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Denny 11-18-2015 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 20638884)
Actually, if one really wanted to issue an invoice to DDF, they would need to follow legal accounting requirements and include DDF's VAT number on that invoice. Since DDF didn't publish their VAT number inside their latest email, it is impossible to issue a proper invoice to them in the first place. Why don't they know that?

:2 cents::2 cents:

PornDiscounts-V 11-18-2015 10:59 AM

Seems to me their program could generate one and put it into your payments area. If you click pay me, you get paid. If you don't, it gets rolled over into a new one and the last one is canceled.

Socks 11-18-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 20637077)
And then we get to the invoicing:

:321GFY

I'm sure Paul will take the time to answer each one of your 1,843 points in due time.

Just wait here, he's typing it out. It'll be ready before 2025.

Socks 11-18-2015 11:08 AM

Paul, just one thought.

It costs ~$250 to start a US LLC in Delaware with a registered agent.

You could then transfer money to your US bank account, and pay all your North American affiliates from there, without missing a beat or losing any affiliates, and completely complying with all tax laws.

You'd need to file US taxes, however since it's a money in money out type of thing, there would be no taxes owed.

Maybe one possible answer to this.

pornmasta 11-18-2015 11:30 AM

gamesrevenue seems to ask the same thing.
Sure i can send an invoice, but with what kind of informations ?
They know better the nature of the transactions than me.
Why don't they have a page to print an invoice and a postal mail to send it ??

That's a waste of time.

BigFurry 11-18-2015 11:50 AM

Normally under EU law it is the supplier who has to create the invoice.

The supplier is you, the affiliate, who promotes the program's sites for money.
The customer is the affiliate program who pays you for this.

I looked around a bit and found a possible solution. It is called SELF-BILLING INVOICES.
Basically the supplier gives formal permission to the customer to create invoices on their behalf.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-self...g-arrangements
It's also mentioned here: VAT invoicing rules - European Commission
Hilton uses this setup for paying travel agencies apparently: Self-Billing Agreement for UK Travel Agencies - Hilton

This might be a lawful option for the affiliate programs the generate invoices on the affiliates' behalf. Maybe some programs do this already, but I haven't come across one. (They would have to ask for affiliates' permission to create invoices on their behalf.)

Also have to check the country-specific laws before setting up such a system, the detailed link above is only for the UK.

Programs providing self-billing invoices would be really great for us EU affiliates who operate legally. Because we actually DID have to create invoices all this time. For ALL payouts.

xXXtesy10 11-18-2015 11:52 AM

blow wads ddf

Forkbeard 11-18-2015 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jscott (Post 20638162)
Most long time affiliates have 100's or 1000's of sponsors they promote. I actively promote probably 200, hows that for wasted time, spending all day for few days just sending out invoices. Imagine that! Sounds terrible.

Well, if it were genuinely required, it's not a problem. I could generate as many invoices as I need and deliver 'em electronically, if only the program in question hadn't appeared to demand a paper invoice delivered by boat. But the key word in that sentence is "need."

All the euro-bros jumping on this thread to sneer about how it's not that hard to make an invoice are completely missing the point. Obviously it's not that hard. I do it all the time for one-time advertising deals when companies ask nicely. But it clearly isn't an absolute requirement of EU tax law, given as how nobody else that deals with US affiliates is doing it. Notice how nobody from Europe talking shit in this thread has managed to cite or link to a single web resource advising that this is actually an insurmountable requirement for paying an affiliate from Europe. They just sneer and pose and act all superior.

NewNick 11-19-2015 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 20639942)

But it clearly isn't an absolute requirement of EU tax law,

Yes it is, and you will see more companies putting their house in order.

:2 cents:

_Richard_ 11-19-2015 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20640228)
Yes it is, and you will see more companies putting their house in order.

:2 cents:

:2 cents:

i am slightly concerned on how the americans are going to handle this, and what they will require

NewNick 11-19-2015 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20640235)
:2 cents:

i am slightly concerned on how the americans are going to handle this, and what they will require

Well if this thread is anything to go by you are going to witness a massive bout of pathetic hissy fits.

:2 cents::thumbsup:2 cents:

BigFurry 11-19-2015 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 20638884)
Actually, if one really wanted to issue an invoice to DDF, they would need to follow legal accounting requirements and include DDF's VAT number on that invoice. Since DDF didn't publish their VAT number inside their latest email, it is impossible to issue a proper invoice to them in the first place. Why don't they know that?

Btw I just noticed that they actually give you the VAT number in the NATS news article. I guess it was just missing from the email.

They also say there that they want digital invoices, so now it's clear that you don't have to deliver them by boat :)

Forkbeard 11-19-2015 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 20638884)
Actually, if one really wanted to issue an invoice to DDF, they would need to follow legal accounting requirements and include DDF's VAT number on that invoice. Since DDF didn't publish their VAT number inside their latest email, it is impossible to issue a proper invoice to them in the first place. Why don't they know that?

Now would be a good time to mention that the word "VAT" does not appear in DDF Cash's all-affiliates email nor in either of Paul's two butt-hurt posts to this thread. Everything that has been said in this thread about VAT is speculation.

Paul had an opportunity to confirm all the VAT speculation in this thread; instead he pouted and said he wouldn't be answering that question, or shedding any public light on the mysterious "documents in hand" that DDF is demanding by December 15, either.

So all you Euro-bros bleating about how civilized European people all invoice each other because of VAT? It's just empty noise until we hear more from DDF Cash, which Paul has said we will not.

pornmasta 11-19-2015 04:19 PM

(btw since people asked me my VAT number: i have a small business status and i'm not subject to VAT.)

xXXtesy10 11-19-2015 06:02 PM

ddf suck a mean dick

Forkbeard 11-23-2015 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster (Post 20638950)
Unless the purpose is counting on affiliates to forget to invoice them...

Ding ding ding ding ding! We may have a winner!

Remember, even if that isn't the motive behind these changes, it will surely be the effect. Unless DDF Cash acknowledges that fact and enumerates the steps they plan to take to ensure they don't just "inherit" a bunch of affiliate money, they deserve to be seen as wrongfully taking affiliate funds.

Matyko 11-18-2016 07:25 AM

I finally invoiced them, and got no payment but an email about this invlice shit again, a week after I submitted mine.. It seems that they are also sending out DMCAs to content that does not belong to them at all. crappp :(

Matyko 11-21-2016 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 21310840)
I finally invoiced them, and got no payment but an email about this invlice shit again, a week after I submitted mine.. It seems that they are also sending out DMCAs to content that does not belong to them at all. crappp :(

Important Update: it is NOT DDFCash.com/DDFNetwork.com who is sending out the (fake) DMCAs, it seems Jordan Pryce and her fuckbuddy are doing this crazy retarded show and causing trouble to lots of producers and companies.

GLMBV 11-21-2016 04:23 AM

wow what a bunch of bull just for generating an invoice once a month, takes about 2 minutes to make one..
If we do a payment for anything we always require an invoice, if someone makes this much trouble about sending a basic invoice we know they have something dodgy to hide

beavr 11-21-2016 04:27 AM

That's a legal way to run a business in EU. Why complain?

DDFCashJr 11-21-2016 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 21310840)
I finally invoiced them, and got no payment but an email about this invlice shit again, a week after I submitted mine.. It seems that they are also sending out DMCAs to content that does not belong to them at all. crappp :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 21318268)
Important Update: it is NOT DDFCash.com/DDFNetwork.com who is sending out the (fake) DMCAs, it seems Jordan Pryce and her fuckbuddy are doing this crazy retarded show and causing trouble to lots of producers and companies.

Hello there Matyko

If I got your DDF Cash username correctly from your site, I really Don't see any uploaded invoice attached to your account.

You can send invoice directly to me at [email protected] or add me on Skype anteddf or ICQ 684699867 if you need assistance creating one.

Thank you for your cooperation!

And yes, we are getting this DMCA bulshit from affiliates promoting either Tigerr Benson or Jordan Pryce. We are taking some legal steps here but we can't do much because it's really random email and message.

Looking forward hearing from you soon!

BigFurry 11-21-2016 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GLMBV (Post 21318322)
wow what a bunch of bull just for generating an invoice once a month, takes about 2 minutes to make one..
If we do a payment for anything we always require an invoice, if someone makes this much trouble about sending a basic invoice we know they have something dodgy to hide

Agree. You can do legit business with DDF.

There are a lot of affiliate programs that are reluctant to give you their company name and business address. Hard to do your accounting like that...

axel77 11-23-2016 04:28 AM

They also not responding my emails about Payment.
Btw, whole DDF has been sold last year to different person!
Denis De Francesco is not owner Anymore.

MetaformX 11-23-2016 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by axel77 (Post 21324508)
They also not responding my emails about Payment.
Btw, whole DDF has been sold last year to different person!
Denis De Francesco is not owner Anymore.

Yes, to Xvideos/LegalPorno guys

blackmonsters 11-23-2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 3xmedia (Post 20634321)
links pulled.

Please use this necessary video each time links are pulled.



:1orglaugh

suesheboy 11-23-2016 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20634513)
I receive money multiple times a month from multiple European companies. They all generate the invoice automatically, email it to me, and pay the invoice without any involvement on my side. This can all be easily automated.

This is almost 2016 now and automatic driving vehicles are a real possibility, automated invoices is cake.

This is the simple answer.

Obvious way to rip off aff's

Forkbeard 11-25-2016 06:47 PM

I'd like to point out that it's been a year and I haven't had one single other European program demand an affiliate-generated invoice in order to get paid. Apparently all the Euro-bros were just talking shit out of their mouths about that being the new universal requirement...

poncabare 11-25-2016 06:53 PM

why is this even an issue

xXXtesy10 11-25-2016 10:05 PM

fuck ddf in the ass

marlboroack 11-26-2016 02:08 AM

Did they send d money sir

Flaer 02-12-2017 12:28 AM

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
...
pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

babeterminal 02-12-2017 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaer (Post 21537181)
nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
...
pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

what a disgrace looks like puffycash is going down the same road, greedy eu criminals

Bladewire 02-12-2017 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flaer (Post 21537181)
nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
...
pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

HOLY SHIT! That is fucked up :disgust

j3rkules 02-12-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaer (Post 21537181)
nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
...
pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

This is insane.

Flaer 02-13-2017 12:53 AM

All ddf support emails not works, form for invoices in admin panel also not works...
Wtf ddfcash?

3xmedia 02-13-2017 02:05 AM

glad I stopped promoting them years ago.

Sharon1974 09-09-2018 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaer (Post 21537181)
nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
...
pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

Sorry for bumping this old thread but I was wondering if anyone got the same message this year by mail or whatever??

OneMillionGirls 09-09-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharon1974 (Post 22332787)
Sorry for bumping this old thread but I was wondering if anyone got the same message this year by mail or whatever??

* BUMP * for you.

BigFurry 09-10-2018 04:17 AM

No issues here, they pay quickly after uploading invoices.

Sharon1974 09-10-2018 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22333009)
No issues here, they pay quickly after uploading invoices.

Thanks, I know. But that was not my question :-) Did they send out a warning by the end of 2017 or early 2018 about stealing your money if you do not send them a invoice before a certain date?


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