The United States finances nearly three-quarters of NATO’s military spending, up from 63 percent in 2001. And yet among the alliance’s 28 nations, experts note, only the United States, Britain and Greece are meeting NATO’s own spending guidelines of 2 percent of gross domestic product. Even Britain and France — the two leading European nations willing to project military might — are slipping further. France says that by 2014 it may cut deeper still — to just 1.3 percent of G.D.P., down from 1.9 percent this year. By comparison, the United States spent 4.8 percent of its G.D.P. on the military in 2011."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/wo...tiny.html?_r=0

haha just wanted to post this ( Flüchtlinge: Thomas de Maizière verkündet Grenzkontrollen - SPIEGEL ONLINE ).. didnt take long lol

Greece?!?!

I have said for a long time, and your article above further explored it, that our allies are more free to spend on social programs because we foot the bill on the military programs. People may like to think that they don't need military backing, but if that backing is gone, it's going to be a pretty scary outlook. Does not matter how peaceful your foreign policies are.

I read that article you posted yesterday about the guy running for PM in Britain. One of his keystones was nuclear disarmament. It's only lip service, but something like that would have an impact on our commitments as well.

And the logistics begins to take hold.

Reality is, it was most likely just a huge political play and they knew what they were doing the whole time. Either that, or they made a really stupid decision.

To come out with the statement "there is no limit to the numbers we will allow" was always gonna be a disaster. So whether they meant it or not, it was beyond idiotic...

I live in Austin Texas and we have a housing issue. Rents are growing like crazy. We have a few hundred people moving to the city every day. Several hundred daily is quite a bit, it's been a huge impact on the city here. New buildings are going up all over the place. Traffic is a nightmare. Homelessness is an issue. There is no parking.

It begs the question, what are thousands of migrants/refugees going to do to the local housing situations once they start getting stipends? Who is going to pay for all of the new buildings? Are the rents for the locals going to increase because of it? Are the prices of food and daily necessities going to increase? Taxes of course will increase because the new infrastructure will need to be paid for and public services will be more expensive due to more people that have higher needs.

These are all things that nobody is talking about. In two years when the bills start hitting hard and everyone is freaking out because they can't pay their rent, what then?

^^^^^ :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That about sums it up.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-QX8LuKHA



I actually watched 41 minutes of this. If any minority group pulled this sort of shit in America we would just shoot them dead in the streets -- this is a given in the violent USA. But we don't have these sorts of problems as people understand they will get capped (shot) if they act like violent zealots. These are crimes and you do nothing. There is no Muslim or other religious zone in the USA. Then again, we are taught not to taunt or harass others as you might get your head cracked with a baseball bat or shot dead.

You (Europeans) have created your own problems. Execute or deport the troublemakers. If you have to deport 40% of the immigrants you let in -- just who created the problem?

You need to loosen up your gun laws, and after the shootings start, people will learn some respect for each other :2 cents:

I would put under it "Pang Pang Pang".

A left wing politician in Holland was laughing cause our army didn't have ammo anymore to practise.... So they had to yell 'pang pang' during practices... With such politicians you must win a war.... In the mean time sending our 'troops' on peace missions with shitty equipment. They will never learn, till the terrorist are rolling in just like the germans did 60 years ago.

In the mean time in Holland there is a 10 year old discussion about buying the JFK fighter or not. Offcourse a lot of politicans don't want it, taking about it already cost more than just buying some. Our Healthcare is costing in 2 weeks more than buying thiose fighters. But it is so easy, saying we don't need them so we can save a few bucks.

You just described exactly what I mentioned above. Wow. As I read this, all I could think of was:
http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/PewPewPew-77043.jpg

Barry touched on a few interesting points above about the United States. I'm from the north. Guns are common, everyone in the country has them, a lot of city people do too because they enjoy hunting or they grew up with them. Gun violence is not that common and the common reaction to problems is not "go get your gun."

Now I live in the South. Guns are just as common, but a totally different mentality. Problem? "Go get your gun." I realize that this scares some people and non-Americans think we are fucking insane, doesn't bother me one bit. Don't cause problems, get along with your neighbors, everyone is happy.

Interestin' to see the guy in the white shirt throw a kick at the woman at 0:25 secs.

I'd love the opportunity to tune him up awhile.

If you watch the whole video the US have also had similar problems in Michigan and they were not shot dead on the streets. Infact Christians were chased and had urine and bottles thrown at them by muslims and this is in the US. It also happend in Australia as well. The whole western world needs to wake up to what is happening not just Europe From the news over the last few days the US are going to accept 10k refuges as well.

I live in Michigan, that happened where and why? Honestly, I don't recall it.

This event? Here is an interesting rebuttal...
There are 200K persons of Arab heritage in the Detroit area. Many are 2nd and 3rd generation American born. Maybe 60K? recent immigrants in the last 30 years? Generally, we live together peacefully here with some respect toward one another. There are always some exceptions across the board. The is no shortage of assholes :2 cents:

There have been a few terrorism incidents with a few people arrested, the shoe bomber at Detroit Metro Airport ... But then the Boston Bombers were Chechen refugees an not from the ME.

I am just going by what obviously is in a slanted biased Youtube video but it correlates somewhat with other more reliable reports I read in some places. That Brit in the car arguing with the 'Muslim" in white that is assaulted in his car -- you do that around here there is a 10% chance the driver will put a bullet or two in you, 15% chance he will stop the car and come at you with a makeshift weapon -- tire iron, lead pipe or baseball bat. 1:4 chance that if you are not armed or a serious badass you will be face down kissing the pavement. We have road rage incidents with a shootout following. I keep a steel pipe in my trunk within reach when I am loading groceries. Legal -- it's a long jack handle in my trunk (boot).

As far as the video of the topless feminists harassing and taunting a Muslim Imam: This was an instigation and stupid. Instigating a protest in a Mosque, Church or Synagogue apart from being stupid is an unnecessary provocation -- those women are lucky they were not more seriously beaten down.

Refugee crisis: Britain set for crunch EU talks as Germany brings in border controls | World news | The Guardian

The real world is starting to bite the liberals in the ass.

Didn't take long did it...

Must watch - video clip from Paul Watson

Thousands protest against Hungarian governmentâ??s stance on refugee crisis - Europe - World - The Independent

Thousands have taken to the streets of the Hungarian capital to demonstrate against Prime Minister Viktor Orbán. Mr Orbán faces criticism after announcing that he will reduce the number of refugees entering the country to zero from Tuesday.

Some have even suggested the treatment of refugees by Hungarian authorities is similar to Nazi Germany.

Thousands of Hungarians took to the streets of Budapest to show world that the government's stance is not shared by Hungarian people.

I bet you that protest would be 20x larger if it was for anti-immigration, like it was here...

Hey Ms Merkel, what was that?

160,000? LOL. My ass. The waterfall has been turned on. Take cover.

Exactly why I always thought the EU was odd. Different countries with different cultures and different economies forcing other countries to do what they say.

You failed to see that i used the video to illustrate what happend and will happen again if these cave-dindos won't assimilate....

Based on what current military threat from what exact country Europe needs to increase their military budget? Against what threat the US is protecting Europe right now?
We don't need to be self reliant as the whole point of NATO is to rely on eachother...

But you are mixing things up.... We are talking about the possible threat of cave-goats and their cave-culture for Europe.... This will have nothing to do with military threats and countries' military-budgets... but everything with the will and courage to make a cultural cleaning in a possible (if) future internal European affair...

How many Islands in the EU Mediterranean would be suitable for sheltering these refugees -- send them there, under humane conditions, and let them sit the conflict out there.

The UN can take care of them.

Problem solved.

You don't have to accept them and if they know that an island refugee camp will be their destination maybe they will stop coming.

They won't take your jobs, they won't dilute your society, they won't rape your women.

Instead, they'll declare the island a caliphate and declare war on greece or italy for independance.

i didn't fail anything, i provided links proving Euros can't even complete basic military practice with what little military they have while you're linking rammstein music videos.


feel free to deny reality and think that cave-culture people invading europe are harmless and won't be a threat. and yeah right, cultural cleansing, will and courage will save euro from the migrant invasion. btw, germany just closed its border. so much for that will and courage.

A couple of words forming an opinion on the interwebs... good fun with it...

Euros participated in the wars in Iraq; Afganistan; participated in military action in Syria, bombing IS; etc... and you provide some links about euros can't even complete basic military pratice:1orglaugh You are clueless... The Netherlands just bought 37 Joint Strike Fighters which will be deployed to bomb a lot of shitholes in the near future, not without the appreciation of the USA btw, and ALL in the context of NATO.

All that blabla about American army and American wars... You guys are not as independentely and sole-operating as you might think. Iraq war for example was a war initiated by USA AND UK and had a large coalition: Coalition of the Willing, which all participated.

We are all in this NATO thing together... The fact that US contributes more of it's gdp to Nato then any other country... well... that's for taking the leading role... If you want to have a big mouth on the world stage... that comes with a pricetag... face it and accept it...
stop whinning and do your fucking job. period.

Can you read? Or do you just fail to interpret? Where did i say the invading cave-goats are not a threat to Europe? They are but military budget is useless as it will not be a traditional war between countries. When i refer to will and courage, i'm not referring to pussy-bombing with drones from safe distance, but i'm referring to hands that will be needed to put cave-goats in trains to the camps and then.... well... you know... i think you saw the rammstein-video... you just failed to interpret it...

Here... some more of your "Euros can't even complete basic military practice" illussions...

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/neth...te-into-syria/

...and threats will appear, and the people will be put into the fear, and the guns will roll, and some will make good money, and new opressive government will emerge.....
all goes great, according to the plan:thumbsup:thumbsup:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::winkwink:

maybe they will invent time machine , go back to 2003 and 2011 and put Saddam, Kaddafi back to power and stop supporting Anti-Assad oppositon? much easier solution.
oh no. they will bomb all again. firstly they created Al-Quaida, now its ISIS..its like curing the illness with antibiotics... every time, new stronger bacteria is created, more resistant and damaging....

Heads-up, that wasn't my view, that was from one of the articles I cited. Look, we get it. Europe has the migrant invasion fully under control and all migrants are thoroughly vetted and there are no terrorists amongst them and America bad.

Either way, my comment still stands. Euros will be thanking the USA for our providing military services. Hopefully later rather than sooner. But the invasion is happening and Europe is being overrun and overwhelmed with radicals.

But hey, America bad. That's fine.

And anyone who thinks America created al qaida and isis shouldn't even be in this thread.

i'll drop some knowledge on the ruskies here that like to blame America for al qaida-

"Al-Qaeda was created in 1989 as Soviet forces withdrew from Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden and his colleagues began looking for new jihads.

The organisation grew out of the network of Arab volunteers who had gone to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight under the banner of Islam against Soviet Communism."


ruskies have yourselves to blame for al qaida.


BBC NEWS | Middle East | Al-Qaeda's origins and links

If certain groups will radicalize more, belief me, there will be a huge swift in public opinion really fast and civilization will proof to be a thin layer of chromium. Does any one really belief that euros let cave-goats force their daughters to wear burka's? Maybe Euros will be thanking USA for providing military services... who knows... just like USA thanking Euros for their military services and participations. The North Atlantic Treaty is a military treaty that regulates mutual defense and cooperation between the armies of Western countries. Members are required to help each other...

Why "America bad"? You didn't hear me say that America is the cause of this...

look, we get a lot of flack for having bases over there, i'm in the camp that prefers we didn't. by our having bases in euro that allowed euros to cut their own military. so much in fact, that according to some accounts, not being able to run basic military actions. that said, it looks to me and to others that the barbarian hoards coming to euro are not going to be well received, not going to accept western culture and try to inculcate islam into their new area, and also have amongst them, terrorists looking to harm the West, at that point, euros will be grateful for that American military presence.

you're the gfyer calling America(ns) pussies, etc, blah blah while you were hi-fivin the other guy for USA creating al qaida and isis, based on that, and other comments you've made here makes it clear to me you are not friendly towards the USA.

To many black negros come to Germany now. Need to deport back.

Then send the Dutch, French and UK armies, along with any other nation's military forces that volunteer, in on the ground and defeat ISIS your way. Another "committee action" ...

It's your continent of Europe being invaded -- rise and confront the threat. The USA can just walk away and let Europe handle the matter.

The Russians and Iranians may just beat you to it ...