LOL :1orglaugh

Chill out guys, it is weekend.

No, they really don't.

It's all about perception and this infographic paints Israel out to be a land grabbing bad guy. But if you review history, you would completely understand how and why Israel now has that amount of land.

The Arabs kept attacking them and they kept beating the shit out of their Arab attackers. In retribution, they kept the land they conquered. They did it for safety reason as well. It helped them define and strengthen their borders against the inevitability of more Arab attacks.

Israeli war of independence - November 1947
"At the end of the war, the State of Israel kept the area that had been recommended by the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 as well as almost 60% of the area allocated to the proposed Arab state"

Six-Day War - June 1967
"Israel seized control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula (from Egypt), the West Bank and East Jerusalem (from Jordan), and the Golan Heights (from Syria). The area under Israeli control tripled, increasing the nation's ability to defend its borders"

Now look at the infographic again and the date correlations to the wars they fought. It should change your perception of reality.

wow what a great argument!...the allies gave arab land, that does not belong to them in any way, shape or form to jews...this made the arabs fight back, like any other nation in the world would fight back, when somebody gives away land that does not belong to them....with hella jew $$$ the poor arabs got beat, and their right to fight back was painted as terrorism and they lost more land...now its the arabs fault for not bending over like a good little bitch and taking it up the ass

oh and what was the reason jews got their holy land? a book...thats right folks a religious book that was written like 2000 years ago by some guy who had shit stained pants and an imaginary firend in the sky :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

let me take this opportunity to say how fair and just the UK and US were in giving away shit that does not belong to them :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup how fucking fair and just eh? they did not give away part of the UK fuuuuuuuuuck nooooooo they did not give away part of the USA fuuuuuuuuuuk nooooooooo, they gave away shit that was not theirs :thumbsup

so to sum up: its the arabs fault, israelis are super just nice guys and the UK and US are fair players as fuck, legit to the max! :thumbsup

To me, it's really simple. I don't see Jews strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up killing innocent people or high jacking planes to kill americans.

It's really easy to support the Jews for me based on those principles alone.

History. You should learn some.



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this is a fair point.

i have a fair point in retort. When a religious extremist parks his ass in your living room, brings in his family, brings in his friends, & tells you its his house now, invokes his bible as the reason, & has a military to back him up, while you got nothing...

but you prefer settler youths throwing firebombs at innocents. strapping bombs unto ones body is not PC.

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Christian, Jews, Muslims... all of them have blood on their hands.

Historically that is correct.

Presently some have more blood on their hands than others. Way more. And it's not christians or jews. Engaging in moral relativism in today's world will get us nowhere. It's time to stop excusing the present sins of one group because of the past sins of other groups.


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That would be a fair argument if Palestine was ever actually an established country before 1988. It was a under British control until 1948 when it was partitioned to make room for the displaced post WWII Israelite people.

So let's revisit your analogy with that in mind.

There is a house that people are squatting, still owned by the bank (Britain and UN). Your neighborhood was destroyed, so the bank tells you that you can move into the guest house of one of their properties. The current occupants, squatters, are upset so they bring over a bunch of friends and try to physically remove you and your family. You fight back and win control over a larger portion of the house. As punishment for their attack, you condemn them to the garage. They cause all kinds of trouble, and eventually recruit your neighbors to try to remove you. Once again, you win and in return, take a larger portion of the house, and some of your neighbor's yards.

Now everyone around you is pissed off because they can't evict you, and in the process, lost some of their property. All you want to do is live in the house and get on with your life, but the people now living in your tool shed, and your neighbors all want you gone, simply because you beat them when they tried to evict you. You were never the aggressor, they were.

Now they're all vandalizing your house, trying to light it on fire, randomly killing your children...and you're expected not to fight back, or protect yourself. Yeah, right. Fuck that shit. If Israel didn't have restraint, they would have already kicked the shit out of everything brown in that area.

i can understand your logic.

but if you look back to 1948 UN map, there is most definitely area that is called "palestine" that sits right next to Israel.

i feel that the native arab people who've lived there, & lived on a land they called palestine, regardless of the colonial overseer of the day, that these people had & have inalienable human rights, the same defined in the US declaration of independence. So we have to deal with the facts of today, in part because who owned what 50 & 70 years back is becoming too far out to be important to young people alive today, who are fed up with the so called "occupation" & they are not listening to their elders who want to broker a deal, since deals have been failing for 20 years now.

i see analogies of the state of palestinians as similar to the US indians in the 19th century . The USA was not nice to those people & today they are decimated drunks whose only millionaires are bequeathed casinos by the Man. Thats the future i see for those arabs trapped inside israeli controlled "gray areas" they got no rights & no future, i dont blame them for revolting.

just IMO.