Greece is not far away.

People are not stupid when it comes to survival. They will take the best deal available to them.

Going to be a hell of a time when the families that have been there contributing to society and paying taxes for centuries decide they have had enough.

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f9&oe=5662B7B8

They are breaking out of camps to get to the money, when Austria says no more, they move to Germany, when Germany says no more, someone might try to deals with the problem. Just don't count on it.

Sly
 

People like to blame the West for all problems. They seem to be forgetting that the Middle East has been on fire for millennia. This is not the result of any one single actor. It's the result of many. Placing blame is pointless. Taking on all responsibility for the problem is naive.

That fucking idiot Bob Geldof said something similar a few days ago. He was planning to allow some "refugees" a place to stay at some of his many properties.

Nice one Bob. You attention seeking fuck...

the Arab Gulf States have yet to take in a single refugee.

Zero migrants taken in by the fabulously wealthy autocratic monarchies of the Persian Gulf.

Washington Post:

Some European countries have been criticized for offering sanctuary only to a small number of refugees, or for discriminating between Muslims and Christians. There's also been a good deal of continental hand-wringing over the general dysfunction of Europe's systems for migration and asylum.

Less ire, though, has been directed at another set of stakeholders who almost certainly should be doing more: Saudi Arabia and the wealthy Arab states along the Persian Gulf.

As Amnesty International recently pointed out, the "six Gulf countries -- Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain -- have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees."

What makes their reluctance to take in any refugees so maddening is that several of those states - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UEA - are bankrolling Islamist rebels in Syria that are the cause of this mass migration of people.

The King of Saudi Arabia has a 1000 strong party entourage. United Arab Emirates builds islands in the shape of the globe.

Him and Bono should get together and throw a new charity event, Live Now. Free concert for refugees only. Rent a large park. Free food, free bands. Thousands in attendance.

Curious how that would go.

The fact is if these refugees religious sect were the ones in power. They would be pillaging their counter parts.

It has 0 to do with the west. It's always easier to point the finger on the west.

I mean it couldnt be the fact these people come from different fanatical religious sects and indoctrinate their children from birth to hate eachother? But nope.... wests fault.

:warning

dubai police cars and headquarters

http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/...he_156_2-8.jpg

:warning

You can see already that the immigrant problems splits the people in all countries. That means that more extreme politicians will be elected. That means more problems in Europe cause most of them want out of the influence of the EU.

The tensions between migrants and p[eople from countries will grow. And in the end IS destabilized Europe and than everything can happen. You can see that every country already musthave some jihadist in their country.

You must help the real refugees, but Europe can take care of all the people that want to go to Europe. Espacially not when some countries want 0 refugees, while other must take 100.000...

Every time IS start attacking new areas, more people will come and destabilize Europe in many ways. A lot of people are already angry about the help for Greece while in their own countries things aren't as well as it was either.

I have the feeling we will found out soon what happens, i expect more terror attacks in Europe to destabilize Europe.

Spend 15 minutes researching the Shiites and the Sunnis and anyone can see that the West doesn't even matter. And that's just them! Mix in the Christians, then mix in your different tribes, then mix in your different royal families, then mix in your different nations, then mix in your fighting over resources.

And on and on and on.

The Middle East has more money than any country could ever possibly need.

4 of the top 30 countries based on GDP alone (excluding Israel):
https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/ec...rest-countries

Germany is #18 on that list, by the way, behind Qatar at #1 (that country that bribed FIFA to have a luxurious World Cup event in the middle of the summer in the middle of the desert) and United Arab Emirates at #8 (that country building all sorts of little islands that look like the globe and really neat looking trees.)

Blame the West!

Well I mean given that I can't go out and talk to a billion and a half people to understand them all I can go on is what I read about the magnitude.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
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NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
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People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
A Year After Iraq War | Pew Research Center

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
PJ Media
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda?s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/...aardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...for-extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...-islamist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/po...cks-on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

PS, the background story about the poor kid that was drowned. They where already in Turkey for months/ years and wanted to go to Canada. That was cause they didn't have much work/money in Turkey and hard to get work. He also needed dental repair for 14.000 USD because during tortures they hit his teeth. So his sister from canada and other family sent money so they could buy a bout to flew to Europe (Sweden/Germany) for 14K dental repair and than try to get to Canada.

Dit is het verhaal achter Syrisch jongetje Aylan - Elsevier.nl

can't blame people to try to get a better life, but how much risk must you take.

wait, what?

Really? I wonder why. I mean I've never seen sheep walk into a slaughter house voluntarily ... have you?

exactly.


think about what you just wrote.

I have read on and on about the different religious groups/sects/tribes you name it.

Assad's own Alawites were viewed as mystics. Sent into the mountains to hide from other sects. All you have to do is mix and match. It doesn't matter who is in power they all want to slaughter each other.

Most people agree that these areas need a dictator to keep the peace. Then they try to blame the west for removing people like Saddam. But then their idiotic solution is to bring refugees to a free western world who need/needed a dictator to to stop them from slaughtering eachother!? and now somehow in the free west the refugees are going to magically be peaceful when they need a dictator in the first place? fucking idiots.

uh .... i'd say 50% of Americans couldn't afford a $14,000 dental bill.

Some of you need to start writing letters to your unborn grandchild apologizing for foolishly fucking up your country's for them.

Fact: they will never live as you so far have, Never have the same country you are giving away. Fucking shame and it will just get worse. What's the cut off point?

Ironicly a lot of Dutch people go top Turkey for dental care cause it is much cheaper there. And i went to a dentist in Colombia, he has a lot of people from USA cause it ic cheaper. I can advice to takeholiday in Mexico and do dental care there, still much cheaper than in USA and free holiday.

If you live in the southern part of the United States, specifically Southwest, it's not uncommon to hear of someone traveling to Mexico for dental or eye care. In fact, when I was living in San Diego, I often saw advertisements for clinics in Tijuana (Mexican city across the border from San Diego.) I always laughed at the Tijuana Lasik ad, buy one eye get the second eye free.

I had a friend that took a day trip to Tijuana once to fix a bunch of cavities. He was happy.

14 000 $ dental bill? Are the tooth made of gold or something? We have public dental care and I am quite sure that it doesn't cost 14 000 even if you get brand new tooth altogether.

How in fuck it can cost that much in Turkey?

Aw, you removed your rip on the United States after you realized nothing he said had anything to do with the United States.

Quite prejudicial of you, don't you think?

US health care is famous for being one of the most expensive and inefficient, no offense.

Though tooth implants seem to cost quite much in here too, in private sector I mean. Just partially new tooth is much less (about 700-1000 euros). In public they seem to ask something like 500 euros per jaw full of tooth (price to produce the service unknown), source unreliable.

make it a video message, with bottle of beer in one hand and pork sandwich in another :1orglaugh:helpme

Don't need to. Any way you look at it, what you write makes me and any logical person come to the realization that you just like to hear yourself talk ... even if it's total bloody rubbish.

more of your blame it on America(ns) attitude.



it is funny how you claim you are capable of an adult debate yet have continued to make personal remarks about me while exclaiming i'm the one doing so, yet i've maintained respectful attitude towards you and provided links supporting my comments while you've yet to do so, you've just pointed out that you're right because you're an Arab and claim you visited there.

it's also funny how it's convenient for you to blame America(ns) for the current Arabs slaughtering Arabs event but then spin around and claim it's because Arabs have been slaughtering Arabs for 1000s and 1000s of years.

either way, you are free to blame your life and Arabs slaughtering each other on me/America, no biggie. i'll turn on my tele and watch the slaughter from the comfort of my easy chair.

Do you think Iranians wouldn't like to go back in time and reconsider their revolution?

Iran in the 60s/70s

It doesn't matter what you do in the Middle East, it all ends in failure, because the entire region is nothing but FAIL.

http://i.imgur.com/DFVbUhe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DUFj7qp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rVItOXg.jpg

http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-cont...ran_70s_11.jpg

http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-cont...ran_70s_15.jpg

http://www.cavemancircus.com/wp-cont...ran_70s_17.jpg

heads-up, there are many people in this thread much much smarter than me who have logically realized America is not to blame for Arabs slaughtering each other. but it's cool you think you don't need to think about what you write.

You didn't read the story. He was tortured and the hit all his tooth in Syria. The main reason he want to go to Europe was to get free dental care and than go to Canada. And yes, i think a full dental care when you lost all your teeth during torturing is a fair amount.

Bad situation, already 2 million refugees in Turkey. And more coming.

Nearly every fourth non-German Muslim rejects integration, questions western values and tends to accept violence, according to a study commissioned by the German Interior Ministry and released late Thursday morning.
. . .
There are currently around four million Muslims living in Germany, of which nearly half are German citizens.

The survey also showed that among the 14 to 32-year-olds there exists a "subgroup" of religious extremists who hold anti-western views and are reportedly prepared to use violence.

This group amounts to about 15 percent of Muslims with German citizenship and about 24 percent for Muslims who are not German.

There is no need to wonder what and if it will happen. It will. Learn about Kosovo and what happened there (not official version that was used as excuse to attack sovereign country and take 1/4 of it's territory) .

It is absolute same principle and once you go through that, you will start seeing models in their behaviour and phases of a plan.

European stupidity is incredible. I guess life in good conditions make you soft and you think that everyone think in a same way. That is ultimate mistake that european kids will pay in worst possible way.

And if you think it is impossible to have organized muslim military in Europe, small reminder how that looked like in Bosnia back in the 90's and how cute they are. Most of them left there and are ready to act.

I will repeat this once again: thanks for bringing "democracy" to Iraq, Libya and Syria.
thanks for messing up with these countries and their governments.
now you created ISIS and this huge migration problem.

the real question is: did you do it because you are that stupid and shortsighted or that smart and it was actually your plan ?

the questions is adressed to European elites....those who have power....and some "other influental "elites in this world too...

But you already know the answer. No one is that stupid, especially most powerfull country in the world.

Divide et impera

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it is exactly the same in Poland when they talk about Ukraine and all the problems that are actually their fault when they started supporting blindly "peaceful Maidan protesters".
by they - I mean media and political elites.
First i was thinking that this is some kind of conspiracy..later it appeared that these people are just stupid and out of touch with any part of reality.
So I'm asking once again: were people who overthrow Kaddafi, Assad and Saddam really THAT STUPID ? or it was their plan ?..............

and why Germany, France, UK, Italy dont have independent politicians then and are playing and acting against their own nations ?
what they lean on ? Noah's Ark for them as elites of new world?

really ? i wouldnt be so sure actually. idiots without reality sense/ check are everywhere

They lean on money, that will help their children go to Australia or USA, and watch it from there. Why do you think that they have any plan at all? (remember guys like Berlusconi have only one plan and that is to enjoy as much as possible and fuck around...and he was a legitimate representative of Italy for many years ) . Germany, Italy and especially France wouldn't exist if there were no Uncle Sam to shape them in a way they need it after WW2.

Those are strong countries if you watch from Europe, but compared to USA, they are small children. In every possible way. They can't decide on their own and won't do what is best for them. We saw that many times in modern history. Last episode in Europe was with Ukraine...european countries fucked themself and ruined their ties with Russia for what? Ukraine? Who gives a shit for a Ukraine for real?

Anyway, most of migrants (not fucking refugees because they are not) will end in Balkans and will overtake it completely in incoming decades.

US is most organized world power that history ever saw. While other nations are battling for basic things and between neighbours , US is controlling half countries in the world. Some directly, some through political control. That is no task for stupid people, as I am concerned.