I'll see for myself in a month or so. but I don't doubt society collapses under muslim lawlessness sooner

Those links were for me. I was receiving an education. Someone said Columbo "invented" America. And I made a joke not knowing that Columbus' Italian name was indeed Columbo. He also has various other names in other languages which is what the links are pointing out to me.

sounds reasonable.

i hear ya, i'm up to speed on the thread.

madalton likes to do drive-by's, so i'm joining in.

either way, Columbus's Italian name Columbo still translates to Columbo in Spanish.

After further reading, I see that Hungarian politicians should not be trusted!

Imagine that, Europeans and Americans have a common hatred! ;-)

i like colons...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

These people come from violent cultures, violent religions have already proven not to integrate well into western society. Are unwilling to integrate. But yet people still somehow want them to be allowed to migrate? It's absolutely unreal and crazy to think this way.

A few sad photos does not explain the real situation.

These people will have children who grow up. Feeling pushed outside of society because they do not integrate. Who will be angry and want revenge against the host countries. We are already seeing it.

The western thinking countries should be taking 0 risk with people from these zones. It will be our own demise. Anyone who cannot see this is simply blind.

Not to mention the fact that arabs on average have more children per family. What happens 10 years, 20 years, 30 years+ from now when the local population is decreasing per capita and immigrant population that in time will be greater in numbers starts voting ?

These people DO NOT want to become western. They want to take from the western society.

I always thought it was funny that the currency in Costa Rica was called the colón.

Pronunciation is a little off, but still funny!

You can't fix what's broken - the Middle East lives in 1015 not 2015, none of them want democracy/pluralism, each fucked up group wants to subjugate and kill their rivals. Liberals live in a fantasy land where all the fuckups would be such happy souls if not for our meddling in their affairs.

Remember we just fought the two most violent wars in human history in the last century, and that's with all the enlightenment and sophistication and progress we like to think we've made. These people are centuries behind us and the fact they have modern weapons is frightening and why I can't believe we are making a deal with Iran, that we think we know more than Israel.

I'm all for MaDalton's idea, help Middle Eastern countries out that will take them in. Arab Muslims come with too much baggage to be welcomed into Western countries.

QFFT! :2 cents:

huh? how is Syria a USA problem?

we've not even been doing drone strikes there for a year, according to all accounts, the civilian death toll from those precision strikes barely = 50 Syrians. 50.


we've already spent $4 BILLION on the refugees over the last 4 years.

I know and we also have spent maybe $3 Trillion or more on wars the last 12 years in the Arab lands.

$4 billion / 4 Million displaced persons = $100 each in a year. With other aid EU and general UN money maybe $400 - $500 per person a year.

There are estimated to be 2 - 6 million displace persons now related to the ISIS/US and NATO conflict.

1. Leave ISIS to take over and contain them; or,
2. Send in a 300,000 man invasion army to liquidate them.

Or this will be endless ...

Most of the Arab states have no tradition of governing as a representative Republic. So, after an invasion? Nation building is a failed strategy.

In the French revolution they guillotined the heads of the royalty -- maybe the guillotines need to roll again.

Why Europe?

Why do they not seek refuge in other more stable and wealthy Arabic/Islamic countries , like Kuwait , Saudi and the other Gulf States.

Wouldn't that make sense?

I guess the reason is , those countries do not want them.

Which begs the question...why not?

Yes, US and NATO air strikes are a winning strategy :upsidedow

You think the Arab world is filled with love for other Muslim/Arab ethnic groups or religious sects :upsidedow

They fight each other on and off ... They are doing this in Yemen and Syria right now. They just are playing one against the other.

Are these host European countries going to set up different areas for the different sects so they don't bring that same war into the cities?

that doesn't explain why you think the Syrian refugee crisis is a USA problem.

i never claimed the drone strikes over the past 11 months is a winning strategy.

but they certainly are not the reason why syrians are migrating and they certainly do not make the USA responsible for 4+ years of Syrian turmoil.

What is wrong with the old country? Too much Syrians for Syrians? :) Besides the war of course, but wars end by fighting, surrendering or making peace. If all these millions Syrian refugees would fight against Assad or whoever, I think that they have fairly good chances of winning. Well, there are lot of women and children, but there seems to be one or two able bodied men too.

A kind charitable offer. However, buying a small island can maybe help only a few thousand immigrants realistically.

Obviously depends on the size of the island but even a small one, like Bahrain (in the Middle East) is only 34 miles long and 11 miles wide ... Population close to 1.2 million

And not sustainable. There will be another bunch of refugees when that fucks up.

That region is suitable for having few people, some camels and lots of praying for Allah (something to do in the middle of desert).

There are 640 acres in a square mile.
34*11*640
239,360 Acres
96,866 Hectacres

for $100 Million USD :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Honestly, I agree completely with your governments view on this whole matter...

Here's a video of the poor women and children (that definately are NOT an invasion force) throwing away food and water given to them by your authorities... The water can't even stand on the train platform with them. They are throwing the shit away onto the train tracks. They came uninvited to your country and are littering.



And then there is this...


This video was big on BBC - except they didn't show the whole thing. They of course removed the part where he threw his own wife on the ground and made it look like the police were beating the poor defenseless woman and child. This mother fucker is in Europe for a few days and is already trying to manipulate. He steps off some fucking raft into Europe and already has more rights then I do. This is 15% refugees running from war and 85% invasion of Europe, and too many politicians are concerned with being labeled a racist and won't do anything to stop it, and will act surprised when the people have had enough, right wing parties get elected all over europe, and one guy comes to power and decides on another "final solution" like there was 70 years ago...

Orban is completely right imho, and myself and many, many people in PL wish Europe had 27 more like him. This needs to be stopped, because it will end up in a War in europe and another holocaust.

History will look back on this as a big mistake ie accepting the migrants.

Europe will lose its sovereignty soon...

what the fuck wow. sacrifice the baby on the train tracks and this is USA problem.

unbelievable.

Could something like this fracture the European Union?

The EU no, but they basically have to at least suspend schengen and enforce border checks soon :2 cents: It will make travel in europe less convenient but it's gotta be done.

Quite a ridiculous thing to say - but you're entitled to your opinion I guess ...

The father of the drowned boy has returned to the city in Syria that were trying to flee.

Drowned toddler Aylan Kurdi laid to rest in Syrian city he fled

That city is Kobani - one of the cities that was attacked by ISIS.


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One thing I will say, when you see what the babies and kids have to deal with at such a young age, it makes me feel like telling any kid I see in a McDonald's or toy store throwing a tantrum because they aren't getting what they want to shut the fuck up.

The 3 year old kid next door to my house is a spoiled little cunt. His parents are to blame obviously. They actually brag about how much they spend on him at Birthdays and Christmas... Idiots.

[QUOTE=k0nr4d;20570499]Here's a video of the poor women and children (that definately are NOT an invasion force) throwing away food and water given to them by your authorities... The water can't even stand on the train platform with them. They are throwing the shit away onto the train tracks. They came uninvited to your country and are littering.



Konrad, this video represents 5% of the story that happened to them here in Hungary so far. Those [mostly hungarians] who see and know the whole story Do Understand why hey are doing here. :2 cents:

It is very tough to have an objective opinion about this as I am hungarian [and we seem to be in focus now as ~main entry point to EU or whatever] and I am emotionally disturbed by what is happening here.

I am very upset to hear you agree with our prime minister. What our gov does and How It REacts and Does Things is pretty much fucked up and very disturbing, really. :( The fence, the posters all around the country against migrants, and every little thing about them: it's terrible! The only good things I see is the Migration Aid and civil communities doing, the people of Budapest and Bicske who take families into their homes so they can have a bath and take a sleep not-on-the-floor, etc.

I know this is history happening here, and that this migration can't be stopped and that there will be consequences for the european people. I say this is something that cannot be altered, migration is happening and will happen forever. We have to do the best, with the best intentions, assuming good from these people, not the worst.

I really hope that this will be a 'temporary thing' and most of these refugees will go home in a few years, when the dust is a bit more settled.. Also hoping that these people will assimilate - I know the standard expectations...

Someone mentioned USA has nothing to do w this, as the last drone attacks were more than a year ago: this is not one simple thing making these people leave their ruined homelands, those attacks [however I am not aware of the full story [of the last decades of Syria are relevant at least]] but that was a part of the happenings most likely.

Europe faces a huge challenge, and to me it seems based on the reaction of the people of hungary/eastern-european countries: this is a choice/conflict between the Core Countries/culture of the E and the balkanic countries. I hope that the western civilization wins.

Let's just stay Good People, and make no way for the hate speech and bad expectations and agression.

Kid next door to me was rowing with his mum. At one point I heard him say, if you don't allow me to watch telly, I'll call social services.

My mum would have kicked my arse and delivered me to social services all in the same movement.

I would have got "the slipper" off the arse if I came away with a statement like that when I was younger...

What is the ridiculous part? It is desert. It won't sustain large amounts of any living thing. The water they use is fossil ground water and is bound to end. The farm land suffers from salinization, that actually destroyed one of the earliest human settlements around that area (and in human history altogether).


"So how did Fertile Crescent peoples lose that big lead? The short answer is ecological suicide: They inadvertently destroyed the environmental resources on which their society depended. Just as the region's rise wasn't due to any special virtue of its people, its fall wasn't due to any special blindness on their part. Instead, they had the misfortune to be living in an extremely fragile environment, which, because of its low rainfall, was particularly susceptible to deforestation.

When you clear a forest in a high-rainfall tropical area, new trees grow up to a height of 15 feet within a year; in a dry area like the Fertile Crescent, regeneration is much slower. And when you add to the equation grazing by sheep and goats, new trees stand little chance. Deforestation led to soil erosion, and irrigation agriculture led to salinization, both by releasing salt buried deep in the ground and by adding salt through irrigation water. After centuries of degradation, areas of Iraq that formerly supported productive irrigation agriculture are today salt pans where nothing grows."


"Iraq's decline holds a broader significance. Many other countries today face similar crippling environmental problems, including the deforestation, overgrazing, erosion and salinization that brought down the Fertile Crescent. Other countries already crippled or nearly so by such problems include Haiti, Somalia, Rwanda, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, the Philippines and Indonesia."

The Erosion of Civilization - latimes

Ha ha, I use to get "the slipper" too ... And the broom, mop ... Pretty much anything lying close to hand.

The world over, water has to come from somewhere. In the middle east (at least in almost all GCC countries) we have the sea and huge desalination plants. We also import a fuck load of "mineral water". Unlike the UK that imposes a hose ban every so often, and California that is suffering a drought, the Middle Eat does ok for being a desert.

I say "we" but I no longer live there ... Too lazy to change it ....

Only time I see a camel in Bahrain or Dubai is when I actively go out looking for one. You know ... on lonely nights ....but usually we just shag dirty English or pinoy birds ...

I don't know if this has any bearing on your opinion, but refugees will not go home. They are looking for a new home. They may even think, this very minute, that they will go home if things ever get better. But things will never get better, their new home will be significantly better than the old home. They will build a life in their new home. Their kids will have friends. They will have friends.

You can take them in. You can try to keep them out. But know that they are not going back to wherever they came from. In fact, there will only be more as their families grow and they send for friends and families from their homeland.