Muggle. :winkwink:

Ok let's forget centuries ago...
About non-religious fatalities, must give credit to a few nazi or communist dictator for quite some major genocides:

Joseph Stalin - 42,672,000 (+ Vladimir Lenin - 4,017,000)
Mao Zedong - 37,828,000
Adolf Hitler - 20,946,000
Chiang Kai-shek - 10,214,000

However at the internet and facebook times, to do that massive genocides is no more so cool. Terrorism is more suited to modern times.

http://moralarc.org/wp-content/uploa...d-to-Islam.jpg

http://markhumphrys.com/Images/508.png

We got terrorists of various types, let's say separatists or so... but islamic ones are the most fit for growth, because supported by population, unlike genocides supported only by a political elite or dicrator:

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/2015...e-Table-01.png
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/2015...e-Table-03.png
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/2015...e-Table-04.png

In conclusion, none of this would seem possible in the absence of religious devotion to an allegedly all-powerful god.

Falling into the trap ISIS is setting...

To divide the West and Muslims, thus creating new recruits for the coming war.

I saw this video and scare the shit out of me :(

Well, Europe could welcome the Oriental Asians. Buddhists are not a conversionist religion by philosophical nature. The USA and Canada might consider doing the same.

China (PRC) recently reversed their one child policy with a negative growth and an ageing population being the reason given.

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I am skeptical regarding the thesis of that video. It equates QUASI-BIOLOGICAL GROUPINGS LIKE RACE with CULTURE. These are not joined at the hip. Culture is fluid and there are more differences within a 'racial' group than among different groups.

But assuming the video's thesis survives that definitional challenge, there's a PRACTICAL problem as well.

The issue is POWER and CULTURE. ie., who holds the reins regarding the dominant culture.

You only need to look at places like Mexico and the Philippines where a tiny white minority or Chinese minority (in the case of SE Asia) control the levers of cultural self-definition. Ever seen a Telenovela and marveled at the number of blondes? How about the top corporations? Who runs them?

So EVEN IF we accept the dubious assumption that culture is encoded in genetics, even if a certain culture is reduced to a TINY FRACTION of its current numbers, it can still hang on to greater cultural relevance and power.

NUMERICAL REPRESENTATION has never been a BARRIER to effective HEGEMONY.

Otherwise, the 80/20 rule wouldn't exist.

Also, this isn't just a EU or white middle class US problem.... So. Korea, Japan, Singapore, and soon, CHINA would be sharing in the same 'problem'

The truth? WEALTH and EDUCATION are the best CONTRACEPTIVES.

Ignorance, religious dogma (note: different from personal spirituality and experience-based spirituality), and poverty produce population explosions.

If you want to keep different cultures from 'invading', do one thing: Support FREE TRADE and ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY (ie., anyone can have a shot at being a millionaire) within the countries that export their people. You'd be surprised as to how quickly WEALTH and EDUCATION can reduce birth rates.

Besides, is there a LAW that says countries have to have LARGE populations? Isn't it a FACT that most of the WORLD's population that's ever existed are only alive NOW? Ie., the world went through an ALGAL BLOOM due to the discovery of antibiotics....

Maybe, thanks to ROBOTICS/AUTOMATION/breakthroughs in energy production, HUMANITY can go on with a FRACTION of its current population?

I'm just raising issues that go beyond the typical culture politics....

Where do you get those numbers? In 20th century it was about a couple of millions, a few years ago it was 30 millions, today it's 42 millions... What will be tomorrow? A 1 billion I guess?

Population of the Soviet Union in 1926 (before Stalin's repressions): 147 millions
Population of the Soviet Union in 1939 (after Stalin's repressions): 170 millions
Population of the Soviet Union in 1959 (after Stalin's repressions and WWII): 209 millions

Number of Soviet prisoners in 1937 (the year known for Stalin's repressions) aka "GULAG": 1,2 millions
Number of prisoners in the United States in 2013 (just for a comparison of the World's freest country with the USSR during bloody Stalin's regime): more than 1,57 millions

So there are more prisoners in the USA today than Soviet Union has during Stalin's repressions. How come? :upsidedow

Because in Russia you can get away with most things - Just don't talk shit about the people in charge - It's still the case in many ways...

The prisoners under Stalin where mainly political.....

We are talking about bloody Stalin's ages. Believe me, during that period in Soviet Union you would not get away even if you stole a handful of wheat from the field. Go read Soviet history and you'll see that most of prisoners were not political. The one could get a death penalty even for buying/selling of the foreign currency. It was a real strict time, so nobody got away even for lesser crimes (e.g. homosexuality was a crime in the Soviet Union). And even then, the number of prisoners was not as big as in the World's freest country nowadays. So I have to repeat my question: how come?

Now as about the modern Russia.

There is no prison time for a tax evasion for private persons (the companies is a different thing).

A drunk sex is not considered as a rape here, because every person is responsible for itself even when drunk - doesn't matter if you doing sex, robbery, murder or driving a car. If you can't control yourself, just don't drink.

We have very light punishments for economical crimes. Here you can't get a prison time for using of insider information when playing on forex - usually you'll lost your job and will be fined, but not imprisoned like Raj Rajaratnam or Jeffrey Skilling.

You won't get a prison time for doing a small business (e.g. taxi service, selling of food, some goods etc) w/o registering as self employed person in the tax office.

You won't be shot dead or get a prison time for telling "fuck you" to a police officer.

etc...

On the other hand, you won't get away with a murder, robbery, theft, beating someone or a rape (I mean a forced sex, not a drunk one). Oh... we also have no death penalty here. Does it count?

That one's easy to answer: The US' war on drugs



That's why the recent increase in libertarianism is definitely a welcome development.

The drug war translates to a massive pool of people with diminished employment prospects due to their ex-con status which fuels another wave of social pathology.

The PVV does not stand for deporting muslims who live here, this speech is a story of one of their party members to rile things up. This is what they do from time to time, this one is from last year.

What i do agree with is that why a small group is getting the biggest mosques in a western country. The buildings are huge, with prominent spots costing millions of euros. The value of houses near a mosque go way down in value. Nobody who lives here agrees with it, yet it gets ignored what the majority thinks. Because they are not getting built in the neighborhoods where the corrupt politicians live.

That does not explain the situation at all. Here in Russia even smoking spices are a serious crime. In China or Iran they have a death penalty for that.

This is Russian DEA in action:









Do you think these guys arrest not as many junkies as the US police does?

P.S. Forgot to mention it in my previous post. Drugs is a very serious crime in Russia. Almost as serious a murder.

I am not familiar with the Russian penal code but in the US, thanks to '3 strikes' laws and 'Zero tolerance' laws mandating minimum sentences, prisons are filling up quickly. On top of all this, add the PROBATION SYSTEMS' rules and it's very easy to end up back behind bars. Add to this the SYSTEMIC CONFLICT OF INTEREST between the HUGE prison industrial complex and the Correction Officer unions and politicians looking for special interest support to get elected and it's easy to see why there's a heavier focus on PUNISHMENT than REHABILITATION. There's simply more money in it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison...strial_complex

Note my post above. Drug trafficking is like terrorism being prosecuted by FSB (not just a regular police). This means the drug trafficking is one of the worst crimes in Russia. And yes it's also under the 'zero tolerance' law here.

P.S. Seems that Stalin was not as mad towards his people in 1937 as Obama today :)

why don't we ban christianity instead? its the christians that drop 99% of the worlds bombs and do the huge bulk of the terror attacks...

I mean muslims can not hold a candle to the US army, and it seems that christian churches are only a breeding ground for christian terrorists who want to drop bombs on people ect ect...

ooooohh riiiight the western double standard stops you from noticing the huuuuuge disproportion of violence, and you focus only on everybody else and not YOU :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

now carry on and keep doing exactly what ISIS wants you to do you stupid tools LOL and also keep not noticing the real problems in your countries and keep focusing on what they serve you...

now be good little drones and eat up the propaganda :thumbsup

Great CyberSEO changes another thread to the topic of Russia.

You are an idiot metha man. I've just answered to this post: https://gfy.com/20642821-post42.html

Good luck :helpme
This is destined to end badly ...

Sure it will. Because you can't ban one single religious confession if you don't ban the rest ones.

have no idea why you are proud that your people don't have the freedom to ingest any substance they want and alter their consciousness the way they want without harming anyone else.

that is something to be ashamed of. not proud.

iran and china are countries you should not be proud to be associated with when it comes to basic freedoms.

So this thread is about Russia now? What a surprise.

CyberSEO ruins every single thread he posts in.

They have. There is no law that forbids it. But there is a law that forbids drug trafficking. BTW, human trafficking is forbidden too - you are not allowed to buy and sell slaves here ;)

......... ?

So true... Nobody I know vote for this PVV and Amsterdam is such a nice city because it is so open minded and accepts people no matter what they believe or how they look. As long as you respect all the other people as well.

I'm happy to live in a city like this, but i notice that things are changing because lately not everyone has this open mind set anymore and they start judging each other..
Why can't you just leave each other alone...

However, still great place to live!!

That's the point. When I spent 6 weeks there recently I noticed many arab-looking men giving me and the Dutch nationals "dirty looks" and talking amongst themselves and pointing, as if WE were the ones doing something wrong. I even asked several arab men wtf their problem was and why are they STARING at me. Know what they said? "Because you are a blue-eyed devil."

read this..... to see how evil islam is compared to christianity Comparing Jesus and Muhammad, Christianity and Islam

why the crusades : Pope Urban II in Italy pleading for military help against the growing Turkish threat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathem...medieval_Islam mathematics in medieval islam building on greek and indian mahematics

That's what I said...

all major religions have a military! you know that right??

I didn't get it. Smoking spices here are equal to narcotics and if you sell then, you'll be prosecuted in a same way as a drug dealer. What's wrong with that?

short memory? We weren't alive in the 1500s.

So if I put some chili in a pipe and smoke that I would be arrested?..

Some extreme stupid bullshit. Seems that the authors have not read the Bible. Just for example:

The Christian Bible, Deuteronomy, Chapter 13.

P.S. Any questions?

You will not. Only production and distribution is punishable. You can smoke, sniff and inject any shit you want - that's your own life and nobody cares of it. Just don't produce and sell it to others. Is that clear enough or you still need for some additional explanation? ;) I'm not an expert of the US criminal code, but I think they also can't arrest you for just smoking of marijuana.

yes please clarify.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_p...e_Soviet_Union

Drug regulation remained largely untouched in the Soviet Union until 1974, when the Supreme Soviet issued a Decree entitled 'On Reinforcement of the Fight Against Drug Addiction'. This Decree was reproduced in Article 224 of the Penal Codes of all the Republics of the USSR, and not only increased the penalties for the offences mentioned above to between ten to fifteen years' imprisonment, but for the first time criminalised possession of drugs without intent to traffic, bringing a penalty of up to three years in prison. Additional offences of 'seducing another person to narcotic drugs', punishable by up to five years' imprisonment, and the theft of narcotics, punishable by between five to fifteen years' imprisonment, were also created. The term 'narcotics' used here referred to all drugs listed by UN Conventions, not just opiates.

So, I want to make a curry - I want some chili to put in it - It's illegal for someone to sell it to me?..

No wonder Russian food is boring.....






- I'm not going mad am I - This is what he said?..

As I said it was a strict time. However Russia is not Soviet Union and those laws do not work anymore. Why don't you post the Nazi German laws or the American segregation rules of the 20th century? As I said above, in Soviet Union everything was punishable and even then the number of prisoners was less than the United States have today. How come?

Yes it's illegal to sell you narcotics, slaves etc. Sorry, but it's 21th century. Drug and human trafficking are not allowed in my country. Maybe they are allowed in the UK... Try them there then come here and tell us about your achievements ;)

Russian food is cool and tasty, while the English food is real boring and unhealthy. The oatmeal and boiled eggs? Please just kill me :helpme

lol - I have never heard drugs called spice - I think this where the confusion is:1orglaugh...