Scotland will not go Independent and will not join the EU. They can't afford to. I hope I'm wrong. Because getting rid of this spendthrift would serve as a great warning to others.

This is one of the issues I agree with Trump on. The EU is not some cozy trade deal.

Rubbish. The YK is still part of the EU.

You must not have even half a brain.

No one in the UK cares if the surgeon operating on them is Muslim or Zulu. They care about losing their low skilled job to a migrant of any color. They care about a migrant jumping above them on the housing list, their children being taught in an oversized class of mixed languages, having to wait 3 days to get an appointment to see an Asian doctor. Colour never comes into it.

Unless you think the least contributing are a different colour.

Anyone with half a brain knows that people are tired of mass uncontrolled migration. Full stop.

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Seeing as they're 52% of the population. It's time they were listened to.

The EU has made them this way, so why not vote for a change?

Three days? Try three weeks. I'm not kidding.

+1.

Now we have chaos and uncertainty - the last thing any rational person wants. Already the value destruction to peoples home, pensions, savings is in full swing.

And all based on 2 very insipid lies that the Brexit campaigners have admitted were horseshit.

a) £350m a week to the EU that they will spend on the NHS.

b) 30m turks massing on the borders and the EU is inviting them in.

Both of these claims have now been dismissed as lies by the leave campaign. After the event an awful lot of leave voters are regretting the mess they have helped to create.

It seems that if you scratch the surface, push the right buttons, there is a willing camp guard lurking just below the surface.

My business is already being damaged as the currency of the adult business is USD. ALL of my costs have risen already. Traffic, servers, content, all bought in a currency which now costs considerably more. If my business is damaged my earning potential is reduced. My employees job security has been reduced and everyone takes a cautious approach to spending and investment.

Yet you buffoons witter on about the pesky muslims. Fucking halfwits.

The muslim populations in the UK arrived here in the 50's and 60's. The arseholes blowing themselves up and demanding sharia law are UK citizens, second generation Pakistani muslims. NOT recent migrants from the EU.

I never thought I would contemplate moving to Scotland !

How the fuck would you know about any of that. Just spouting nasty bile as usual.

You dont even live here.

I live in a rural area. White and middle class. Not an immigrant in sight. The selfish twats voted 70/30 to leave.

Farmers voting to leave - Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Why? Because they believed the bullshit.

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Couple of days after Brexit. The sky is falling!!!111!!!

lol. Give it some time, fear mongers. People are always so afraid of change, they rather seem to keep living in a dysfunctional dictatorship as long as nothing is changing, because ooo that's so scary.

The British pound will be fine in a few weeks or so.

Your costs are in USD but your earnings are in GBP?

fiddy globalists

I can get one in 3 hours.

People voted on their actual benefits from the EU. People know the £350m a week was the total and the rebate was the EU telling the UK where it should be spent. They alos know rents and house prices have soared, along with competition for jobs, the NHs is under strain and the problems grows by the day.

Turkey demand visa-free travel. The biggest sector of illegal migrants is those who overstay. https://www.rt.com/news/348191-eu-re...m-turkey-visa/

Migrants from non-EU countries arrive by the day. 277,000 in 2015. That's 1 every 2 minutes.

The UK is in rising debt, it needs to build a million houses, drop £10 billion into the NHS. More for education, social services, etc. So pay more taxes, around 10% more should be enough. Or STFU about having to pay a few more cents for Traffic, servers, content.

Or do you believe the EU is boosting your income? :1orglaugh

A bit of advice. Drop that idea right away. Very soon the plug will be pulled on Sturgeons spending spree. Then Scotland is fucked.

Seems so do you. Unless you're in the top 5%, which I doubt it. You've lost out on the EU and mass migration. Well, you will when someone asks you to pay more in taxes.

For every $100 he pays for anything in $$$ he has to pay $5 more. So obviously living on a tight budget.

NewNick, what do you do?

So far the biggest fallout is the Labour Party, they committed suicide telling the working classes the EU was great.

As the dust settles more casualties will be Tory MPs.

The only possible downside is if the UK doesn't demand a level trade deal. A 10% tariff would make it hard for both the UK and EU. Eventually leading to the demise of the EU.

Smart move - many companies will now move from UK to EU.

Yes, already a few are talking of moving to Germany & the Netherlands, Amsterdam :2 cents:

Owned:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...er-detail.html

Buahahahaha :1orglaugh

created a campaign that appealed to vanity and the likes of you were guilable enough to repeat it for the for free. Those are not my words, but a lose quote from that marketing firm rep.

Hahaha, vanity based voters got some nice medicine :thumbsup:1orglaugh

I am of the opinion now that what we will actually do is re-join EFTA and become a non-EU member of the EEA, thus keeping single market access but ridding ourselves of control from Brussels. It doesn't solve the immigration crisis but it's like a halfway house to getting everything we want.

I was saying about EEA, but couple days ago you sounded as if you are not (you still are) and will not be part of EEA. Looks like you have changed your mind.

They have been moving here, Czech, for the last 15 years. With EU money to help them.

The EEA doesn't rid the UK of the EU.

The UK needs to demand a balanced trade deal or 10% tariff's either way. With French and German elections coming up soon. The UK holds the aces.

Next round of General Elections. These hold the keys to the future of Europe. If enough people in a few of these countries decide they've had enough of this failed experiment and don't like where it's headed. There won't be EU elections in 2019. It will have imploded. Then we go back to a common trade deal and get over this mess.

Netherlands March 2017

France April 2017

Germany September 2017

Norway September 2017

Czech Republic October 2017

Luxembourg October 2017

Italy February 2018

Hungary April 2018

Sweden September 2018

Belgium May 2019

Austria 2018

European Union 2019

Yes I know I was getting a bit confused between the status of the EEA and EFTA, the point is though that it's not certain if we would remain in the EEA when we leave the EU because no-one else has done it before.

I never said or thought that we would not be in it, it's always been one of the options (the so-called "Norway" option). What I think will decide it is the sheer complexity of disentangling ourselves from all the EU legislation in the two years we will have. I don't think that can be done in one go.

If we rejoin EFTA and remain in the EEA it completely changes the dynamic of those two groups. That means that we can continue to persue changes and eventually get all the things we wanted, as other countries decide to join us rather than continuing along the path of EU integration.

Yes.

Earnings 70% in GBP some costs in Euro/GBP, and a big chunk in USD.

Staying in the single market and closing the borders would be the number one goal in any negotiations.

Germany, France and Italy have said it will never happen so work that one out.

Cameron knows has handed a poison chalice to the next PM. He knows that the next PM will have to sign off on a deal that destroys the economy, or indefinitely delay the Chapter 50 call with the inevitable squealing from Farage et al.

It is a fucking unnecessary mess that will not deliver what the leave vote were promised.

The Empire is gone and nostalgia does not pay the bills. Unless you are a dried up old migrant pornographer.

The GBP will rally.

Have those countries asked their voters whet they think?

Freedom of Movement is more than acceptable. So long as those moving can pay their own way without taking a job from a native. Taking taxpayers money to support migrants, without asking those taxpayers if they agree. Is undemocratic.

Why? The EU relies on Britain far more than you think. Trade is a two way street.

How much better off is Britain after 15 years of the EU?

The EU was created undemocratically and will be destroyed by democracy.

French European Constitution referendum, 2005

Dutch European Constitution referendum, 2005

Treaty of Lisbon

Enlargement of 1995

The EU takes little notice of people rejecting it. It asks them again and stacks the cards, or just lets them trade so long as they do as they're told. Which is what the EEE is about.

French and Dutch politicians ignored the will of their people.

Most countries now have learned the lesson to not ask the people in case they give the wrong answer. It will only take large Right Wing votes to get ore democracy. Which is sad for the Left and Centre.

You should stick to the facts Paul instead of trying to throw up daft arguments that are impossible to quantify.

However the Cornish have been able to quantify the answer to your 15 year question.

It appears that a county which voted to leave has actually been a huge beneficiary of EU funding to the tune of £60m per year.

OOPS.

Council to seek urgent confirmation from Ministers on EU funding allocated to Cornwall - Cornwall Council

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

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Is that more than the value of the Cornish fishing industry that has been decimated by the common fisheries policy?

Yes, I get that part. The UK gives £350 million a week and the EU gives back some and tells the UK where to spend it. Which is why N. Ireland and Scotland want to remain.

Let's assume for a moment England and Walee leave. Where is the guaranty the EU will continue to give N. Ireland and Scotland money and who will it come from? N. Ireland and Scotland are assuming they would get back in, get the money without contributing more than they get back and that contributions wouldn't come from Westminster.

https://fullfact.org/media/uploads/U...ship-graph.png

Makes your £60m per year, look farcical. Got any more silly points to make, I love knocking them over.

Listening to the debate in Brussels it was clear the pro-EU MEPs were adamant that they will decide the future of Europeans. None of them showed any intentions of asking their people what they thought.

Why should they when the people might reject this gravy train. Brexit has served as a severe warning to them that democracy isn't something they can rely on. There's even talk of rejecting the vote of the people. Then what?

Yep. Talks of a "Superstate" all of a sudden. They haven't learned one thing, the only thing they learned is to speed up the EU monster as a true dictatorship with one central government. 100% the opposite of what the people want, what a great institution.

Paul you have not knocked anything over except perhaps your zimmer frame.

County and Country.

Two different words Paul.

Over fishing is the root cause of the collapse of the fishing industry. The EU is the body which is trying to reduce the amount of fish being taken.

You have the same complaints from fishing communities all over Europe. Do you really think they would reduce fishing quotas if the fish stocks were not in terminal decline.

I was born in a major fishing port - and the industry people that I know will admit (through gritted teeth) that modern fishing methods have decimated the seas. They dont land mature fish anymore, some species dont even reach sexual maturity before they are in a net. Can you suggest another method to help the fish stocks recover other than less fishing ?

This is the problem when a political group declares that everything bad has the same root cause. The Brexit fools are back tracking now that they actually have to deliver on their promises, and god help us, Trump will also shit himself if he is ever actually judged on his performance rather than cheap claims that he will "make America great again."

I had no idea you were a Briton :pimp