I hate racist people also. We agree on that. What I am talking about as an athiest. We finally got Christian to act somewhat civil. Why let millions of muslims that are 3 or 4 centuries behind us in thought, and breed more than the host population. That is not a good thing to me. Now if it were mexicans or japanese flooding Germany, I would not say anything.

I know I give you hell from time to time, I really mean it in good fun. Not to be taken seriously. Can me meet at least somewhat in the middle on this lol

Anti globalist supporting billionaire Trump with 2 multinational corporations and over 200 businesses worldwide who hired multimillionaire Secretary of state who's president of the largest multinational corporation on the planet, Exxon..... FUCKING idiots.

Well it's not such a black and white issue as most would like it to be. One thing is for sure - shouting "-isms" and insulting each other day and night won't ever make it better in any way.

I don't stand for the current status quo at all since I figure that the current mainstream politics is so far away from the original dictionary definition of politics that even discussing it gets absurd. From what I understand, the original purpose of politics should be serving its citizens, it should benefit the public - be it workers, business owners, families etc. That's why a politician is called a public servant.

Let's say the basic human needs are prosperity aka food on the table, security and being respected.

Now if the political establishment can't assure this, and what's worse not even address this and pretend that everything is great. If it even starts to silence the opposition voice and arrogantly label everyone who disagrees with the status quo as "uneducated" "extremist" or whatever else "-ist" and lynch them using political correctness then they may have a problem. Then you simply reach the point where these three basic needs are not met and not addressed with so many people already, that you can't keep the status quo anymore.

Much better question is - is it a regular state of things, once a nationalist movement that, 20 years ago would hardly make it past the 10 pct. vote, often sounds more like a common sense politics than the current mainstream politics?

Is it a regular state of things once these are pretty much the only parties in opposition that are addressing these basic human needs?

Movements that may always carry a hidden or simply dilletant agenda in their programs that my turn out to be highly problematic?

Definitely not - but that's not the problem of these nationalist movements, that's the problem of the establishment politics that forgot it should also care about its citizens and their basic needs:

Not to push backdoor deals with big corp and big banks that result in losing tax revenue and employment - does this benefit the public? NO (prosperity)

Not to flood the countries with unregulated migration from some of the most problematic places in the world - does this benefit the public? NO (security)

And last and not least - not to divide and label its own opposing citizens as "extremists" the opposition as "populist" and trying to silence them all using the cult of political correctness - does this benefit the public? NO (respect)

Idiots like David Cameron with zero life experience and no compassion with citizens felt so all mighty that they may have started a domino effect with disastrous consequences. They say that the first step in order to fix a problem is to admit that there is one in the first place. But that's not happening, and as long as it won't happen this backlash will continue.

^^ fail ^^^^

He's a usury activist. He beleives that the Jewish people are superior to his own people, and that the Jewish people should absolutely rule over the rest of us.

Brad
thommy
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^^^^^^^idiot ^^^^^^

Precisely this. Well, if you says something enough times,it becomes truth for many people.
That woman wants her country back.

Problem is Brad that the statement in question is populist bullshit. No matter whether it is wittered by a neo-nazi in Europe, or repeated by intellectually indolent folks that should know better on internet forums.

Globalisation is NOT slaves making stuff for the unemployed. Its a catchy slogan, and the less sophisticated amongst us will clearly lap this shit up all day long.

A few facts;

a) Globalisation has delivered an enormous rise in living standards for hundreds of millions of people around the world. China, India, the Tiger economies of Asia, Central and South America, and Eastern Europe have all benefited from the vast investment in infrastructure and manufacturing capacity. Millions now have food, sanitation, healthcare, education etc etc that would never have existed without globalisation.

There will always be bad apples that mistreat their staff, but for the majority the word slave is not appropriate.

Those millions of people are now potential customers. You ask the marketing departments of luxury western brands where their biggest market is. You ask Boeing where their growth is forecast to be. You ask Coca Cola, Rolls Royce, BMW, Rolex, Johnnie Walker, smart companies that make products that people want are reaping the benefits of globalisation. Coal miners in the rust belt and truck makers from Detroit not so much.

Its called change and it has always happened. The poor have always been there. They will always be there.

b) The West has benefited on a vast scale. Western companies and financial institutions are earning countless billions from their investments in low cost manufacturing. Stockholders, pension funds, traders, insurance companies, brokers, and basically any individual with money in a financial institution has benefited from the efficiency of globalisation.

There is a very strong argument that says even more of these profits should benefit the ordinary guy - The way that Google / Apple et al behave in order to reduce their taxes is frankly revolting. These are taxes that the US needs. If the likes of Apple paid what they really owed then the govt debt and the tax burden on individuals could be reduced.

c) The living standards we enjoy in the West are 100% the result of globalisation. It is fashionable now to use the word in a derogatory manner - but we owe everything to globalisation. Decent reliable cars, cheap plentiful food, white goods that are cheaper now than they were 20 years ago, IT that now delivers every aspect of your life. None of these thing would be possible with out globalisation.

Some of you wont remember the malaise of the 1970's ( Markham maybe ) but the 70's and 80's are when the west realised that subsidising heavy industries that made things that people did not want was fruitless. Detroit does not make cars anymore because the product was rubbish, the unions were too powerful for change, and the Japanese did it better. Are you suggesting that the Japanese were slaves ?

Globalisation was not some vicious plan concocted by evil Soros / illuminati types in order to enslave the people. Globalisation is the inevitable result of man kinds endeavours. Globalisation is what you get when you have container ships that can deliver goods anywhere in the world at an incredibly low unit price. Globalisation is what you get when opportunity for profit and modern transport meet to deliver a better product for the consumer.

A few more facts :

Trump will not get people burning coal again.

Trump will not persuade US consumers to buy expensive poor quality items.

Trump will not force China ( or any other country ) to do things they dont want to do.

Trump will not undo 40 years of automation.

Trump will not stop Uber from running driverless cars.

Trump will not take his tongue out of Pootins ring piece.

Protectionism of US industries will make them even less efficient, protectionism of US industries via levies and regulations will result in stagnation and zero investment. However protectionism make Trumps new buddies in Wall St and the oil Biz even more richer than they already are.


The west is doing just fine, America is not broken, Globalisation is not a dirty word. Trump the arch capitalist has sold you a pig in a waistcoat, the ultimate snake oil - a cure for a problem you dont even fucking have.



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there is nothing to add - exept one thing:

"manufactured by slaves" - i want to go a bit deeper in that because as i live in the so called 3rd world I can see that a bit more from the near.

if someone in thailand workd for 300 or 400 dollar per month does not mean he is a slave. that is the normal income in this country and many of those people drivng an own car and have a reasonable life.

on the other hand they are producing products with IMPORTED maschine (many of them imported from US) and what they export with that back is also a little bit of the value of a country, where you can get a perfect dinner for less than 10 us.
with other words: US citizen get products for affordable prices and that makes life more comfortable.

nobody would have any advantage when he get a double salary when all prices around him increase to double. that is bullshit.

another thing i want to mention is, HOW can trump can bring back(modern) jobs to US?

the biggest growing markets in the world are the markets around new economy and telecommunication.

many US companies (like AT&T) expandet their empire to the whole world.
not only to make profit there. they NEED this connections to international networks to keep theri prices in US low.
maybe one of you shuld try to make a phonecall to nothkorea and see how much that still is (even when the call to southkorea cost a tenth of that).

that is all what you will get with trump. less jobs, some higher salaries and much higher prices.

but the good news of today is that he already starts to wake up and banned bannon.
maybe somebody told trump already the consequences of his politicial way and where it will end. let´s see....

greetings
thommy

You're not white

and i forget another thing:

le pen is one of the most hated politicians in her country. she is more or less the twin of trump. but france have an alternative and i hope that manuel macron will win the race - even when he does not have a policial party behind him.
that guy is so fresh and so highly intelligent that he is the best what can happen to france.

greetings
thommy

infact NOBODY on this planet is white.
we all are from africa and have been black before.

but i can not understand why someone have to make an insult from a word what describes a color. maybe i just can not imagin that because i never used that to insult someone because of his skin color.

greetings
thommy

A) All these countries have in common is that they have production that enables the capital to gain more profit at a lower production cost.

But these profits are typically NOT redistributed at a higher than the least necessary rate in these countries. The profit is used to generate even more profit on the capital market. Don't forget these companies must satisfy their shareholders in the first place. This also brings structural unemployment to the countries that used to have production.

And since the majority of people will NOT ever have exceptional skills - this is Gauss curve, the real question is what to do with them. These are the ones revolting.
These new countries will go through exactly the same phase once the production leaves.

B) Indeed - it brought major increase in profits for capital, but the trickle down effect does NOT work. This has been proven over and over again - concentrating more profit in less hands will NOT bring redistribution of wealth in terms of increasing the living standards or tax revenue. It's exactly the opposite - all it brings is more income inequality.

This may sound like a passage from Marx's capital, and there were some petrified economists in 2007/08 that brought that book to that year's economic forums, but this part is proven to work exactly like that. So again the question is how to deal with this, since this is hardly sustainable.

C) The living standards on the west have been declining since the early 70's at the time when Globalization started and banks were let run wild.

Corporations are now in the position to negotiate with governments and make them bend to their rules while redistributing as least as possible in the country they're dealing with.
All this brings is more money flowing in the artificial economy (corporations / banking / capital market) and less money that's recycled (in terms of actual people exchanging it).
Again the question is how to tackle this - since this is hardly sustainable in the long term.

Not saying that simple and likable slogans that may have little base in real maths are the answer, but these are the empiric facts. Just hinting at what's the reason of the current revolt.
If you don't satisfy your electorate's basic needs, or at least aren't able to communicate to them your policies effectively, they will vote for somebody who will promise them to do so.

verbal diarrhea ^^^

Ok so you agree on all points.

The new anti-globalisation rhetoric has zero basis in fact - it is false solution to a made up problem.

The original point of the thread; "globalisation is slaves making stuff for the unemployed" is patent nonsense.

But that is the new post Trump reality - make up a non problem and then lie about how you are the only one that can fix it.

The really scary bit is a) every other country around the world has their own Trumpesque loon waiting in the wings, b) what happens when his bullshit executive orders dont deliver ?

you are not generally wrong with what you are saying.
it is indeed a problem that you can make capital with capital - because money can´t be a product - it is an equivalent to a product and if you change the value of the equivalent it is not in balance with the products on the markets.

you are also right when you say that more money in the hand of less people does not resolve the problem. infact it is increasing the problem, because money have to circle from hand to hand (that was the idea bbehind money)

but here you are wrong:

this is not a problem from NOW it is a problem that this is since CENTURIES like that. it is one of the main factors what trump wanted to kill (because it is called corruption). but instead doing this he brings the most and best for their corrupt live knowing people into the white house and make them "his team".

so what he is doeing is the OPPOSITE what he promised but because americans should not watch that he give them another spot to look at - he give them enemies.

greetings
thommy

If you do not support Marine Le Pen for French president, then you are a sexist POS. Check your male privilege, shitlords.

are you sure she is a women?

Nothing to do with her policies then.

Hard to argue with that.

While there's probably never been so much panic and crying wolf over a new president, some of these picks are of course completely in line with this and they do owe many favors.

While Rex Tillerson may be a strong negotiator, it would be naive to expect he would ever go against the interest of big oil.

Exactly the same if you nominate somebody who made his fortune on Wall Street.

The question if the fact that they are in the cabinet directly, and not just pulling the strings from the background as usual - if this may be a benefit or not in terms of holding them accountable.

Big Oil, Wall Street - and then there's the third big player - the arms industry complex, and that's of course the dangerous one since it's directly connected with the foreign policy (or a lack of thereof).

She's right about that but wrong about breaking up the EU, and many other things, like supporting dictator Putin, and taking his money.

Luckily centrist Emmanuelle Macron has been elected the new president of France today :thumbsup

Sad to see such an ignorant, simplistic and insulting generalization.

This boards brainwashed idiots do not look at arguments, facts and individual topical standpoints.
If the media tells them a person is bad, they believe it, don't listen to what is really being said, and call everybody who does listen objectively a nazi.

Fuck off dude all you do is post hate and bitch and moan every time your fascist racist xenophobic candidates lose. That's 2 in a row now you're alt-right "movement" is dead deal with it :2 cents: