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ZENRA 12-07-2016 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicyBunny (Post 21361981)
Now off to Latin Quarter and hope I don't get arrested. lol.

Let me know when you come to Tokyo, maybe we can have a coffee or ramen or something.

The 70,000 yen soapland or am I missing something? :)

I'm in western Japan, but go to Tokyo a few times a year to talk shop so I'll keep your invitation in mind.

ZENRA 12-07-2016 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicyBunny (Post 21362005)
Maybe they should do what some of the Russian pirate JAV sites did and take a loss and make a deal with the content owners.

If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, then there's no deal that I know of (assuming we're still talking about censored paysites here). There's a huge English AV paysite network that studios we work with have been sending DMCA's to and is on IPPA's radar.

For pretty much most of our own licensing deals, we had to meet the studios face to face. Very few (like maybe just 3-4) were OK with doing it all over email and phone. The rest strongly encouraged us to meet them in Tokyo first (or at least before we started putting the movies online). Fortunately licensing success rate from face-to-face meetings = 100%. For many, we were their first ever foreign partners and I think now they are a bit more open to licensing internationally.

teomaxxx 12-29-2016 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JuicyBunny (Post 21359239)
Just got paid today. As usual.

Sales go up when programs become leaner. IMO. Our best sellers are programs who are never on the boards and DMCA the tubes and filelockers.

Hopefully all is well in AMP Land.

I wrote them few emails, no reply and they owe me around 600usd.

How did you conctac them?

bns666 12-29-2016 01:18 PM

good i never promoted them anyway :)

druid66 12-29-2016 01:30 PM

got paid too as usually, check comes few days back.
for contact i've used their form - works for me.
AMP was always good sponsor for me, nothing changed here except lacking of paxum.

DMRC 12-29-2016 03:39 PM

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faxxaff 12-29-2016 04:36 PM

Aren't most "Japanese Sponsors" filled with unlicensed content? Don't we all know that and still promote them? Why? Because Japanese studios won't allow foreigners to join their sites. And when they license content they ask for special double pricing for non-Japanese companies .... go figure ... why did they discriminate against foreigners in the first place? It was their own fault things wen't that ugly. You can't put shit back into the horse.

ZENRA 12-29-2016 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 21413494)
And when they license content they ask for special double pricing for non-Japanese companies .... go figure ... why did they discriminate against foreigners in the first place? It was their own fault things wen't that ugly. You can't put shit back into the horse.

You're somewhat wrong here...at least from my experience from working with over 20 studios (and this is with no double-counting or counting labels as unique companies). From what I notice about legit foreign-owned Japanese AV paysites, their content is all pretty much from Dreamroom, the largest producer of uncensored JAV.

I believe the reason is because most foreign webmasters do not speak Japanese and most AV studios in Japan do not speak English. The people who can license out Dreamroom content can speak in English, but of course going through them is going to cost a lot hence the 'double pricing' as you wrote (though in my experience it was the other way around: licensing costing more if you also run a Japanese-language site). The other negative to this is the content that’s usually available is not very new.

Depending on how one showcases this content, it may not be an issue, but it’s something else to consider. Also most uncensored JAV movies (and I’m referring to the non-amateur ones here) do not star top rank actresses. The production values are often not as good as censored movies* (lighting that’s too bright, no sound guy, a camera that lingers way too long on zoomed-in private parts, and little to no storyline). *Overall from what I've seen. Yes, there's always exceptions!

For censored Japanese AV studios, it's totally possible to get licensing deals, but you need to note that there are no 'content market' sites in Japan like Amazing Content and Adult Sex Content (both are great sites!). This means you need to approach whatever studio's content you're interested in and start from step one. Again, from my experience, simply sending an email--even one in Japanese—may be futile. They may check it, they may not, but even with studios run by younger people, the almighty face-to-face meeting is critically important to making a deal. Thus, if censored content is what you want and you’re dead serious about getting it, the best thing to do is to hire an interpreter, contact these studios by phone, book a meeting, and fly out to Tokyo.

I don’t believe studios in Japan are discriminating against foreigners (be it surfers or webmasters). It’s just that the western market is so different than what they’re used to. They don’t know where to start with it. And of course there’s also the issue of royalty-free versus revenue-sharing. The former doesn’t really exist in Japan since most paysites are just VOD (though a few are now testing streaming-only all-you-can-watch plans).

Giving a studio a lowball offer with no revshare/kickback probably won’t work. This means you’re going to have to consider modifying your site’s backend to keep track of downloads and streams and then pay the studios accordingly each month.

TL;DR: for the foreign webmaster who doesn’t speak Japanese, licensing uncensored JAV is a significantly easier than licensing censored JAV. It’s best to know Japanese well when negotiating for the latter (or hire someone who speaks it). Most Japanese aren’t racist though many may shy away when needing to communicate in a foreign language hence the misconception.

PS, DMRC: best of luck with your new site! Please let me know when it's online.

xXXtesy10 12-29-2016 06:02 PM

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PornDiscounts-V 12-29-2016 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cams2chat (Post 21353770)
I have the same problem from other perspective. I have been paying affiliates and they virtually get no joins just rebills they steal from each other. Paid out tens of thousands same deal but it is wearing thin. See type ins move to another affiliate and it aint right.

Get some joins is best idea

It sounds like you've been hacked and that hackers are assigning whales to themselves?

faxxaff 12-30-2016 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by vvvvv (Post 21414040)
It sounds like you've been hacked and that hackers are assigning whales to themselves?

Oh, that would explain why I am having trouble getting responses from them ...

Jigster715 12-30-2016 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 21413068)
I wrote them few emails, no reply and they owe me around 600usd.

How did you conctac them?

I use their form. Always get action or response. Maybe take the approach of asking them if there is a problem with your sites or sales efforts and ask them to help you fix it or give you advice. I got paid by them recently. By check. Are your payments set to pay by check?

Jigster715 12-30-2016 06:14 AM

I've been working with JAV, (uncensored Japanese AV) since 2005. Some of what you say is true but not all of it. The story varies from company to company.

Problem for pitching censored content on this board is that there is little to no interest in it. From webmasters and the surfers. Its an acquired taste by devoted fans.

We work with and shoot for companies based in Japan. At this point, we mostly shoot for content destined for the censored, within Japan route. Shooting uncensored and trying to take it outside the country can get you jailed, banned from entering the country or both.

You can find companies who will do licenses for 1-5 years with a yearly sum paid in advance. These days licensing issues come about because Japanese companies are a bit worried about having too many overt connections to the uncensored world. Police are beating down on the AV business pretty hard these days.

It's not simply a matter of finding someone to speak for you when doing business in japan. The most important thing. The ultimate thing...is for the company to know that you know and understand the rules the AV business functions by. In the past 10 years too many outside companies have stolen then tried to get deals with Japanese companies. The 1 or 2 companies who control most of the uncensored content do so because they own the market...and everyone in it. They even own those thieves people talk about and from here it looks like they are slowly squeezing them out.

BTW, DMRC has been on line for 2+ years now.

If someone is looking to license content and you want help working your way through rules you must obey, we might be able to help you license content.
If you have little money, content will be old and nearly worthless. If you want to make a site that sells... as Michael Eisner said in "Family Guy" - "Bring Money!"

To be honest, Japanese AV companies are not very interested in licensing their content to foreigners. Some will, but they are not Japanese. Most likely Chinese or Korean. Probably 50% of the Japanese AV business is comprised of non-Japanese. In Japan, having a Japanese name does not make you Japanese.

Presently, a number of Japanese companies are working to make their own sites for the kaigai (foreign) market. We are helping them to do so.

teomaxxx 12-30-2016 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jigster715 (Post 21414526)
I use their form. Always get action or response. Maybe take the approach of asking them if there is a problem with your sites or sales efforts and ask them to help you fix it or give you advice. I got paid by them recently. By check. Are your payments set to pay by check?

I have setuped paxum payments, was getting them without problems for 5 years, I just only realized, they started to stop sending me payments sometimes last year. Having mostly only rebills...

druid66 12-30-2016 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 21414598)
I have setuped paxum payments, was getting them without problems for 5 years, I just only realized, they started to stop sending me payments sometimes last year. Having mostly only rebills...

that's cuz paxum is no longer possible at AMP, change for check and you will have your money (from my experience).

Jigster715 12-30-2016 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 21414598)
I have setuped paxum payments, was getting them without problems for 5 years, I just only realized, they started to stop sending me payments sometimes last year. Having mostly only rebills...

Pick another payout method. They dropped Paxum. Don't know why.

ZENRA 12-30-2016 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jigster715 (Post 21414565)
We work with and shoot for companies based in Japan. At this point, we mostly shoot for content destined for the censored, within Japan route. Shooting uncensored and trying to take it outside the country can get you jailed, banned from entering the country or both.

You can find companies who will do licenses for 1-5 years with a yearly sum paid in advance. These days licensing issues come about because Japanese companies are a bit worried about having too many overt connections to the uncensored world.


From our experiences, only one company was a bit uneasy being shown on a site that also shows uncensored content. They told us that'd be fine if we didn't use their studio name though in the end we backed out since what they did already overlapped with another studio we work with.

I think as more Japanese AV companies look outward, they're becoming more inured to uncensored content--not in a production standpoint since it's illegal for them to do that, but in a "OK, we don't mind showing our content on sites that also have uncensored content" way.



"To be honest, Japanese AV companies are not very interested in licensing their content to foreigners."

I disagree somewhat here. All Japanese AV companies are interested in making money. Be it foreign or local, if the conditions are good, they'll go in. However, as you wrote and I also did earlier, the foreign side of the deal must seriously know Japanese business and the language well too. A foreign company emailing a studio out of the blue and lowballing with a royalty-free offer (since that's what mostly flies in the west it seems) will go nowhere. Many Japanese companies be it AV or mainstream are extremely risk-averse. They fear change and they fear the unknown so even a bit of uneasiness in spite if being offered a potentially good deal would end in a deal gone dead.


BTW, which censored studios do you shoot for?

Jigster715 12-31-2016 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ZENRA (Post 21415579)
From our experiences, only one company was a bit uneasy being shown on a site that also shows uncensored content. They told us that'd be fine if we didn't use their studio name though in the end we backed out since what they did already overlapped with another studio we work with.

I think as more Japanese AV companies look outward, they're becoming more inured to uncensored content--not in a production standpoint since it's illegal for them to do that, but in a "OK, we don't mind showing our content on sites that also have uncensored content" way.



"To be honest, Japanese AV companies are not very interested in licensing their content to foreigners."

I disagree somewhat here. All Japanese AV companies are interested in making money. Be it foreign or local, if the conditions are good, they'll go in. However, as you wrote and I also did earlier, the foreign side of the deal must seriously know Japanese business and the language well too. A foreign company emailing a studio out of the blue and lowballing with a royalty-free offer (since that's what mostly flies in the west it seems) will go nowhere. Many Japanese companies be it AV or mainstream are extremely risk-averse. They fear change and they fear the unknown so even a bit of uneasiness in spite if being offered a potentially good deal would end in a deal gone dead.


BTW, which censored studios do you shoot for?

It's a difficult time in the AV business in Japan. That is certain.
You ask, who we shoot for..If you were as deep into the AV biz as you say you would know and understand that question cannot be answered. I've asked some friends at studios you list if they know you. Waiting for responses.

I agree with you that many studios are risk-adverse... So much money left on the table because of this. But gaijin are problematic.

Fewer are looking outward because the Tokyo Met and Kyoto Cyber Unit looks more and more inward. I think things will be better after 2020.

How is the Vancouver winter treating you?

ZENRA 12-31-2016 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jigster715 (Post 21417337)
It's a difficult time in the AV business in Japan. That is certain.
You ask, who we shoot for..If you were as deep into the AV biz as you say you would know and understand that question cannot be answered. I've asked some friends at studios you list if they know you. Waiting for responses.


How is the Vancouver winter treating you?

If you're shooting uncensored content, there's a reason to remain clandestine, but if it's totally legal content (ie, censored), I don't see the reason why you wish to remain secretive about it. I know many people in production and provided they're talking with industry people, they won't beat around the bush as to their paymasters.

I don't live in Canada. Never even been there yet.

Jigster715 12-31-2016 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ZENRA (Post 21417487)
If you're shooting uncensored content, there's a reason to remain clandestine, but if it's totally legal content (ie, censored), I don't see the reason why you wish to remain secretive about it. I know many people in production and provided they're talking with industry people, they won't beat around the bush as to their paymasters.

I don't live in Canada. Never even been there yet.

The first time we met you told me you lived and worked out of Vancouver.

I'm not willing to discuss employers with you because you are not trustworthy. You talk too much and you don't tell the truth.

You mentioned on JSCOTT's "board" you spend low 6 figures on content. You should have come to me. I can get that same stuff for next to nothing. I mean, come on.

Anyway, done here.

I hope the OP gets his payments straightened out.

ZENRA 12-31-2016 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jigster715 (Post 21417679)
The first time we met you told me you lived and worked out of Vancouver.

I'm not willing to discuss employers with you because you are not trustworthy. You talk too much and you don't tell the truth.

You mentioned on JSCOTT's "board" you spend low 6 figures on content. You should have come to me. I can get that same stuff for next to nothing. I mean, come on.

Anyway, done here.

I hope the OP gets his payments straightened out.


Dude, I've never met you in my life. You probably have me confused with someone else. In fact I'm sure you do. I've never told anyone I lived and worked out of Vancouver. I've never even been there let alone Canada. I've never even met another non-Japanese industry person in person (I'm assuming you're not Japanese and if you are, my apologies for the mistaken assumption).


"You mentioned on JSCOTT's "board" you spend low 6 figures on content. You should have come to me. I can get that same stuff for next to nothing. I mean, come on."

See, right here? This is what why I'm feeling conflicted. I feel like you're upset that someone else on GFY works within the JAV industry and is telling a different story than you. You seem to have a really negative slant on the industry: "The industry sucks! Foreigners aren't welcome! However, if you want content, come to me and nobody else! Who do I shoot for? Can't say, but we've the best content because I know people."

I get the feeling that your intention is to make it seem like the JAV industry is totally closed off and close-minded so foreign webmasters will just go through you for content. Nine out of ten times, you'll get a better deal through the studio and also foster a much closer relationship which will open many doors.

I feel the industry is much more open and anything is possible so long as one is determined. What I have in my sig regarding studio introductions is not something I am looking to make money off of. I don't plan to charge a cent so long as the help needed from me is all email-based (meeting in person is a different story). I want foreign webmasters to have an easier go at licensing content direct from the source and I want studios to have a better relationship with foreign webmasters. It's a win-win for everyone.

It seems like you really do have me mistaken though for someone else. I hope we can somehow make amends in the future and maybe even meet sometime in Tokyo.

AlexTmz 02-12-2017 04:49 AM

received a check from Mark, got paid!
we can close thread

Konda 02-12-2017 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jigster715 (Post 21414565)
To be honest, Japanese AV companies are not very interested in licensing their content to foreigners. Some will, but they are not Japanese. Most likely Chinese or Korean. Probably 50% of the Japanese AV business is comprised of non-Japanese. In Japan, having a Japanese name does not make you Japanese.

My experience is different, for me it went quite easy. When I was looking for Japanese content I contacted a Japanese affiliate that we had in our affiliate database and told him that we are interested in buying Japanese content and asked him if he could contact some studios for us. His English was not very good but good enough to get things going. He contacted several studios that were carrying the niche I was looking for (I was looking for a very specific niche) and a few of them were interested, and one of them was even willing to sell it uncensored. The affiliate set up various meetings for me and I flew to Tokyo where I stayed a couple of days and met with various studios and producers, from small to big and set up some deals. They took me to nice restaurants and clubs and showed me their offices etc. It was a very interesting experience, I was only like 25 at that time and many of the guys I met were like twice my age. On my first trip I already left with my first DV tapes with content I licenced (which was even including DVD rights outside Japan). In the beginning the affiliate always acted as my translator, but later when the Japanese guys I did deals with came to Europe we hired professional translators.

xXXtesy10 02-12-2017 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ZENRA (Post 21417718)
Dude, I've never met you in my life. You probably have me confused with someone else. In fact I'm sure you do. I've never told anyone I lived and worked out of Vancouver. I've never even been there let alone Canada. I've never even met another non-Japanese industry person in person (I'm assuming you're not Japanese and if you are, my apologies for the mistaken assumption).


"You mentioned on JSCOTT's "board" you spend low 6 figures on content. You should have come to me. I can get that same stuff for next to nothing. I mean, come on."

See, right here? This is what why I'm feeling conflicted. I feel like you're upset that someone else on GFY works within the JAV industry and is telling a different story than you. You seem to have a really negative slant on the industry: "The industry sucks! Foreigners aren't welcome! However, if you want content, come to me and nobody else! Who do I shoot for? Can't say, but we've the best content because I know people."

I get the feeling that your intention is to make it seem like the JAV industry is totally closed off and close-minded so foreign webmasters will just go through you for content. Nine out of ten times, you'll get a better deal through the studio and also foster a much closer relationship which will open many doors.

I feel the industry is much more open and anything is possible so long as one is determined. What I have in my sig regarding studio introductions is not something I am looking to make money off of. I don't plan to charge a cent so long as the help needed from me is all email-based (meeting in person is a different story). I want foreign webmasters to have an easier go at licensing content direct from the source and I want studios to have a better relationship with foreign webmasters. It's a win-win for everyone.

It seems like you really do have me mistaken though for someone else. I hope we can somehow make amends in the future and maybe even meet sometime in Tokyo.

japan govt know you export uncensored? :1orglaugh wonder when you raid coming

ZENRA 02-12-2017 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21537508)
My experience is different, for me it went quite easy. When I was looking for Japanese content I contacted a Japanese affiliate that we had in our affiliate database and told him that we are interested in buying Japanese content and asked him if he could contact some studios for us. His English was not very good but good enough to get things going. He contacted several studios that were carrying the niche I was looking for (I was looking for a very specific niche) and a few of them were interested, and one of them was even willing to sell it uncensored. The affiliate set up various meetings for me and I flew to Tokyo where I stayed a couple of days and met with various studios and producers, from small to big and set up some deals. They took me to nice restaurants and clubs and showed me their offices etc. It was a very interesting experience, I was only like 25 at that time and many of the guys I met were like twice my age. On my first trip I already left with my first DV tapes with content I licenced (which was even including DVD rights outside Japan). In the beginning the affiliate always acted as my translator, but later when the Japanese guys I did deals with came to Europe we hired professional translators.

Nice to hear you had a good experience. May I ask what studio(s) you worked out deals with?

xXXtesy10 02-12-2017 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ZENRA (Post 21538381)
Nice to hear you had a good experience. May I ask what studio(s) you worked out deals with?

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