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slapass 12-07-2015 06:11 AM

i think you are ignoring race. I see a large correlation with racism and gun ownership.

nico-t 12-07-2015 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20659214)
like usual you add nothing to the conversation :Oh crap

Do you racialize you are racializing every racial story while non racializing people are racializing because of the racial headline?

iSpyCams 12-07-2015 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20659212)

Interesting stats. I did notice something very interesting, to me at least, it seems that over the time period those stats covered, the number of people refusing to answer the question tripled, as did the number of people claiming their personal guns were "missing".

A few (3 or 4) years ago I lived in Illinois and had to get a FOID card to own a gun, I was told at the time the permits were taking months to issue because Illinois was swamped with applications. There were similar reports from around the country that application processing was backed up.

I notice that increasingly, the media is trying to make us think everyone is on board for stuff so we feel like we should be too.

"everyone supports this, everyone supports that" Where are these people that are supporting this and that? I can't seem to find them but the phone operator doing the survey did, so I guess they are out there, at least they claim to be.

I don't have a lot of faith in polls, I used to run phone campaigns for a living and it seems like increasingly, it's a special kind of person who will participate in a phone survey, most likely not a solid representation of the majority. I can't tell how this poll was conducted or what the total number of respondents were from the .pdf but I think the trebling of respondents refusing to say whether they had a gun and the trebling of respondents claiming their guns were missing is at least as interesting as the decline. I mean if 3% of your respondents flat out refuse to answer, how many others are straight lying?

Also as far as the white to black aspect of gun ownership, we hear a lot about disproportionate prosecution and incarceration of black males, which generally makes it illegal for them to own guns, either temporarily or permanently. This would obviously directly impact the % of black men who own a gun and will admit it to a stranger.

So not saying those polls are wrong, but they may be telling us more than they intend to.

dyna mo 12-07-2015 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20658893)
When are you counting from, and what are you calling a mass shooting?

I am talking about incidents where 4 or more people were murdered, not in the course of another crime being committed and not in a conflict over sovereignty. - basically people just shot for the hell of it.

In that regard, there are 7 European countries leading the US in both body count and frequency of attacks since 2009. These include:

Norway, Macedonia, Serbia, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium and the Czech Republic.

And from 1993 to 2013 gun related homicides in the US fell from 7 deaths per 100,000 people to 3.6. Not sure what the date for 2014 and 2015 show, but special interest groups like bloomberg and mother jones like to include suicides and other non violent crime statistics to prop up their agenda.

Rate of Mass Shootings Has Tripled Since 2011, Harvard Research Shows | Mother Jones

Sednub997 12-07-2015 10:09 AM

The guns pop-up like mushroom is Us :pimp

tossi-c 12-07-2015 10:14 AM

Students... both..

baddog 12-07-2015 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 20657766)
You're talking legally right? Most white gun owners are legal gun owners.

Now black gun owners...that's a different story. :1orglaugh

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slapass 12-07-2015 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20659643)
Interesting stats. I did notice something very interesting, to me at least, it seems that over the time period those stats covered, the number of people refusing to answer the question tripled, as did the number of people claiming their personal guns were "missing".

A few (3 or 4) years ago I lived in Illinois and had to get a FOID card to own a gun, I was told at the time the permits were taking months to issue because Illinois was swamped with applications. There were similar reports from around the country that application processing was backed up.

I notice that increasingly, the media is trying to make us think everyone is on board for stuff so we feel like we should be too.

"everyone supports this, everyone supports that" Where are these people that are supporting this and that? I can't seem to find them but the phone operator doing the survey did, so I guess they are out there, at least they claim to be.

I don't have a lot of faith in polls, I used to run phone campaigns for a living and it seems like increasingly, it's a special kind of person who will participate in a phone survey, most likely not a solid representation of the majority. I can't tell how this poll was conducted or what the total number of respondents were from the .pdf but I think the trebling of respondents refusing to say whether they had a gun and the trebling of respondents claiming their guns were missing is at least as interesting as the decline. I mean if 3% of your respondents flat out refuse to answer, how many others are straight lying?

Also as far as the white to black aspect of gun ownership, we hear a lot about disproportionate prosecution and incarceration of black males, which generally makes it illegal for them to own guns, either temporarily or permanently. This would obviously directly impact the % of black men who own a gun and will admit it to a stranger.

So not saying those polls are wrong, but they may be telling us more than they intend to.

I was also thinking only the dumbest criminal uses his own gun to commit a crime. So those guns are almost always bought illegally or stolen. So this would make the most sense to focus on if you wanted to reduce violent crimes that use a gun. Even the NRA could get behind that.

slapass 12-07-2015 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20660148)
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I know tons of people with guns. I don't think I know more then a couple of people who do it legally.

HeadPimp 01-03-2016 09:28 AM

How they define a mass shooting has changed...


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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20658249)
Mass shootings have tripled in the last 3 years.


Penny24Seven 01-03-2016 05:35 PM

and who sells the most crack in America? Yeah I know, what the fuck is your point LOL, why make it about race man, I mean yeah I know it's what you do but that is just how it is. Whitey likes his guns. Black guys play more basketball. Who cares what each does, No matter what there will always be one doing more than the other at something.
You need to learn to love all colors and your life will become a better place.
Not the hate filled gang related blue santa looking killer most see you as but the sweet and loving BrassMonkey that you really are.
Dude lets hug and show GFY we can make this place grand.
No wait fuck it you racist asshole

Oh shit and by the way Fiddy and I didn't even know it

nico-t 01-04-2016 06:33 AM

it shows 55 replies on homepage but there are only 51 :(

j3rkules 01-04-2016 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by $money$ (Post 20658218)

:1orglaugh

Penny24Seven 01-04-2016 07:40 AM

Why does it say 57 replies when it is showing 53?


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