200 illegal economical immigrants, puppet spineless EU governments and blind not grasping the whole picture libtards.

again, you are free to blame America, your view is your's and truly has no impact or bearing on anything, including what actually happened.


i provided some credible links with some good information for those interested in learning more.

You, the gypsies and the immigrants can all live together in your happy little commune. Just do me a favor and don't be in my neighborhood in Hungary.

I don't like Orban but in this case I agree with him.

Take my opinion how you may and criticize me for not being a Hungarian citizen. But I own property and a business in Hungary and pay taxes so I have a vested interest. Probably pay more taxes than most Hungarians because I don't do it the Hungarian way.

I see them as migrants not refugees. It's almost an invasion and they're fleeing from their duty to fight isis. It's scary. Our press/politic campaigns are way too orchestrated here in the Europe. Europe is fucked if they continue this but no, everyone is encouraging this mess. Follow the trail of garbage and shitty diapers.

This is not the year to quit drinking.

It's a tragedy of course. But don't let yourself get tricked by those pictures. Medias are orchestrated it in a more awful way.

Nice to have at least one government in Eu standing up to this plague. Hungary :thumbsup

No one is refuting your links. You stated categorically that the Syrian Arab Spring was a direct result of the wikileaks Syria Files. I am merely pointing out that is not the case. Your very own links prove this.

I have no idea where you got the idea that I am blaming America. I live in Europe, the refugee issue is a European problem. I have no idea why you would think I am blaming America. Was America involved in the conflicts I mentioned? Yes they were but so was the UK and other EU states.

I'm sorry I didn't agree with everything you said. I didn't know it was a prerequisite to having a conversation with you that didn't end with you being annoyed with me.

Everybody sees them that way, because that is what they are. There is not even a debate. Except with some dumbfucks.

Only morons get tricked by that.

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no, what you are pointing out is your not understanding.

arab spring was a consequence of wikileaks

the syrian spring was a part of that arab spring.

the syrian spring spilled over into greater and greater violence as time went on.

that violence was propelled by the syrian files release.

civil war.


all of the arab spring violence resulted from the original wikileaks release, including the advent of protests in syria.

those protests in syria, that began from the original wikileak, were further fueled by the next wikileak release, the syrian file


that's it. it's not hard to see that the original uprising started on account of wikileaks and was further fueled by the next release.



the weird part of your argument is while you are trying to poke holes in that timeline, you've yet to counter my point with any links or proof supporting your claim that's it's America's fault.

either way, you are free to blame America. no biggie really.

Trying to poke holes? Hell I think I drove a truck through that timeline.

You can think I was blaming America all you like, but not once have I said "this is America's fault". I said the West and I meant the West - more so Europe because that's were the refugee problem is. But yeah, spin it any way you like.

again, it's not my timeline, it's histories timeline, for you to drive a truck through history would require some links backing up your claims, not simply you exclaiming you drove a truck through history.

so what was all the Operation Freedom stuff then? you know, where you exclaimed that USA forced Democracy on the Syrians with an invasion duped on the American public?

either way, you are free to blame America.

The only one claiming Arab Spring was a direct result of wikileaks is you so far. You posted a link to the Syria Files as your proof. These files may have caused the uprising to escalate but it didn't "start" them as you claim.

Operation Iraqi Freedom wasn't just a US operation. The UK, Poland, Spain (European countries) were also involved. And I meant European countries duped the public. But I get how you were confused. That's fine, I accept your apology.

Umm, no. I posted a link (outof many) to amnesty international stating the wikileaks as catalyst to arab spring and then referenced it again.

Wait, you think people that you think are confused by you owe you an apology?


Either way, you are free to blame America.

Quoted for truth.

So we're calling Amnesty International historians now? Ok.

You're ultimately free to believe any thing you want but striving for dignity is one of mankinds most fundamental attributes and the struggles against abuse and degradation has been fought for centuries in the Middle East. The concept of freedom did not spring forth from the loins of wikileaks.

But hey, what do I know, I'm just an Arab who was born in one of the Arab Spring countries and actually traveled there shortly after it happened.

Either way, you are free to blame America. No biggie.

You're the one who thinks people owe you an apology if you think you've confused them.

Either way? You quote a wiileaks publication partner and called them historians dude!

Here's another article referencing what you're talking about:

Amnesty International hails WikiLeaks and media partners as Arab spring ?catalysts?

Maybe I didn't search hard enough but I find it strange that no other news service, bar The Guardian, reported on this hailing and cataclysmic effort in SPECIFICALLY the Syrian uprising.

But yeah, either way.

You talk about MaDalton's drivebys but at least him and I can have discussions AND disagree without either of us throwing our dummy out the pram.

I think a lot of people in here do not know the meaning of racism.

I've treated you with the utmost respect, regardless of madalton.

You think im trying to claim a spark in 2010 that ignited current events has nothing to do with 1000s of years of Arabs fighting. I don't think that, I fully realize Arabs have slaughtered each other for eons, that's why europeans are concerned.

Either way, you are free to blame America.

I don't suppose you think that American military interventions, especially in Iraq neighboring Syria had anything to do with the crisis?

More women and children. I really don't know how anyone can call this anything OTHER then an Invasion...

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Europe get ready to get culturally enriched!!!!

Somaliërs kunnen geen baan vinden, Polen juist wel

Percentage of people on Social welfare in the netherlands grouped by country of origin:
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a girl i know had a new iraqi boyfriend who seemed more "integrated" than other muslims here on the surface, but i knew he put on an act, it was obvious.

i remember she said "Iraq isn't that bad like other muslims treat their women right?"
i said "i have no idea, they did run from an actual war there so maybe they are not as bad."

Eventually she got beaten the fuck up every week.

With what evidence do you base the idea of integration? You can add the rest of your post to that comment.

The financial cost of this is what will crush the liberal agenda. Most of Europe is unable to house them with present housing stock. In the UK they can't house the present population, the new arrivals and now these migrants. It can cost around $1,000 per worker to pay for the migrants.

In fact the average cost of UK home is £195,000, this includes places where there are no jobs. 5 people per home £20,000. There are not enough jobs, unemployment costs £61 billion a year, that's £4,379 per claimant per year. Average cost of healthcare, £2,000 per year.

You taking one and giving her a bed, is the last of the problems.

They had refuge in Hungary, they walked through safe countries to get to Hungary. They refused to go to the camps. They will leave any camp they are put in. They want jobs and benefits.

European Governments are gambling with their future. In 3 years or less most will have to face the electorate. To be judged on how they handled this situation. If everything is fine, no worries. Back in the real world the problems will have doubled or trebled.

Then parties with real solutions will pick up huge numbers of votes. The right will sweep into power.

Already growing, this is a boost for them.

Bring them all here Mr Cameron.

Britain has a duty after all...

Each one of these muslims will take more than they will ever give to their new host country. As they settle they will not acclimate themselves into their new society but expect their new country to change for them.

Goodbye Europe.

The world sees the west as weak. Weak policies with a current strong economic base. Ripe for the picking.

What will happen is the same idea of a trojan horse. Let the doors open and be invaded from the inside.

If people have never met someone from these cultures dont fool yourself. They are demanding and violent to the core. The exact reason there has been problems in the region forever. If a stance is not taken europe will be finished.

With everything German chancellor Angela Merkel is saying ("we will set no limits to the number of people who want to come to our country"), i'd like someone to interview her in 10 or 20 years time and ask if Germany has any regrets...

Single adult males should absolutely be prohibited entry, look at the photos and videos, that's who's in them.

But according to MaDaltons cherry picked photos they are women and children?

that's the thing, it's a vicious cycle for idiots who cry that the people need to be let in etc. They ignore the reality of ghettos full of them here and the constant crime. Here the people in the media sit safely in their huge houses at the canals in amsterdam, surrounded by others who do not know the reality in the rest of the country. They live in a dream world.

I saw a popular show here in NL talking about the pic of the dead kid, and they introduced this acress with the words "she is already redecorating her attic to place a shower and room for some refugees" and i instantly changed the channel. This naive dreamworld crap really turns my stomach around, a woman like that has no fucking clue. And ofcourse she's the first to go on TV to announce to the world she is doing this. That behaviour completely away from reality with the aim to brainwash is sickening.

According to you, my friend, not wanting the whole of Europe to become a crazy social experiment like Sweden is bigotry. Sure thing m8. Oh, I forgot, Sweden is a model country. Taking in hordes of people from third world countries with third world ''values'' is so progressive. Ignoring the fact that rape has skyrocketed because of these people and that they are leeching off the welfare state is progressive. Heck, they can even start some riots and nobody will touch them because hey, that would be racist. And no, I am obviously not referring to the Syrians but keep twisting things, it is amusing.

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As you can see, europeans don't hate muslims, they just dislike them. But as I said, there are factual arguments to support that feeling. No one likes a group who demand a lot, doesn't integrate, does more crime, lives on welfare, is often religious fanatics, and is increasing rapidely. I don't know a single country in the world, who would love people like that.

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It will bring in right wing politicians who object to the liberal views of many now in control. In the countries that produce the wealth the EU relies on. Then the EU gets changed for the better of those countries or it breaks up.

Great pic. If that doesnt show whats going on i dont know what to tell people.

Happens in canada refugees come in. Free school. Free langauge courses. Free healthcare. On and on. And these refugees arent stupid. They come in educated on what programs they can take advantage of and expect nothing less.

A muslim immigrant at my mothers work complained that the business owners need to build her a private room to pray. She also gets special breaks in order to do so. It's fucking sick.

They do not and will not integrate.

Read this and think how pouring money into these countries helps.

The article already admits money is available.

Even sitting on the world biggest reserves of oil, and enough money to solve all their problems. They can't. And did they allow the ordinary people to have Western schools and hospitals? No, those ordinary people join terrorists groups to destroy them.

Greece is not far away.

People are not stupid when it comes to survival. They will take the best deal available to them.

Going to be a hell of a time when the families that have been there contributing to society and paying taxes for centuries decide they have had enough.

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They are breaking out of camps to get to the money, when Austria says no more, they move to Germany, when Germany says no more, someone might try to deals with the problem. Just don't count on it.

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People like to blame the West for all problems. They seem to be forgetting that the Middle East has been on fire for millennia. This is not the result of any one single actor. It's the result of many. Placing blame is pointless. Taking on all responsibility for the problem is naive.

That fucking idiot Bob Geldof said something similar a few days ago. He was planning to allow some "refugees" a place to stay at some of his many properties.

Nice one Bob. You attention seeking fuck...

the Arab Gulf States have yet to take in a single refugee.

Zero migrants taken in by the fabulously wealthy autocratic monarchies of the Persian Gulf.

Washington Post:

Some European countries have been criticized for offering sanctuary only to a small number of refugees, or for discriminating between Muslims and Christians. There's also been a good deal of continental hand-wringing over the general dysfunction of Europe's systems for migration and asylum.

Less ire, though, has been directed at another set of stakeholders who almost certainly should be doing more: Saudi Arabia and the wealthy Arab states along the Persian Gulf.

As Amnesty International recently pointed out, the "six Gulf countries -- Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain -- have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees."

What makes their reluctance to take in any refugees so maddening is that several of those states - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UEA - are bankrolling Islamist rebels in Syria that are the cause of this mass migration of people.

The King of Saudi Arabia has a 1000 strong party entourage. United Arab Emirates builds islands in the shape of the globe.

Him and Bono should get together and throw a new charity event, Live Now. Free concert for refugees only. Rent a large park. Free food, free bands. Thousands in attendance.

Curious how that would go.

The fact is if these refugees religious sect were the ones in power. They would be pillaging their counter parts.

It has 0 to do with the west. It's always easier to point the finger on the west.

I mean it couldnt be the fact these people come from different fanatical religious sects and indoctrinate their children from birth to hate eachother? But nope.... wests fault.

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dubai police cars and headquarters

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You can see already that the immigrant problems splits the people in all countries. That means that more extreme politicians will be elected. That means more problems in Europe cause most of them want out of the influence of the EU.

The tensions between migrants and p[eople from countries will grow. And in the end IS destabilized Europe and than everything can happen. You can see that every country already musthave some jihadist in their country.

You must help the real refugees, but Europe can take care of all the people that want to go to Europe. Espacially not when some countries want 0 refugees, while other must take 100.000...

Every time IS start attacking new areas, more people will come and destabilize Europe in many ways. A lot of people are already angry about the help for Greece while in their own countries things aren't as well as it was either.

I have the feeling we will found out soon what happens, i expect more terror attacks in Europe to destabilize Europe.