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michael.kickass 09-14-2015 12:27 PM

False...

mineistaken 09-14-2015 02:36 PM

false and "have doubts" do not go hand in hand.

There should be an option "not sure" + "many doubts" and "false" + "I totally do not believe it"

mineistaken 09-14-2015 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20578797)
Allow me to ask this question. If you are a US citizen and you really, truly believe that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks why do you still live in this country? If I found out beyond any doubt that the US government killed over 3,500 of its citizens so they could start a war and pass some laws I would leave. I don't delude myself into thinking I would leave tomorrow, but I would begin the process of moving to a country that doesn't wage war against its own citizens.

The thing is that almost nobody (maybe except wehateporn, but does he live in US?) have that "beyond any doubt" opinion, most have just suspicions or "I have doubts" opinion.

SilentKnight 09-14-2015 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20579365)
The thing is that almost nobody (maybe except wehateporn, but does he live in US?) have that "beyond any doubt" opinion, most have just suspicions or "I have doubts" opinion.

Exactly.

If I were to put it to a ratio - personally I'd say I waver 80% towards the government had something to do with 9/11 - and only 20% belief that it was some camel shagging cave dwellers who pulled it off.

And, like Rochard - who tends to have a completely opposite opinion to mine - I've read one helluva lot about 9/11 over the years - critical analysis on both sides of the debate. I'm not a tinfoil hat wearing person who sees conspiracy in everything. For peace of mind, I'd much prefer thinking it was solely perpetrated by foreign terrorists acting independent of any American-based influence. I really wanted that to be the conclusive answer.

But I can't - my logical mind won't allow that. Far too many unignorable indicators point towards people within the U.S. government having advance knowledge of the attacks.

L-Pink 09-14-2015 06:04 PM

Didn't this thread have a poll? Or was that another at the same time?

SilentKnight 09-14-2015 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20579527)
Didn't this thread have a poll? Or was that another at the same time?

I thought it did...might've been another, tho.

BFT3K 09-14-2015 08:59 PM

Semi-related...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4sjq9pzFa8

billywatson 09-15-2015 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20577068)
I remember when this happened but don't know the full details of that flight, but this is talking about an hour and 20 minutes. It's also saying that there was failure to respond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payne_Stewart#Death

The pilot did not respond to air traffic controllers, an hour and 20 minutes later they were being escorted.

I think it was an hour and 20 when the plane finally ran out of fuel and crashed in South Dakota? I don't think it took an hour and 20...when I first heard about that, it was 10 minutes after the pilot didn't respond to whoever was reaching out...after the plane went off course.

scarlettcontent 09-15-2015 02:17 PM

its was obviously very fishy

Rochard 09-15-2015 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20578797)
Allow me to ask this question. If you are a US citizen and you really, truly believe that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks why do you still live in this country? If I found out beyond any doubt that the US government killed over 3,500 of its citizens so they could start a war and pass some laws I would leave. I don't delude myself into thinking I would leave tomorrow, but I would begin the process of moving to a country that doesn't wage war against its own citizens.

I've given this a lot of thought. I've put in a lot of research. I've read the books. I have a copy of the 9/11 Commission Report, I have read the 9/11 conspiracy books, watched all of the videos, and read of lot of the "debunking" 9/11 myth books.... And where is what I came up with.... There ZERO proof that it didn't happen exactly the way our government explained it us. Anyone who argues otherwise can be dismissed with simple common sense.

I'll use WTC 7 as an example. They'll say "nothing hit it" and "it fell for no reason". Really? Okay, moment of the impact.... A fire ball exploded through the buildings. We ALL saw this, some of us saw it live. Burning debris fell on the other buildings. WTC 7 was on fire. Then, not one, but two very large, very tall buidings.... fell.... At the doorstep of WTC7. Those buildings falling were massive, and registered as earthquakes. (So we have a building on fire that just went through two earthquakes.) Then the debris from the buildings.... Where did that debris go? It fell all around WTC7. The debris was so much and so high that people couldn't exit WTC 7 through any exists near the towers. (So now we have a building on fire that went through two earthquakes that was hit by hundreds of millions of tons of debris.) Then there is the possibility that when the towers fell, it physically moved WTC 7 off it's foundation. (So now we have a building on fire that just went through two earthquakes that was hit by debris that might have physically moved the building off it's foundation that has been on fire for hours.)

Here is a diagram of the damage to the building before it fell.

http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org..._floorplan.jpg

Keep in mind the photos you see and the video you see is from the far side of the building that wasn't damaged. Meaning, no one was sitting on top of the debris of the two towers taking pictures of WTC 7.

The question isn't "how did WTC 7 fall" but instead "How did WTC 7 remain standing as long as it did.

kane 09-15-2015 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20580519)
I've given this a lot of thought. I've put in a lot of research. I've read the books. I have a copy of the 9/11 Commission Report, I have read the 9/11 conspiracy books, watched all of the videos, and read of lot of the "debunking" 9/11 myth books.... And where is what I came up with.... There ZERO proof that it didn't happen exactly the way our government explained it us. Anyone who argues otherwise can be dismissed with simple common sense.

I'll use WTC 7 as an example. They'll say "nothing hit it" and "it fell for no reason". Really? Okay, moment of the impact.... A fire ball exploded through the buildings. We ALL saw this, some of us saw it live. Burning debris fell on the other buildings. WTC 7 was on fire. Then, not one, but two very large, very tall buidings.... fell.... At the doorstep of WTC7. Those buildings falling were massive, and registered as earthquakes. (So we have a building on fire that just went through two earthquakes.) Then the debris from the buildings.... Where did that debris go? It fell all around WTC7. The debris was so much and so high that people couldn't exit WTC 7 through any exists near the towers. (So now we have a building on fire that went through two earthquakes that was hit by hundreds of millions of tons of debris.) Then there is the possibility that when the towers fell, it physically moved WTC 7 off it's foundation. (So now we have a building on fire that just went through two earthquakes that was hit by debris that might have physically moved the building off it's foundation that has been on fire for hours.)

Here is a diagram of the damage to the building before it fell.

http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org..._floorplan.jpg

Keep in mind the photos you see and the video you see is from the far side of the building that wasn't damaged. Meaning, no one was sitting on top of the debris of the two towers taking pictures of WTC 7.

The question isn't "how did WTC 7 fall" but instead "How did WTC 7 remain standing as long as it did.

I haven't done as much research as you, but I have read and seen enough to convince me that it happened the way most of us believe it happened. If I had a strong suspicion that the government was behind it and killed its own citizens for political reasons I would begin looking for a different country to live in.


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