I'm pretty sure that all of us EXCEPT Mark Prince studied history in school.

We were all taught that the Earth has warmed and cooled over and over again throughout time.
It's amazing that anyone is falling for the scam of "man-made" climate change.

The "Little Ice Age" ended in the 1860's. The Earth is NATURALLY warming up a bit from that.

And again to be very clear: The Average Global Temperature has only risen 0.85 Degrees Celsius since 1880

That's all.

And also to be very clear: EVERY prediction that has been made about this since the 1970's has been COMPLETELY WRONG.

When does the stupidity stop?

Ok braniac. Answer me this.

When cars burn off gas the gas rises up into the sky, eventually into outer space and into the sun. Tell me what happens when gasoline hits fire? Sun/fire gas/sun

Now think about billions of cars burning fuel sending gas to the sun. Imagine the heat increase. You are going to tell me billions of cars (man made) pollution doesnt cause the temp to heat up? Thats ridiculous!

OMG! I didn't consider that! We are literally making the sun hotter with our excess space gas!

Get Mark Prince on this immediately!

This is a great new revenue stream for Al Gore!

Hey Mark lets not give these big business oil burning loving idiots an inch.

To me its clear El Niño is made up by the oil companies as a trick to try to convince the sheep that weather patterns happen naturally.

Me and you arent sheep like these other idiots on here. I'm with you the entire way buddy!

I can't wait to start planting avocado, lime and banana trees around my property in Boise!

Fucking Big Oil :mad:

I hope President Obama gets on his solar powered Air Force One and flies to Big Oil's hometown and rides over in his solar powered limousine with the 30 solar powered SUVS that always accompany his motorcade and gives them a stern talking to. :mad:

Robbie: It's SCIENCE CLASS you should have been paying attention in.

Of course the earth's temperature has risen and fallen. The point is that in the past it went up and down naturally due to forces outside of anyone's control, and did so over millions of years. Today though it is rising because of forces within our control. Even worse, the rise in temperature is happening a lot faster, and the effects of this will be a disaster possibly experienced by you and me, but definitely experienced by our kids and grand kids, unless we do something today.

It's very simple Robbie. The cost of a litre of gas does not include the cost of damage to the environment and illness it causes people. The cost of a kilogram of hamburger meat does not include the cost of environmental damage done by factory farming.

The cost of the damage is showing up in other places. It is showing up in extreme temperatures, extreme weather, coastal flooding, and the death of the oceans. It's showing up in higher medical costs, and more people getting sick.

Take your head out of the sand. Scientists everywhere are raising the alarm bells, but again, you the great Robbie, have convinced yourself that you know better than all of them. Very sad.

It doesn't. We are just going to go further and further into the rabbit hole until the shit hits the fan. There are going to be a lot of bankrupt countries with inadequate energy supply and a lot of pissed off people. And all for nothing.


Well, they did grow grapes in England during the Roman times.



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Wow! What a bunch of regurgitated tripe and nonsense. Why don't you just stand on a street corner with a sign hanging over your shoulders that reads "the end is near"?



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My heating gas and related electricity use was down 20% so I put 20% less CO2 (carbon) in the air -- ain't life great!

self healing spiral down?

Is this one of the methods by which you wish to "control" the environment?

Delaying future sea-level rise by storing water in Antarctica

You people are certifiably nuts and you need to be stopped before you actually destroy the planet while trying to "save" it.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."



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holy shit i almost spit out my coffee.

I have a buddy like this, the second he realizes he can't keep up with the conversation. It always boils back to his imaginary points how he "cares" so much about mankind and the world more than everyone else.

Hi Eon,

By control, I mean it is we humans that are causing the rise in the temperature. And by control, I mean because it is within our power to to stop it from happening.


I'm sure you care as much as your friend does and I do. What I'm attempting to do is have a serious conversation on the subject. It's not necessary to get emotional or political even.

Think about it like this. Everyone on GFY uses impressive technology to run their businesses, technology that was unheard of 25 years ago. To our parents and grandparents, we might all be seen as tech wizards or at least, pretty dam smart. The science on climate change including all of its data is here at our fingertips. Surely a bunch of smart people like you and me that care about the planet, like you and me, can discuss the issue, no?

Hey Robby:

I have a question for you.

When your car burns gas, where do you think the exhaust goes?

Ya, they supposedly care about people and the environment more than everyone else but they don't seem to care when:
- granny can no longer afford to pay her electricty bill so she freezes in the dark;
- when businesses close because their energy costs are too high;
- when people are starving because we are burning food for fuel;
- when we are clearcutting forests to grow the biofuels in the previous point;
- when orangutans are endangered because of the previous two points;
- when deforestation actually does more harm than the problem they are trying to correct;
- etc., etc.....


There is zero proof that we are causing the rise in temperature. There is zero proof that the temperature rise is a problem. There is zero proof that we can do anything about one way or another.

To assume that we can stop the temperature from rising is to assume that natural climate variability has stopped completely and that we are the sole cause of it from here on out. Are you prepared to make that claim?


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No, you're mistaken. There is lots of proof. In basic terms, we are producing gasses such as Carbon Dioxide and Methane. Both of these are called "greenhouse gasses" because they rise high into the atmosphere and trap much of the heat that is usually radiated by planet into space, and instead is reflected back down. Since less heat can escape, more heat remains in our environment, slowly raising the average temperature.

We are also cutting down trees at crazy rate. Trees absorb Carbon Dioxide from the air. Less CO2 means less heat reflecting back.

What are doing 2 really bad things at the same time. We're polluting more, and simultaneously making it harder for the earth to heal itself.


Yes it is a big problem. A warmer climate means less ice arctic ice, shorter winters, stronger storms, more flooding in some places and more drought in other places. The cost of all of these things means some people lose property or crops, or suffer more damage than they should. It also means changing migration patterns for animals, loss of sea life, etc.

It's looking pretty bleak for sure, and some scientists are already saying its too late, but I don't want to give up yet. I'm pretty sure there are lots of things that we can do to help at least first slow down the rate of increase, and then maybe, hopefully, reverse the trend.



Sort of, but let me break up what you said a little to clarify my beliefs on each issue.

You said:
These 2 things are not necessarily in lock step. I think that the climate is changing naturally, but slowly, all on its own. I also think that we are contributing to that change.


You said:
We may or may not be the sole cause, but lets say that we are not - it does not matter. If the climate is getting warmer and disastrous in the (near) future, then it makes sense to for us today to try to find a way to prevent it or at least, reduce the impact. Speaking in strict financial terms, we would save a lot of money, and new industries born from it would create more jobs, etc.

Mark, please don't speak to me like I'm in day 1 of your indoctrination camp. Not to be offensive but you seem very naive, misinformed and gullible. It all comes across as very Orwellian and you just ramp up the doublespeak whenever someone tries to counter one of your points. If you honestly think that that's all there is to how the atmosphere works then there is no helping you out of your cycle of ignorance.

Speaking of Orwell, thanks to people like you we have shit like this coming down the pipe:

US Attorney General: We?ve ?Discussed? Prosecuting Climate Change Deniers

Is that something you're down for? Do you honestly believe that any scientist in the employ of the government can say anything other than "the world is heating up and we're all going to fry unless we all get a Tesla"? Do you honestly believe that the NOAA can be taken seriously as an impartial body?

Do you think that hearing shit like this encourages independent skeptical scientists to publish research that runs contrary to the now almost legally imposed doctrine? Are you okay with this level of authoritarianism and the end of open science?

1984 was a novel not an instruction manual.



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Hey Mark: 0.85 degrees Celsius since 1880 forward (the end of the Little Ice Age).

'Nuff said. The whole thing is a money making scam.

OMG stop saying things. You're an idiot.

All you need to know is the people denying climate change are going to do it no matter what data they're shown, because they have their own fucked up reasons.

It's funny that these are also the same folks who don't want women to have abortions, want less government, love firearms and hate immigrants and gay people.

OMG stop saying things. You're an idiot.

That doesn't work for you.

You're only half as smart as you think you are, and most likely twice as ugly, little man.

They don't care about history - that's why they rewrite it to suit their own needs. They just know what their super fancy crystal ball computer models tell them - "the world is going to burst into flame if we don't stop burning oil!"


You're not kidding - he just keeps saying the same thing over and over:



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I am not to speak to you in any way at all. I'm trying to discuss the facts as presented in science text books, as reported by scientists, etc.

However, you gave me a good idea. Not to "speak down" to you - I promise I am not trying to sound like that - but what if we start with the very basics. This is not to call you or me dumb - what I am proposing is a basic framework of facts that you and I can both agree on, as a base to build a discussion on. I am talking about really basic stuff - and then simply, 1 item at a time, you and I can try to prove each of our points to the other if we disagree.

What do you think?


Robbie you didn't answer my question. I asked you "When your car burns gas, where do you think the exhaust goes?"

I am asking you this to propose the same idea I just proposed to Eon. Without getting mad and calling each other names, let's see if we can least all agree on the very basics - the teeniest, tiniest basics - and then add layers as we go until one of us disagrees with the other - and lets see if we can get to all of the facts.

What do you think?

I am in no way a geologist but I'm pretty sure the flintstones did it...

Thats the global warming problem its not just USA

People will say anything to hang onto their SUVs.

The Earth is getting warmer. That means lower crop yields, lower meat production. This will force prices up and up till many won't have any.

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/6...lrg%5B1%5D.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Comparison.png

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/wp...temps_fig2.gif

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/c...-1880-2009.gif

While some politicians try to convince you it's just nature doing what it always does. They get away with doing nothing to protect us. Good to see how some swallow the spin.

What are Governments doing to protect people, where are the dikes to protect low-lying areas, the levees for protection against rivers or cities flooding, the reservoirs to keep more water, the laws demanding new houses are built with measures to withstand disasters, the thinking about feeding people when food production plummets, etc?

Man-made or Nature. It's happening and no one is doing a lot to deflect the coming disaster. So yes for manty the end is nigh.

http://assets.bwbx.io/images/is8Hos.WbVfA/v2/750x-1.jpg

http://www.frontpagemag.com/sites/de...NIADROUGHT.jpg

But don't worry, it's just god hugging us a little closer. LOL

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He's a sad sad little man. His wife is a teacher. Need I explain more about where his views come from?

The whole Global Warming Hoax plays on the philosophies of anti-man, anti-life losers who want to believe man is not natural (they think THEY are natural, but not you) because they are Authoritarians.

Authoritarians are always exploited by other Authoritarians. They love to go along with it because then they can be... Authoritarians :2 cents:

http://www.globalwarmingart.com/imag...redictions.png

http://papers.risingsea.net/images-f..._chart-big.gif

http://appinsys.com/globalwarming/GW...s/image001.jpg

WHEN SHOULD WE START GETTING CONCERNED?

My bad.

I should have never convinced those 7,000,000,000 people to simultaneously burn wood for heat.

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Better follow the money on your falsified Projections, charts and graphs there Hombre.

When Al Gore flys over in his Carbon Tax paid for Jet to watch you suffer before you cease to exist?
2 birds with one stone :2 cents:

Hey Robby: 3rd time asking you my friend : Where does the exhaust from a tailpipe go?

If you're convinced that I'm just a brainwashed hippie libitard with no knowledge of any scientific facts, then come on, let's have a basic-science conversation. You can I can start at Grade 1 and agree to the most simplest of terms as we go. If and when we disagree on an item, we will do our best to prove our points. Deal?

Into the air.

Now why don't YOU address why people are making BILLIONS of dollars because the Earth is NATURALLY warming up after the "Little Ice Age" and so far has warmed up 0.85 degrees Celsius.

I know that you aren't dumb. But I also know human nature. You fell for a scam and now you don't want to back down. So the Emperor has no clothes.

That's why discussing it with you is always a waste of time. You scream "science" and "NASA"...yep. And both science and NASA say that the Earth has warmed up 0.85 degrees Celsius since 1880. And both agree that the Earth SHOULD warm back up after the Little Ice Age period had cooled it down.

THAT is science.

crazy how the dumb liberals panic about global warming, something that will effect our children & grandchildren.

but the national debt? NOT A WORD!!! guess children getting saddled with debts rung up by liberals is no big deal. having an economy tank cause the govt is too broke for bailouts, no big deal. nobody can get a job anymore, no big deal.

the big deal is that will be 2 degrees hotter in 100 years. some penguins will die.

liberals. :1orglaugh

It would have to exist to be a good thing.... Just saying.

THat's right. It goes into the air. When gasoline burns in a combustion engine, its exhaust, which includes gasses like Nitrogen oxides, Ozone, and Carbon Monoxide which I'm sure you've heard of. It also contains Carbon Dioxide and water vapour. All of this goes into the air. 1 car by itself, no big deal. Thousands of cars, meh. Millions of cars each day, every day putting all this stuff into the air, maybe kinda makes you think a little though, right?

So far so good? Do we agree on these points?

Mark we've already been through this nonsensical discussion before.
Man is not causing "global warming" It's a scam.

0.85 degrees Celsius in 136 years of recorded global temps which came AFTER an elongated period of the Earth cooling.

But if you want to pretend that you have no memory...I'll say it again: One Aircraft Carrier in the U.S. navy puts out more of a "carbon footprint" than all the cars.
And yet Pres. Obama just keeps that military machine rolling now doesn't he?

IF it were a real threat...don't you think that the aircraft carriers would be docked? That the tanks and Humvees would be parked? That all the military jets flying and BOMBING (how much pollution is that?) all around the world would be grounded.

You are acting ignorant on purpose trying to "prove" something you have been tricked into believing.

I can't stop that. It's human nature for you to do this defensively.

But please don't come on an Adult business board with this constant droning on about this stupidity.
Go sign up for a liberal pro-govt. message board and share your anxiety and angst there with your fellow believers.

well, see ya'll for the next end is neighhhhh thread. however i feel like i have already read it

http://i.imgur.com/P5V1T2A.jpg

Why do you think they're falsified? Just show the projections you think are real.

To make it easy here's a link.

https://www.google.cz/search?q=us+te...8k2kCVuTiSM%3A