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MiamiBoyz 03-07-2016 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20754319)
The "white" poor experience can be even bleaker. Rural poor are isolated as far as any type of social services and transportation assistance.

Indeed...try living in a country where your skin color is associated with privilege and success and yet be an outsider of that very group. Much of the USA white population is like that.

Case in point:



It should also be kept in mind that making sweeping statements for a country with 300 million people and a vast range of different living conditions that greatly vary from region to region is not possible with any accuracy that would stand up to scrutiny.

Rochard 03-07-2016 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20753887)
You had a car.

:2 cents:

Barely.

I don't care what color anyone is. Anyone can get a job and move ahead in life. I see forty year old assholes who are still working entry level jobs.

dyna mo 03-07-2016 12:50 PM

wait, so now the gainfully employed are assholes if they're 40 years old and working what looks to be an entry level job to a 50 year old dating site affiliate manager?

mahoney 03-07-2016 01:09 PM

Thank God, this communist jack ass doesn't stand a chance of being elected.
To say there is no poor white people is absolutely not true. Don't try and make excuses
for what he should have said or what he meant to say. I don't believe that he believes what he's saying. He's just trying to secure the black vote. What a fucking idiot. I can't wait until Trump is elected and this country get's back on track. :2 cents:

Yanks_Todd 03-07-2016 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 20754316)
I would LOVE to hear how the "poor" white experience is compared to a dream of the black on. Please enlighten me!


Yawn.....from lame insult to asking me to clarify my position. How have you been on GFY as long as you have been and you still are so bad at this? No seriously how?

MetaMan 03-07-2016 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd (Post 20754730)
Yawn, from lame insult to asking me to clarify my position. How have you been on GFY as long as you have been? No seriously how?

O ya that's right you can't explain your opinion. Because it's fucking retarded.

dyna mo 03-07-2016 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mahoney (Post 20754577)
Thank God, this communist jack ass doesn't stand a chance of being elected.
To say there is no poor white people is absolutely not true. Don't try and make excuses
for what he should have said or what he meant to say. I don't believe that he believes what he's saying. He's just trying to secure the black vote. What a fucking idiot. I can't wait until Trump is elected and this country get's back on track. :2 cents:

i'm not making excuses for Bernie Sanders. I'm simply trying to understand what he is trying to say, not misunderstand what he is trying to say. when watching his entire answer it's very clear his points are re: police racism and the for-profit and broken criminal justice/prison system.

just like i can get where Trump is coming from when he says some of the things he says. i don't necessarily agree with them, in fact, i don't agree with a lot of them. i do happen to agree with Bernie Sanders that we have a cop problem in America and a for-profit prison problem as well.

Paul Markham 03-07-2016 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20753515)
He was attempting to make a greater point and didn't phrase it correctly is all.

I'm white and I'll continue to back Bernie with gusto.

No he hit is spot on.

In the 60s, I was a full-blown hippy and lost count of the times I was stopped and searched for drugs.

We hear of countless times when Blacks are pulled over for the slightest of reasons or just suspicions and the police have no real evidence.

Walk around with a crowbar and a bag containing metal objects and see how far you get before being stopped. A person can't change their colour.

mahoney 03-07-2016 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20754772)
i'm not making excuses for Bernie Sanders. I'm simply trying to understand what he is trying to say, not misunderstand what he is trying to say. when watching his entire answer it's very clear his points are re: police racism and the for-profit and broken criminal justice/prison system.

just like i can get where Trump is coming from when he says some of the things he says. i don't necessarily agree with them, in fact, i don't agree with a lot of them. i do happen to agree with Bernie Sanders that we have a cop problem in America and a for-profit prison problem as well.


Oh...Bull Fucking Shit there is no cop problem. The Whole "Black Lives Matter" movement is a bunch of Crap. "Hands up don't shoot" never happened. 99.5 % of Arrests don't result in fatal shootings by Police officers but the race baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson want you to believe it's open season on the black man. They act like white cops are hunting down African American men and shooting them for no reason which is completely false. Yes, there is a few bad apples here and there but it's not the epidemic African Americans make it out to be. If you don't want to get shot by Police don't act like a fucking idiot and resist arrest or try to grab a cops gun and charge at him like Michael Brown in Ferguson. If they really care about black lives why don't they seem to care about all the black on black crime in Chicago? Black lives only seem to matter when shot by a White Officer. Give me a break. So Sick of this False narrative. :mad:

escorpio 03-07-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd (Post 20753998)
I agree. I think he was trying to say that the white poor experience is still a dream compared to the black one.

That would make him wrong and a racist. :2 cents:

dyna mo 03-07-2016 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mahoney (Post 20754826)
Oh...Bull Fucking Shit there is no cop problem. The Whole "Black Lives Matter" movement is a bunch of Crap. "Hands up don't shoot" never happened. 99.5 % of Arrests don't result in fatal shootings by Police officers but the race baiters like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson want you to believe it's open season on the black man. They act like white cops are hunting down African American men and shooting them for no reason which is completely false. Yes, there is a few bad apples here and there but it's not the epidemic African Americans make it out to be. If you don't want to get shot by Police don't act like a fucking idiot and resist arrest or try to grab a cops gun and charge at him like Michael Brown in Ferguson. If they really care about black lives why don't they seem to care about all the black on black crime in Chicago? Black lives only seem to matter when shot by a White Officer. Give me a break. So Sick of this False narrative. :mad:

i have a home in Los Angeles and i've also researched police violence in-depth. Locally, i'm more likely to get shot (and killed) by LAPD than by a non-police person. the militarization of the police nationally is well-documented. police on citizen violence is more than fully-documented, it's been acknowledged as very real by even the police forces being scrutinized, both in the public and by the feds. cities as varied as chicago and albuquerque have recognized their own similar cop problems. those are not exaggerations and they certainly are not my opinion. those are simply SOME of the facts.

i'm not trying to sell you on the cop problem in America, because there is simply no need to, it doesn't matter if you realize it or not. i'm simply pointing out it's been fully realized by many of us.

Tubthumper 03-07-2016 02:35 PM

If white people don't know what it's like to be poor, why does Bernie think they need free college and a higher minimum wage?

blackmonsters 03-07-2016 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20754451)
Barely.

I don't care what color anyone is. Anyone can get a job and move ahead in life. I see forty year old assholes who are still working entry level jobs.

Poverty is much more than a lack of money in one's pocket.

If Bernie was giving me that talk personally he would have said this instead :

"You can be broke as hell my friend but you will never be poor."

He means that I'm

- well mannered
- highly educated
- tall, good looking
- articulate
- cultured
- experienced in fine dinning, clothing
- well traveled
- outgoing, interesting
- etc

And all those things combined means that when I'm broke I'm still employable and
will not be broke for long.

He only broke it down by race because poverty is higher in minority neighborhoods.
He's saying the awareness of poverty is higher in those neighborhoods.
His statement was slightly hyperbolic and not to be taken exactly literally.

Think of his statement in the same way as if a pornstar told us that we don't know what pussy is.

:1orglaugh

Mr Pheer 03-07-2016 03:03 PM

You have to live in a ghetto to be poor?

What about rural areas without ghettos, people there cant be poor because nobody built them a ghetto yet?

mahoney 03-07-2016 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20754862)
i have a home in Los Angeles and i've also researched police violence in-depth. Locally, i'm more likely to get shot (and killed) by LAPD than by a non-police person. the militarization of the police nationally is well-documented. police on citizen violence is more than fully-documented, it's been acknowledged as very real by even the police forces being scrutinized, both in the public and by the feds. cities as varied as chicago and albuquerque have recognized their own similar cop problems. those are not exaggerations and they certainly are not my opinion. those are simply SOME of the facts.

i'm not trying to sell you on the cop problem in America, because there is simply no need to, it doesn't matter if you realize it or not. i'm simply pointing out it's been fully realized by many of us.

WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS TO BACK UP YOUR STATEMENT ? POST THEM IF YOU HAVE THEM BUT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXIST. HERE ARE SOME FACTS TO BACK UP WHAT I SAID.

5 Devastating Facts About Black-on-Black Crime - Breitbart

FACT 1. Over 1,400 more black Americans murdered other blacks in two years than were lynched from 1882 to 1968.

According to FBI data, 4,906 black people murdered other blacks in 2010 and 2011. That is 1,460 more black Americans killed by other blacks in two years than were lynched from 1882 to 1968, according to the Tuskegee Institute.

FACT 2. Black People (mostly men) commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime.

In 2012, white males were 38 percent of the population and committed 4,582 murders. That same year, black males were just 6.6 percent of the population but committed a staggering 5,531 murders.

In other words: black people?at just a fifth of the size?committed almost 1,000 more murders than their white counterparts.

The figures above highlight a horrific truth that black racialists and white liberals routinely ignore: Lawbreaking black Americans, young black males particularly, put themselves in close proximity to (mostly white male) police officers at rates sometimes five to 10 times higher than whites. This is a recipe for disaster. Thusly?.

FACT 3. Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years.

DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, black people committed 52% of homicides.

In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent.

There are five times fewer black people than white people in America and, yet, they consistently carry out a larger share of the crimes? Given this rate, it?s no wonder that there aren?t more assistances where cops kill black criminals.

FACT 4. Chicago?s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined.

There have been almost as many deaths in one American city as there have been in the two major wars carried out by the U.S. military this century.

Chicago?s death toll from 2001?November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

FACT 5. It would take cops 40 years to kill as many black men as have died at the hands of others black men in 2012 alone.

University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI?s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012.

Professor Johnson?s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

dyna mo 03-07-2016 06:35 PM

you're obviously reading more into my statement than it is. What i stated is we have a cop problem in America, regardless of black on black crime.

again, i'm not here to sell you that fact and i certainly do not need you to agree with me.

Relentless 03-07-2016 08:49 PM

To paraphrase Chris Rock.... I don't think a single poor white person would rather be middle class and black.

ITraffic 03-07-2016 08:52 PM

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mahoney 03-07-2016 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20755519)
you're obviously reading more into my statement than it is. What i stated is we have a cop problem in America, regardless of black on black crime.

again, i'm not here to sell you that fact and i certainly do not need you to agree with me.

I understand what you're saying but your statement is simply not true and you have no concrete evidence or facts to back it up PERIOD...THE END. If you want to talk about real problems talk about the black on black crime. That is the REAL problem in the black community not the cops but nobody wants to talk about that. Not even Al Sharpton or Obama will touch that with a 10 Foot pole.

dyna mo 03-07-2016 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mahoney (Post 20755858)
I understand what you're saying but your statement is simply not true and you have no concrete evidence or facts to back it up PERIOD...THE END. If you want to talk about real problems talk about the black on black crime. That is the REAL problem in the black community not the cops but nobody wants to talk about that. Not even Al Sharpton or Obama will touch that with a 10 Foot pole.

problems aren't mutually exclusive. i happen to think the cop problem is a bigger problem that black on black crime.

and it is a fact that LAPD kills more people that people kill people. it is a fact that police departments across the country are becoming militarized, fuck, my alma mater University , UC Berkeley has a bomb squad and one of those military transports from Iraq.

personally, and this may seem selfish, but i couldn't give 1 single fuck about black on black crime. that sort of crime impacts me not 1 fucking iotta. i am concerned about shit head cops being shit heads. that does, and has, impacted me. i am concerned about pot smokers getting felony sentences to fill up for-profit prisons. i am concerned about fuckwad politicians that support all of that. those are many of the reasons why i've picked Sanders to be my guy. not because of his [socialist] ideals, but because of where he stands on certain issues that are important to me personally, not saying you should also have the same concerns. i am saying i don't identify as a socialist and never have, although i rather identify as a socialist these days than a liberal and there's a big difference between the two.

mahoney 03-07-2016 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20755879)
problems aren't mutually exclusive. i happen to think the cop problem is a bigger problem that black on black crime.

and it is a fact that LAPD kills more people that people kill people. it is a fact that police departments across the country are becoming militarized, fuck, my alma mater University , UC Berkeley has a bomb squad and one of those military transports from Iraq.

personally, and this may seem selfish, but i couldn't give 1 single fuck about black on black crime. that sort of crime impacts me not 1 fucking iotta. i am concerned about shit head cops being shit heads. that does, and has, impacted me. i am concerned about pot smokers getting felony sentences to fill up for-profit prisons. i am concerned about fuckwad politicians that support all of that. those are many of the reasons why i've picked Sanders to be my guy. not because of his [socialist] ideals, but because of where he stands on certain issues that are important to me personally, not saying you should also have the same concerns. i am saying i don't identify as a socialist and never have, although i rather identify as a socialist these days than a liberal and there's a big difference between the two.


LOL..what the fuck are you talking about? Did you even read your post before you clicked "submit" ? Explain what this means "and it is a fact that LAPD kills more people that people kill people" What are you basing this so called "fact" on? Back it up with some evidence or stats not just your opinion but first clarify that sentence if you even can.

You can think whatever you want but the Facts are the Facts and cops killing black people isn't a significant problem. The stats are the stats and your opinion is not reality.

As far as Bernie Sanders goes...#1 He will NEVER get elected THANK GOD and #2 If he did Corporations would Flee America and we would become Venezuela. Are you even aware of what happened in Venezuela ? If you want to live in a socialist country move to one. Enjoy paying 90% in Taxes. It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about :error

mahoney 03-07-2016 11:11 PM

and by the way pot smokers are NOT getting felony sentences. Jesus Christ.
Where do you get this crap?

Yanks_Todd 03-08-2016 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20754841)
That would make him wrong and a racist. :2 cents:

Racism is how people are treated and how analysis is used in regards to them. The analysis itself it not racist if it is factual. Do you really think that the white and black experience in the U.S. are equal? If so you would probably be in a very small minority.

Yanks_Todd 03-08-2016 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20755801)
To paraphrase Chris Rock.... I don't think a single poor white person would rather be middle class and black.


Bingo! :thumbsup

Yanks_Todd 03-08-2016 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20755519)
you're obviously reading more into my statement than it is. What i stated is we have a cop problem in America, regardless of black on black crime.

again, i'm not here to sell you that fact and i certainly do not need you to agree with me.

Stop posting things that make me agree with you. :thumbsup

Paul Markham 03-08-2016 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20754841)
That would make him wrong and a racist. :2 cents:

No it would make him right. The statistics prove it.

Paul Markham 03-08-2016 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tubthumper (Post 20754874)
If white people don't know what it's like to be poor, why does Bernie think they need free college and a higher minimum wage?

That's not what he's saying. He's saying it's worse if you're black.

Paul Markham 03-08-2016 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mahoney (Post 20755489)
WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS TO BACK UP YOUR STATEMENT ? POST THEM IF YOU HAVE THEM BUT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXIST. HERE ARE SOME FACTS TO BACK UP WHAT I SAID.

Agreed with all your facts. What we need to be doing is looking into why these figures are like they are.

Classing people by colour is not representative until it's compared to income and circumstances. Could it be White people in the same income bracket, environment, education level commit a similar number of crimes?

What are the odds a black lawyer in a top range car will be pulled over more often than a white lawyer in the same car?

What are the odds a black upper-middle-class college student will get lower degrees than a white Student with the same background?

And so on.

muthisdev 03-08-2016 02:06 AM

The circle jerk here is hilarious, as always.

Magnetron 03-08-2016 05:03 AM

There's a vast difference between growing up poor in the rural Illinois and growing up poor in Cabrini Greens.

You can grow your own food, fish in the creek, hang your laundry out on a line, burn your trash, walk around in a yard, nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile down the road, he has a shotgun instead of a 9MM ......

CaptainHowdy 03-08-2016 05:09 AM

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Magnetron 03-08-2016 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20756518)
There's a vast difference between growing up poor in the rural Illinois and growing up poor in Cabrini Greens.

You can grow your own food, fish in the creek, hang your laundry out on a line, burn your trash, walk around in a yard, nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile down the road, he has a shotgun instead of a 9MM ......

Although that was 40 years ago .........

Nowadays if someone's shed goes up in flames there's a good chance it was a meth lab.

Jigster715 03-08-2016 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tubthumper (Post 20753017)
  • there are no poor white people
  • Trump supporters are all white trash uneducated people

Time to pick one, Bernie.




Any white person still voting for Bernie Sanders after his comment is completely hopeless.

Bernie means Hell in Topeka. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Grapesoda 03-08-2016 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20754319)
The "white" poor experience can be even bleaker. Rural poor are isolated as far as any type of social services and transportation assistance.

No need to go out there its only white people

BlackCrayon 03-08-2016 09:25 AM


Barry-xlovecam 03-08-2016 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by muthisdev (Post 20756206)
The circle jerk here is hilarious, as always.

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beerptrol 03-08-2016 09:49 AM

Surprised he's never been to or heard about some of the areas in the The Appalachian Region. Those are some of the poorest people I've ever seen in the USA

ilnjscb 03-08-2016 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 20753572)
It's "weird" that in a country of 300+ million people that there is areas with poor white people?

You watch way to many movies.

it is spelled "too" you dipshit, second, it was just incongruous, because it is uncommon. Most poor whites are rural.

dyna mo 03-08-2016 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mahoney (Post 20755978)
LOL..what the fuck are you talking about? Did you even read your post before you clicked "submit" ? Explain what this means "and it is a fact that LAPD kills more people that people kill people" What are you basing this so called "fact" on? Back it up with some evidence or stats not just your opinion but first clarify that sentence if you even can.

You can think whatever you want but the Facts are the Facts and cops killing black people isn't a significant problem. The stats are the stats and your opinion is not reality.

As far as Bernie Sanders goes...#1 He will NEVER get elected THANK GOD and #2 If he did Corporations would Flee America and we would become Venezuela. Are you even aware of what happened in Venezuela ? If you want to live in a socialist country move to one. Enjoy paying 90% in Taxes. It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about :error

Racist shitstain, you seem to think I give a fuck about you. Heads up, i dont. you're nothing more than a piece of shit that can't figure out I don't owe you jack fucking shit. You have a problem with my view while I do not give 1 single fuck about your view.

MetaMan 03-08-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 20757609)
it is spelled "too" you dipshit, second, it was just incongruous, because it is uncommon. Most poor whites are rural.

Ooo spell check 5000. I'm sure with your 3 credits in English class from your community college means you understand the world!

Most poor whites are rural? Are you fucking dumb? With millions in population living in the cities you think majority of poor whites live in rural areas? You liberal idiots are hilarious.

You defend a guy who says whites dont know what its like to be poor. And the best argument you have is spell check.


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