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noshit 03-04-2017 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21594334)
^^ Shit post

http://i.imgur.com/iUZfQat.png?2

Thrives on turning normal human activity into a disease
... Just so he can try to reap the benefits without being bound by the rules

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seeandsee 03-04-2017 01:02 PM

must be true ok

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 01:05 PM

Did it occur to any of you cucks that maybe, just maybe, Trump has access to info that u or I don;t?

Silver_Shamrock 03-04-2017 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21593917)
Think about this for a moment. The president of the United States is rambling on Twitter like a spoiled teenager and he's a supposed to be a worldly 70 year old man in charge of our nation. He's barely a man.

THIS. This is why I'm sooo surprised more of his supporters aren't bailing this administration completely. Practically everything he said he was going to deliver is having to be harshly tweaked or abandoned. They can't put together a health care "replacement" that congressmen in their own party can agree on. They also haven't shook these Russian influence questions, when they could've nipped it way back before Paul Manafort left the campaign. Or if this brat would just release his tax returns like even Nixon did while he was under an audit.

Seriously, this country needs to move forward, but this administration can't get their shit together well enough to do it. EVERYBODY should be kinda pissed about it.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver_Shamrock (Post 21594541)
THIS. This is why I'm sooo surprised more of his supporters aren't bailing this administration completely. Practically everything he said he was going to deliver is having to be harshly tweaked or abandoned. They can't put together a health care "replacement" that congressmen in their own party can agree on. They also haven't shook these Russian influence questions, when they could've nipped it way back before Paul Manafort left the campaign. Or if this brat would just release his tax returns like even Nixon did while he was under an audit.

Seriously, this country needs to move forward, but this administration can't get their shit together well enough to do it. EVERYBODY should be kinda pissed about it.

There is no russian influence

Everything Trump promised in his campaign he is doing. Do you live under a fucking rock!?

Silver_Shamrock 03-04-2017 01:16 PM

Also, if there was any wire tapping that actually did occur, it was done legally through a FISA court. These kinds of actions, like when we tapped Angela Merkel's phone, get approved/denied by a FISA court first and practically all the information about it is documented. Watergate saw to that standard being set.

NatalieK 03-04-2017 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21594220)
So now the dems/libs want PROOF IMMEDIATELY or it's false!

ROFL unreal

not unreal when I heard Trumpīs been playing you from the start! It was Trump whom said Obama did this, just to see who would believe it...



sucker :1orglaugh

directfiesta 03-04-2017 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21594529)
Did it occur to any of you cucks that maybe, just maybe, Trump has access to info that u or I don;t?

So you are saying that he is leaking CLASSIFIED information ?

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver_Shamrock (Post 21594568)
Also, if there was any wire tapping that actually did occur, it was done legally through a FISA court. These kinds of actions, like when we tapped Angela Merkel's phone, get approved/denied by a FISA court first and practically all the information about it is documented. Watergate saw to that standard being set.

Oh yea I'm sure it was all perfectly legal :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Silver_Shamrock 03-04-2017 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21594550)
There is no russian influence

Everything Trump promised in his campaign he is doing. Do you live under a fucking rock!?

Um, OBVIOUSLY there's at least the question of to what extent there was Russian influence. The FBI, CIA, NSA, and the rest of our country's top intelligence agencies would'nt be fucking investigating it if there was, as you say, "no Russian influence". These agencies don't just investigate things for fun.

Also, here's some light reading for you on the influence matter from the very much non-liberal Wall Street Journal:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-...sia-1483728966

MUCH more has come to light since that article, too, bear in mind.

Paul Manafort left Trump's campaign as chief of staff because of the exposure he'd had with Russian oligarchs in consultation work he did there. It was to dispel the question of whether or not there was some level of influence or the possibility of there being some.

And his campaign promises??

The wall: Mexico will not pay for it, it's going to be astronomically expensive (which no fiscal conservative will agree to spend $$ on), Trump himself has said parts of it will be "more like a fence".

Illegal immigrants: his first executive order was ruled to be unconstitutional, mass deportations (even if he got the courts to go along with it - which they won't) would require an entire new branch of gov't to handle it - and also cost millions upon millions of dollars to do just once.

Investigating/charging Hillary Clinton: he's not doing it just because he's decided to be nice, he quite literally won't because there's not enough 'there' there. Otherwise they would've continued.

Economy: sure, the stock market's doing great right now, but that is NOT creating jobs for lower to middle class Americans. For example, yes, Trump got the Bakkan pipeline construction restarted, but NOT with U.S. steel like he'd promised. Also, those jobs building it will be for a little over a year, maybe two. Then we'll see mass amounts of folks unemployed and/or homeless just like what happened up in North Dakota after natural gas infrastructure was finished.

That's just a start.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 01:45 PM

There is no investigation and there is no russian influence

More FAKE NEWS perpetuated by the democrats, who got smoked in the election

Silver_Shamrock 03-04-2017 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21594706)
There is no investigation and there is no russian influence

More FAKE NEWS perpetuated by the democrats, who got smoked in the election

Ohhh, I get it, you're one of these "I don't read anything cuz it's all libtard graffiti" types.

The FBI, CIA, and NSA aren't real concerned about who's a fucking democrat or a Republican or who won what. They care about our national security. And our national security as well as our electoral process that was/is being fucked with by the Russians. You're just repeating some bullshit you read in a Twitter feed. 26+ entire agencies, numerous retired national security advisers to prior presidents from both parties, and network server experts have all agreed on one thing: Russian intelligence was doing it's damnedest to influence our government by assisting Wikileaks, getting tight with the Trump campaign, and basically causing the types of arguments we're having right here.

Denial is a real bitch, my man. And simply repeating two sentences over and over doesn't sway people into your way of thinking.

xKingx 03-04-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver_Shamrock (Post 21594568)
Also, if there was any wire tapping that actually did occur, it was done legally through a FISA court. These kinds of actions, like when we tapped Angela Merkel's phone, get approved/denied by a FISA court first and practically all the information about it is documented. Watergate saw to that standard being set.


If it was legal, then Obama shouldn't have apologize for it. He had to because he got caught. So I don't know if Trump is lying or telling the truth, but it is not far fetched if Obama did it to other people. He would do it to Trump also.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594742)
If it was legal, then Obama shouldn't have apologize for it. He had to because he got caught. So I don't know if Trump is lying or telling the truth, but it is not far fetched if Obama did it to other people. He would do it to Trump also.

I don't see Trump lying about this at all

He probably had someone on the inside from the FBI finally come forward to him

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver_Shamrock (Post 21594733)
Ohhh, I get it, you're one of these "I don't read anything cuz it's all libtard graffiti" types.

The FBI, CIA, and NSA aren't real concerned about who's a fucking democrat or a Republican or who won what. They care about our national security. And our national security as well as our electoral process that was/is being fucked with by the Russians. You're just repeating some bullshit you read in a Twitter feed. 26+ entire agencies, numerous retired national security advisers to prior presidents from both parties, and network server experts have all agreed on one thing: Russian intelligence was doing it's damnedest to influence our government by assisting Wikileaks, getting tight with the Trump campaign, and basically causing the types of arguments we're having right here.

Denial is a real bitch, my man. And simply repeating two sentences over and over doesn't sway people into your way of thinking.

If you're concerned about the russians, then why not grill every single democratic congressman or senator who has met with the russians? Or hillary clinton doing side deals with the russians? or john podesta's connection with the russians?

It's complete fake news to distract from real issues

Bladewire 03-04-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594742)
So I don't know if Trump is lying or telling the truth..

Seriously? Look at his track record.

Donald Trump's file | PolitiFact

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21594760)
Seriously? Look at his track record :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Looks truthful to me

xKingx 03-04-2017 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21594760)
Seriously? Look at his track record :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

True, but Obama also been caught tapping people's phones. Look at his track record also lol

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594769)
True, but Obama also been caught tapping people's phones. Look at his track record also lol

Trump has access to information that the public doesn't

Bladewire 03-04-2017 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594769)
True, but Obama also been caught tapping people's phones. Look at his track record also lol

Donald Trump's file | PolitiFact

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21594775)

LOL politifact ...a total democrat owned and run site :1orglaugh

xKingx 03-04-2017 02:13 PM

Lets just say, Obama thinks Trump is getting help from the Russians last year. Is it so far out of the realm of possibility that Obama tapped Trump's phone to see?

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594784)
Lets just say, Obama thinks Trump is getting help from the Russians last year. Is it so far out of the realm of possibility that Obama tapped Trump's phone to see?

The left is now stuck :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Silver_Shamrock 03-04-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594742)
If it was legal, then Obama shouldn't have apologize for it. He had to because he got caught. So I don't know if Trump is lying or telling the truth, but it is not far fetched if Obama did it to other people. He would do it to Trump also.

Where are you reading that Obama apologized??? he made a statement the he himself did not order one. However, reports are saying that the FISA court did indeed start an investigation & perhaps ordered the wiretap. Keep in mind FISA court judges are a-political, as well.

Here's an excerpt from a Wired.com piece on this:

"Although no one has confirmed a FISA investigation, or wiretaps in Trump Tower, several news outlets have reported its existence. The most detailed account thus far, from the BBC in January, provided a timeline: The Justice Department sought a FISA warrant in June to intercept communications from two Russian banks suspected of facilitating donations to the Trump campaign. The judge reportedly rejected the warrant, and a narrower version sought in July. A new judge granted the order in mid-October, according to the BBC."

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-w...t-obama-worry/

Either way, Trump's folks need to provide proof of this wiretap. Otherwise, he's going to appear seriously delusional, as the truth of these things are going to come to light eventually.

marlboroack 03-04-2017 02:18 PM

Sometimes, you need to make sure you leave the country in good hands.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver_Shamrock (Post 21594793)
Where are you reading that Obama apologized??? he made a statement the he himself did not order one. However, reports are saying that the FISA court did indeed start an investigation & perhaps ordered the wiretap. Keep in mind FISA court judges are a-political, as well.

Here's an excerpt from a Wired.com piece on this:

"Although no one has confirmed a FISA investigation, or wiretaps in Trump Tower, several news outlets have reported its existence. The most detailed account thus far, from the BBC in January, provided a timeline: The Justice Department sought a FISA warrant in June to intercept communications from two Russian banks suspected of facilitating donations to the Trump campaign. The judge reportedly rejected the warrant, and a narrower version sought in July. A new judge granted the order in mid-October, according to the BBC."

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/feds-w...t-obama-worry/

Either way, Trump's folks need to provide proof of this wiretap. Otherwise, he's going to appear seriously delusional, as the truth of these things are going to come to light eventually.

So he needs to provide proof RIGHT THIS SECOND or it's fake

How about providing proof that he "worked" with russia to "rig" the elections? Any proof?

xKingx 03-04-2017 02:18 PM

That is why I do not argue with them, I just throw common sense at them. That makes them go quiet all of a sudden. Don't get me wrong I hate people on the right and left. All are crazy to me. I am a person that stays in the center on most things.

Bladewire 03-04-2017 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594784)
Lets just say, Obama thinks Trump is getting help from the Russians last year. Is it so far out of the realm of possibility that Obama tapped Trump's phone to see?

The FBI tapped the Trump teams phones after getting a FISA court order to do so when they learned of the hacking a year ago in June 2016.

These are all articles posted last year about the FBI's FISA warrant:

EXCLUSIVE: FBI ?Granted FISA Warrant? Covering Trump Camp?s Ties To Russia

BREAKING: FBI Issues FISA Warrant On Donald Trump ? Liberal Society

BREAKING: FBI STUNS America With Election Day Trump/Russia Warrant Announcement (DETAILS)

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594805)
That is why I do not argue with them, I just throw common sense at them. That makes them go quiet all of a sudden. Don't get me wrong I hate people on the right and left. All are crazy to me. I am a person that stays in the center on most things.

Yea, I just don't think it's something Trump would make 4 tweets about without being told about the wire taps...of course he was wired tapped, that's how politics work

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21594811)
The FBI tapped the Trump teams phones after getting a FISA court order to do so when they learned of the hacking a year ago.

Here's a story about it from back in November EXCLUSIVE: FBI ?Granted FISA Warrant? Covering Trump Camp?s Ties To Russia

So it's true?

xKingx 03-04-2017 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21594811)
The FBI tapped the Trump teams phones after getting a FISA court order to do so when they learned of the hacking a year ago.

Here's a story about it from back in November EXCLUSIVE: FBI ?Granted FISA Warrant? Covering Trump Camp?s Ties To Russia


Sure did FBI did, but you don't think Obama had knowledge of it or gave the order to do so. You know being the most powerful man on Earth at that time.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594832)
Sure did FBI did, but you don't think Obama had knowledge of it or gave the order to do so. You know being the most powerful man on Earth at that time.

Nah it's not like they arrested journalists or used the IRS to go after conservative groups or anything!

Bladewire 03-04-2017 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594832)
Sure did FBI did, but you don't think Obama had knowledge of it or gave the order to do so. You know being the most powerful man on Earth at that time.

Ok so you're not sure if Trump is lying and you think a conspiracy happened where Obama manipulated the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court into giving an invalid FISA warrant to the FBI where he could tap the Trump teams phones for a year, not saying anything throughout the whole election as his team lost.... for what purpose?

There is no motive for Obama to tap Trumps phones, only the FBI, and it turns out, for very good reason.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21594856)
Ok so you're not sure if Trump is lying and you think a conspiracy happened where Obama manipulated the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court into giving an invalid FISA warrant to the FBI where he could tap the Trump teams phones for a year, not saying anything throughout the whole election as his team lost.... for what purpose?

There is no motive for Obama to tap Trumps phoned, only the FBI

So they tapped his phone and found nothing

Bladewire 03-04-2017 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver_Shamrock (Post 21594733)
Ohhh, I get it, you're one of these "I don't read anything cuz it's all libtard graffiti" types.

The FBI, CIA, and NSA aren't real concerned about who's a fucking democrat or a Republican or who won what. They care about our national security. And our national security as well as our electoral process that was/is being fucked with by the Russians. You're just repeating some bullshit you read in a Twitter feed. 26+ entire agencies, numerous retired national security advisers to prior presidents from both parties, and network server experts have all agreed on one thing: Russian intelligence was doing it's damnedest to influence our government by assisting Wikileaks, getting tight with the Trump campaign, and basically causing the types of arguments we're having right here.

Denial is a real bitch, my man. And simply repeating two sentences over and over doesn't sway people into your way of thinking.

Notice how Trump is caught red handed by the FBI wiretaps and he's attacked the media "fake news", the intelligence agencies, the judges, and now Obama...Trump is scared and desperate. He's likely going to go into conspiracy mode soon and drag is followers down that dark rabbit hole :2 cents:

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21594871)
Notice how Trump is caught red handed by the FBI wiretaps and he's attacked the media "fake news", the intelligence agencies, the judges, and now Obama...Trump is scared and desperate :2 cents:

So what did they find? Absolutely nothing!

xKingx 03-04-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21594856)
Ok so you're not sure if Trump is lying and you think a conspiracy happened where Obama manipulated the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court into giving an invalid FISA warrant to the FBI where he could tap the Trump teams phones for a year, not saying anything throughout the whole election as his team lost.... for what purpose?

There is no motive for Obama to tap Trumps phones, only the FBI, and it turns out, for very good reason.


No I didn't say that and didn't say Obama gave the order. I am saying to think Obama didn't know they were tapping Trump's phone is laughable.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-04-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xKingx (Post 21594880)
No I didn't say that and didn't say Obama gave the order. I am saying to think Obama didn't know they were tapping Trump's phone is laughable.

Of course he knew what was going on

The whole system was against Trump

ruff 03-04-2017 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21594802)
So he needs to provide proof RIGHT THIS SECOND or it's fake

How about providing proof that he "worked" with russia to "rig" the elections? Any proof?

That's not how tRump works. He puts out the lie without proof and that's all he needs to do. His blog minions, of which you must be pivot man, do the rest. Spread the lie, deny the need for proof and then ignore. His stupid tweets have accomplished exactly what he set out to do. He lies even when he doesn't have to.

Do you wear knee pads? This administration is a huge circle jerk and I would think a pivot man would need knee pads.

Freedom6995 03-04-2017 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21594016)
I don't think that's something he would lie about

Care to share what it is that he would lie about?


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