Crazy thing is if its Middle Eastern terrorist's, then there will be a ground invasion and billions spent, But if its just crazy locals, every one will just move on because its their democratic right to weapons and its an individuals problem.

As far as the police swats waiting, they have the gear at hand, so you use it, time is not of the issue except for the TV watchers.

I would not hurry to the car with bomb))

So the only thing I can see so far is that the US SWAT is absolutely useful in such situation. Useful and overpaid.

I feel for the killed and injured people of course. That's terrible. I just don't understand why the suspects in that car are still not arrested and questioned...

I would not too. We are not pro's and we are not paid for that.

Funny to watch the useless police going house to house looking for suspects but forgetting to look under cars or in cabins.

I wouldn't say it's funny, because "funny" can not be applied to this tragic situation. Personally I'm a bit shocked by the police feebleness.

Ok, feeble. Wrong terminology.

maybe the police should have trained by smashing beer bottles over their head first.

How do you know police aren't looking under cars or in cabins?

There were multiple gunmen with assault rifles, body armor and masks. They killed over 10 people and were not injured in any way. They fled, but only for a small distance, and then engaged police. It seems as if this was an operation.

Maybe a bottle or maybe a much harder thing. Something should be switched in their heads to make them act faster and be more certain. Sorry for such a rude comment, but I'm tired of watching at their silly moves around of that minivan during all that time.

I am watching the live feed.

Gunmen weren't entirely successful.

They left behind a few developmentally challenged people in this thread.

Why would the gunman be less then 2 miles from scene hours after they fled by suv? Sure hope swat didn't shoot some innocent people.

We all know they shoot first, think later.

So it could be just a regular drug dealer or an ethnic street gang member. As far I understand they are still not sure who was inside...

Wow, Dwight. What a bozo lmao ...

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Yea, makes no sense.. I could see if it was a single shooter who wanted to go back to see his handy work, but 3 guys going back?

What about street gang members? Also how they already know it was a pipe bomb but not a standard military grenade (like M61, M67, RGD-5 etc)? I mean it will take some time for experts to make the final conclusion. Isn't it?

Anyways, let's hope the killed one was one of those mofos. And let's hope at least one of 3 will be taken alive to be questioned.

Name one other place in the world where mass shootings occur so frequently :(

Mickey and Mini need a gun then!

Cyberseo
The only reason in Russia or most countries for that matter would of stormed the vehicle is they don't have the equipment at hand. Its not a sign of how great and brave you are, its a sign of being under funded, under equipped and under trained. Your police/ swat would have to storm the vehicle, because they have no choice, especially once comrade has given the order.

I don't understand what kind of equipment you are talking about. They have the same type of equipment as Israeli anti-terror forces (all those stunning grenades, gas, armor, cornershots, robots etc) and they both are considered the most trained in the World. Personally I don't know more trained and equipped anti-terror forces like Israeli and Russian ones - both our countries are at an intensive war on terror for many years. Russian Spetsnaz is one of the most recognized anti-terror forces, while the Australian one is just unknown. It looks like you stuck in 50's of the last century... They storm terrorist cars to get the suspects alive (if possible) as soon as possible.

But per capita, a more realistic measurement:
http://static.ijreview.com/wp-conten...9_43_12-PM.jpg

No numbers stand out in that at all to you?

Probably not a good idea to storm a vehicle that's just been shooting at you with assault weapons and throwing pipe bombs at you, especially if you not sure the car is wired or if they occupants are actually dead.

So when will they begin the psychiatric evaluations of congress?

What should they do? Wait for a 3-4 days till those will die because of dehydration? No, they do it somehow like this - that's an arrest of the professional assassin group (those were killing people for money and course they were armed and dangerous). There is a ton of such videos on youtube.

Did they wait 3-4 days? was the person in the car already dead? If there were suspected bombs left at the crime scene, and pipe bombs had been thrown during the pursuit wouldn't even the gloryass Spetsnaz take a little caution, or are you just saying the are plain stupid?

Youtube is your friend. There is a ton of real life counter terror videos from the Northern Caucasus. Just watch them.

It was a sarcasm on MrBaldBastard's post. Sometimes waiting for a minute can be critical.

Every single Muslim praying it's a group of white militia right now

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So the third guy was not in the suv, he was seen ruining at the scene and has been detained. Both perps in the suv were shot and killed in a shootout a guy and girl.

It seems... As the investigation has unfolded, there was a number of potential suspects they started looking into. Police staked out locations while getting warrants, and a black SUV attempted to leave. Police attempted to pull them over which ended up in a gun battle.

Why would the gunmen be less than two miles from the scene? Because they lived locally. This doesn't seemed to have been something they planned; They went to a party / office event, there was an argument, they left and returned armed like Rambo. They did not have an escape plan - gunmen rarely do - and after the shooting they had no place to go.

The cops got a tip about a house in redlands annd when they pulled up the suv was leaving, a high speed chase ensued then the shootout.

They left explosive devices at the first bldg though. FBI has not ruled out terrorism.

There was some kind of an explosive device at the original shooting, and potentially a second explosive device when the suspects were killed. Once there is an explosive device involved it's just common sense to take your time and make sure there isn't another explosive device or some kind of booby trap.

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Setting a body trap in the car under fire in 3 meters away from the both sides? The one must be a David Copperfield to do that.

This is your problem Cyber where you take one bit of news and then twist it to what ever you want.. tis the Russian media way right? btw I'm not Australian just choose to live here.

Australian cops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPEGxdal5V4
And yeah guy had a suspected bomb and they just go right in, why? you can even see them removing it by hand. Smart cops, Russian, American, Israelis, Australian, Timbuktu, will react to any given situation with the information at hand. Armed with possible explosives is not something anyone jumps into.. well except this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWCSGFXHwRA

I don't watch Russian media. Only TV Rain, but it's focused on Russia and does not translate life news from other countries. So tonight I was watching BBC (tried to switch to CNN, DW etc, but BBC was the best IMHO).

Sorry, but that was real silly. A bunch of cops (10?) were arresting one single guy. Sorry but they look like hmm... So slow and unprofessional. If you guys had something like a Northern Caucasian region in your country, you would understand what I'm talking about. Your SWAT is just a bunch of amateur kids comparing to Russian or Israeli ones. Even Turkish counter terror forces look a head over of yours (hint: youtube). Sorry, but that's a truth.

I know that an explosion of a standard handheld grande like F-1 can hit the one with a shrapnel up to 100 meters in any direction. A safe distance is 200 meters. But why did you ask?

CyberSEO is a fucking drunk twit. Why do any of you try to reason with an unreasonable fool?

Please read my post about it above. Ok, it's 6 am here. Let's continue this dialogue tomorrow. I'm out.