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"Ganz ausgenommen von den 359 Euro sind Kosten für Unterkunft, Heizung und Hausrat. Diese werden gesondert erbracht - wahlweise als Geld- oder Sachleistung." So €359 per each adult refugee (presumably tax free) + allowances for housing, heating and household appliances. I'd imagine there are some additional amounts given for children's needs as well, but that article doesn't seem to cover it. Compared to Poland, that 359 euro is roughly 1500 PLN which is above our minimum wage and roughly what a cashier at a grocery store cashier makes working 40-50 hours a week, and they have to pay for their own housing. That being said, I do agree with you that Germany and the German people would treat them better. As far as public opinion goes, whereas Germans might be 50/50 for taking them, The polish population is about 90/10 or more against taking them. |
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Our media has told that most arriving refugees are men because the others can't stand the long and hard journey. You know; family escapes to Turkey for example, and then their able bodied men leaves to Europe after better life. At least we are told that most/ big part of refugees are actually women and kids, they just don't come to Europe. But anyways, the end result is that they have already escaped the war when they start their journey to Europe. The easy solution to still taking refugees would be following: If you are escaping something, then is the thing you escape at in the country you come from? Like if you cross border, is the country on the side you are coming from the country where are the things you escape for. If not, then there is no need/ valid reason to cross border. AKA we would take refugees pretty much only from neighboring countries. It is easy to return back and the refugees are more close culturally, etc. than the citizens of that country. So, easier for everyone. Familiar, fun and easy to return. |
I am glad to see how maturely the EU is dealing with this issue :upsidedow
I will be in Paris and a few days in Nice late this month for two weeks -- I guess I will see for myself. Hopefully, no one will wash up on shore (dead?). Two days ago the Eurostar train was "attacked" near Calais by immigrants climbing on the train cars' roofs trying to cross into the the UK -- illegally. Apart from endangering themselves and the passengers of the train it does show both the desperation of the immigrants and also their lawlessness. Last year I was in London and in Paris -- I saw for myself Europe's immigrant situation and "problem." North Africa is an EU problem and Libya is a NATO problem. Syria is both a pan-Arabia and a USA problem -- NATO has only played a minor role. We can invest trillions in these wars, stress out our own economies and destroy the economies of the nations we war with yet we are not responsible for the damage we cause to civilians in these countries we war with? |
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If Americans want to enjoy traveling through europe, they need to do it within the next 10 years. |
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This is like the myth of Hercules and the Hydra. Eventually, Hercules did kill the Hydra. Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya were just a few heads :2 cents: There may be no real winner only armistice I am afraid ... |
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but i cannot repeat myself often enough that i would prefer that we would help Turkey, Lebanon etc to accommodate the Syrians right there |
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I just wish people would stop posting disgusting 'war porn' in an otherwise intelligent debate. Most people do not want to see such horrific images. |
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fill us all in, what does Columbus have to do with Columbo? |
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The picture post of Madalton is exactly the way the media does its propaganda and brainwashing. Throw in some shocking images and completely blow everything out of proportions, a cheap tactic. Ignoring the true facts of immigration in europe: A failed, broken system filling up every country with foreign criminals and a culture that hates women, free speech and everything our civilization stands for. |
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Not that I can blame them. Why not go another 500 miles and get better benefits? From their perspective, it makes sense. From the receiving end perspective, it doesn't. And for someone speaking up against this getting labeled as an evil is beyond bizarre. Everyone has to look out for what is in their best interest. Sometimes that means the other guy gets a shitty deal. Reality is not rainbows and unicorns. |
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madalton likes to do drive-by's, so i'm joining in. either way, Columbus's Italian name Columbo still translates to Columbo in Spanish. |
After further reading, I see that Hungarian politicians should not be trusted!
Imagine that, Europeans and Americans have a common hatred! ;-) |
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These people come from violent cultures, violent religions have already proven not to integrate well into western society. Are unwilling to integrate. But yet people still somehow want them to be allowed to migrate? It's absolutely unreal and crazy to think this way.
A few sad photos does not explain the real situation. These people will have children who grow up. Feeling pushed outside of society because they do not integrate. Who will be angry and want revenge against the host countries. We are already seeing it. The western thinking countries should be taking 0 risk with people from these zones. It will be our own demise. Anyone who cannot see this is simply blind. Not to mention the fact that arabs on average have more children per family. What happens 10 years, 20 years, 30 years+ from now when the local population is decreasing per capita and immigrant population that in time will be greater in numbers starts voting ? These people DO NOT want to become western. They want to take from the western society. |
I always thought it was funny that the currency in Costa Rica was called the colón.
Pronunciation is a little off, but still funny! |
You can't fix what's broken - the Middle East lives in 1015 not 2015, none of them want democracy/pluralism, each fucked up group wants to subjugate and kill their rivals. Liberals live in a fantasy land where all the fuckups would be such happy souls if not for our meddling in their affairs.
Remember we just fought the two most violent wars in human history in the last century, and that's with all the enlightenment and sophistication and progress we like to think we've made. These people are centuries behind us and the fact they have modern weapons is frightening and why I can't believe we are making a deal with Iran, that we think we know more than Israel. I'm all for MaDalton's idea, help Middle Eastern countries out that will take them in. Arab Muslims come with too much baggage to be welcomed into Western countries. |
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we've not even been doing drone strikes there for a year, according to all accounts, the civilian death toll from those precision strikes barely = 50 Syrians. 50. we've already spent $4 BILLION on the refugees over the last 4 years. |
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$4 billion / 4 Million displaced persons = $100 each in a year. With other aid EU and general UN money maybe $400 - $500 per person a year. There are estimated to be 2 - 6 million displace persons now related to the ISIS/US and NATO conflict.
Or this will be endless ... Most of the Arab states have no tradition of governing as a representative Republic. So, after an invasion? Nation building is a failed strategy. In the French revolution they guillotined the heads of the royalty -- maybe the guillotines need to roll again. |
Why Europe?
Why do they not seek refuge in other more stable and wealthy Arabic/Islamic countries , like Kuwait , Saudi and the other Gulf States. Wouldn't that make sense? I guess the reason is , those countries do not want them. Which begs the question...why not? |
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They fight each other on and off ... They are doing this in Yemen and Syria right now. They just are playing one against the other. |
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i never claimed the drone strikes over the past 11 months is a winning strategy. but they certainly are not the reason why syrians are migrating and they certainly do not make the USA responsible for 4+ years of Syrian turmoil. |
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That region is suitable for having few people, some camels and lots of praying for Allah (something to do in the middle of desert). |
There are 640 acres in a square mile.
34*11*640 239,360 Acres 96,866 Hectacres for $100 Million USD :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
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Here's a video of the poor women and children (that definately are NOT an invasion force) throwing away food and water given to them by your authorities... The water can't even stand on the train platform with them. They are throwing the shit away onto the train tracks. They came uninvited to your country and are littering. And then there is this... This video was big on BBC - except they didn't show the whole thing. They of course removed the part where he threw his own wife on the ground and made it look like the police were beating the poor defenseless woman and child. This mother fucker is in Europe for a few days and is already trying to manipulate. He steps off some fucking raft into Europe and already has more rights then I do. This is 15% refugees running from war and 85% invasion of Europe, and too many politicians are concerned with being labeled a racist and won't do anything to stop it, and will act surprised when the people have had enough, right wing parties get elected all over europe, and one guy comes to power and decides on another "final solution" like there was 70 years ago... Orban is completely right imho, and myself and many, many people in PL wish Europe had 27 more like him. This needs to be stopped, because it will end up in a War in europe and another holocaust. |
History will look back on this as a big mistake ie accepting the migrants.
Europe will lose its sovereignty soon... |
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