"I don't see any difference between nubiles, babes and passion-hd."

What does that have to do with anything? Its clearly working. You can create your unique content that appeals to the minority and risk success. They copy that way because it works, there hasn't been a site thats copied it and it didn't work. Just because YOU want to be different doesn't mean it doesn't work

Where do you guys find logic in this. This is about what sells and you bring up points like, 'there are a bunch of sites so similar' ? Sure if new ones were like that and failing, you would have a point but they aren't and you dont

Not so great if you're worried about a $100 limit. It could be lower if you pay the fees on the transfers.

Of course I had, otherwise no one would know who I was. No one beats a path to a door they don't know exists. Wow!!!! $100s every 2 weeks, that makes you a high whale.

Agreed so a company has to do more than offer the consumers the same old cloned, cookie cutter porn that's more meat than sizzle.

As far Hustler hanging onto your $100 far months, again that says more about you than you think. don't you realise that by worrying this point you label yourself as a loser?

Seriously if you can't make $100 a month promoting a site, you're small fry.

When it comes to marketing my knowledge stretches far beyond making gif galleries. It's about what customers need. And as you point out a sites porn scenes are everywhere, so raising the bar above that avenue of promoting is essential. Your gif galleries won't promote a site as well as a BTS of models showing how much they look forward and enjoyed the work afterwards. All I did was take what movie companies have been doing for decades and suggest Hustler do it for porn.

Back in the 90s, long before Youtube and Social Media, I did the same on sample videos that I sold separately or added a clip onto tape. Most of my Astral Blue Content was 1-hour tapes of three scenes featuring 1 girl. The added sample guaranteed an extra sale. Astral Blue's re-order business was 85% of sales.

Which is why I don't respect people worried about a $100 limit.

I can afford a nursing home. Which is more than you can.

I get what you say and yes from the samples I saw Hustler needs to step up a lot on the actual production. But this is about what would make someone promoting nubiles, babes and passion-hd, etc. To add or switch to Hustler.

The hardest thing in selling and marketing is getting a competitors consumer/distributor/promoter to change course. SBJ is worried about not making a handful of sales a month. What if he was given the material to make those sales in less than 30 days? Because obviously, he's not making them today with his present sponsors.

Loyalty is the most important thing in sales and marketing, we are creatures of habit.

Will the prospective "customer" change brands from something they're familiar and comfortable with to someone they don't know other than a name? That's a tough sale.

Don't take my word for it because I'm just a photographer. Marketing getting customers to switch.

Before going into porn I marketed and sold £millions worth of goods including advertising. I was taught marketing by professionals.

Porn: I can't describe it but I know it when I see it. Isn't that the famous quote from some judge? LOL

I've sold millions of dollars of porn over the past decade so, um, yes I do know a little bit about porn. But I will break it down for you, it's so simple. Here it is:

IF IT GETS A GUY'S DICK HARD IT'S PORN.

And that, ladies and gentlemen (as this thread proves), is SUBJECTIVE.

Carry on.

Can you stop mentioning me in every post? I will not insult you anymore in this thread ok..

I am just replying to the topic and that was what would get me to promote them. I'm just tired of the stupid high min payouts. I actually posted to this last night cause I was pissed at another sponsor that I promote that is upping the min payout to $200. I'm tired of this trend. Sales are down and it cost us too much to send out $100 checks so we'll up it to $200.

What I'm saying is be different as a sponsor and lower the min payouts and you will see more small affiliates promoting.

The whole great debate. What is better a big affiliate that can send you 10 sales a day or 5 that can send you 2 sales a day? some will say the 10 guy cause the 5 will bug you for tools and stupid shit. I've done this long enough that I don't need stupid shit to promote.

For you, it's all about content but she never asked what is wrong with our product. She asked what would it take to get us to promote her stuff. I answered the question.

That's really hot! :thumbsup

It only works because it's the best you can find online ATM, in terms of models and picture quality. That doesn't mean it is the best porn and that everyone should copy that.

I wouldn't shoot something without my personal touch.

There is a difference between being a seller and being a pornographer. The latter takes pleasure in this .. the former only wants to make as much cash as possible and doesn't matter what he sells.

People can see the difference.

You bring up a really excellent point in terms of actually promoting a Program. Regardless of whether Paul Markham scoffs at affiliates complaining about $100 payouts being small-time or not - ironic since $100 in CZ where Paul lives probably pays all his medical bills for the month - it IS important.

If you, as an affiliate, promote hundreds of Programs, and each keep raising their payouts to above $100, then it gets insanely frustrating to have all that money "out there" and not getting any of it. So yes, lower payouts will attract affiliates.

:1orglaugh Succeeding in porn today isn't about basing your decisions on getting a select group of affiliates to switch to you. Affiliates are a very very small part of todays successful sites, unless you count tubes as an affiliate, which you can.

Sites that succeed today are seen on tubes, alot of exposure comes from tubes and ads. The better quality content you have, the better sales you'll get. Simple

Are you a producer? You dont really sound like one. From what i know, you are an affiliate marketer no?

You sound like you may be biased. It sounds like you want companies to just keep trying to pop out something brand new and great converting so you can make money or you can jerk off to but you are ignoring the business side of it and the fact theres a reason why companies dont and thats because they don't like pissing money away. Its not your money so its very easy to say.

I am in production and i have worked with large companies, i have access to actual stats and i have strong relationships with many large companies. I know exactly why theyre doing what theyre doing

The fact is, they produce porn like that because it works. Is there room to improve, yes. But thats the base you should work with. You would like to see completely different but completely different is a risk. Companies are generally afraid of taking risks, especially a company like Hustler who has proved not to reinvest into adapting, you think they'd come back and take a risk by creating something new? You need to prove a concept first before you dive in. Thats how business works.

Just like the car industry, you dont come out with something completely futuristic, even if you believe it to be 500x better. You need to introduce small things at a time and lead them towards something. If you want to come out with a new product thats a hit, you take what is being offered and make it better. So yes, they should be looking at the Vixen's, Blacked's, NubileFilms' of the world and seeing how they can be improved on without changing a ton, as it introduces an amount of risk.

Yeah the production quality of those types of sites have always been truly amazing but dark has never sold in porn and that was extremely evident real early. Its a very very small niche.

A large part of it is due to the fact they are set in a studio style setting, if they could achieve such a level of lighting and production in a living room at night, or a high rise apartment at night, i think it could be alot more successful. However the problem with that is you lose the control of light outside of that style studio. It requires alot more skill

yup, you get it. It's not about if I think I can make $100 in sales it's if I can make $100/200 to tons of different programs all the time. I'm 404ing all my nscash promo this weekend cause I won't waste my time promoting a $200 min payout program. I'll send my traffic to CB at $50 payouts.

Thought I'd throw out the idea here cause she asked the question and even had the word payouts in her first post. But sadly no programs care about what affiliates want so nothing will change.

Actually, they have nothing to lose.. anything new and different would be better than what they have now. :2 cents:

So.. your formula for saving the brand is using white backgrounds.. ? :1orglaugh

Joining the club of 150 similiar paysites with the exact same style of videos and probably the same chicks too.. ? I would expect something exceptional from brand like Hustler, not another generic porn production.. but as I said, anything new could help them at this point.

What would it take to promote Hustler?

If my team could cut the videos to promote it. Quite honestly, I don't why but most programs have some of the shittiest video tools. Its like they are all using the same cookie cutter approach to the videos they want us to use to promote their site.

Its hard to convert new members who have seen the same videos over and over on tubes/blogs etc...

I find the conversion rate is significantly higher when its custom cut videos. I don't even bother promoting programs who don't allow me to cut their videos.

It's knowing what gets a dick hard that's the skilled part. You have to wait for the stats to come in.

Don't start what you can't finish. OK let's debate the topics and leave personal attacks out.

Sales are down for everyone. This means profits are down for sponsors by a wider margin. Processing affiliates payments cost money. If raising the payments level cuts costs isn't that better than them going bust?

Is it really that hard to wait a month or two longer to get a bigger check?

:thumbsup

Anyone who creates or sells something without a personal touch is just going through the motions. It usually leads to making more money.

My health care is free, I live in a country that doesn't rip off patients.

I see your point about promoting 100s of programs. Maybe if affiliates offered to pay the costs of processing a payment sponsors might be more inclined to lower the limit.

Agree. The days of affiliates dominating what sponsors offer are over except for the large Tube Sites who want more content to sell ad space.

Sadly a lot of affiliates aren't moving with the times. They put up 100s of things linked to 100s of sites and hope something lands. Can't really call that promoting as it degrades the word. All they want is tools so they can add them and hope.

More sad is the lack of marketing from sponsors. Who creates content purely for marketing? And I don't mean editing a scene down to 10 minutes for a Tube site or creating a banner. Who creates an interesting promotion campaign on FB, YT, Twitter, etc? Let alone going outside that world.

Back in the day porn marketing was far more involved. Mainstream marketing involves a lot more than putting up banners and content then making sure they get the webmastering bit right and hoping someone buys.

How many threads have we seen with sponsors asking affiliates what they want or a sponsor telling us they have a new girl?

OP if you want more people to promote Hustler. Get Hustler to do something that warrants more people promoting you. And I don't mean lower the payments level or give affiliates more of the same content.

Lighting with a black or white background is a nightmare. One soaks up light the other bounces it back into the lens.

The problem with those Sinfulxxx scenes is the background, the photography, lighting, directing are great. The heat in the scenes I've watched is great. The problem is I can't associate with me fucking a girl in a room that's all black. I can't associate with a girl I have no interest in even though she's attractive it's not enough. It's too arty and not porno enough after a few views. The scenes start to be repetitive because sex hasn't changed in billions of years.

Paul what are you smoking? LOL Can I have some please? It's not the cost of processing that's causing some Affiliate Programs to raise their payout limits. It's called greed, or desperation from dwindling sales. It doesn't cost a lot to carry 1000's of affiliates once the promo tools are created. If it's a NATS Program then the cost of processing is around 4% per transaction.

No, the reason APs are doing this is to keep the money for as long as possible, no other reason. And from an affiliate's POV it's fucked up.

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The ignorance is amazing here :P

These money transfer services (MTA) are really for the persons outside of the US FED and the ECB. Really, International Electronic Funds Transfer needs a mechanism -- that is coming (<eventually>)

Minimum payments are an inducement to keep affiliates working when they are set at reasonable goals. $500 or $1000 is not a reasonable goal and should be considered abusive.

If you think anything with a white background looks the same, you'd be wrong. Those companies produce content that all look the same because they follow the EXACT same formula, if you think they all look the same due to more than normal amount of white, you'd be wrong. That is simply one thing.

And join the club of other 150 similar sites? If theyre all succeeding, then yes, join the club, thats a bad thing? Is the goal to eb different or successful? Did you forget the point of it all? And there isn't 150 sites with good content and white walls. List them. How many flagship sites and not simply bonus-sub brand sites that people onyl access as its an upsell, network pass etc

It may seem like there is more than you think due to the fact theyre the only ones succeeding these days. But theres a select few companies still relevant so no, there isn't 150 sites out there doing this

You have a small view due to your small business.

Can you explain why a sponsor wants to bother with tiny affiliates who can't wait 2-3 months for $100 or have people making 1 or fewer sign ups or rebills a month? I understand from a small business man's POV it's bad.

How is an affiliate promoting a site where he would have 100s of sponsors not making $100 over a 3-months? A gallery once a month, Tube site or a blog with a few posts about each site. Which one is it?

I agree with Barry, it's to encourage people to properly promote and not stick up anything that might just get a sign up one day. It's also to weed or deter these people.

As for getting rich off those small people, I doubt it.

Settings aren't so important so long as they fit the scene. What does matter is the authenticity of the porn and the way it connects to the viewer. How many times do we see a girl going through the same motions with music over the top?

Porn has to be more than just the meat.

Again, the term "rich" is subjective. And when you say 'why bother?' - as sadly many larger APs have done - it's usually because they get annoyed with the one or two affiliates asking for some custom banner size or some special access. Even with full-time "affiliate managers" there's only so much interaction a Program is going to have with an affiliate. Either they get their shit together (so no need to communicate regularly), they DON'T get their shit together (so no need to communicate) or they forget about you so you goose them (maybe they promote, maybe they don't).

Let's remember most porn companies are set to lazy these days, either gone fishin' or have already diversified. So "support" is a minimal thing across the board with many Programs. Those that still exist, shooting content, etc are mostly top notch and run things smoothly so they're a pleasure to work with on projects.

Everything I just said applies to ALL businesses, big or small. It's not about resources. Yes, payouts are set at $100 to both encourage affs and for accounting reasons. But when a payout is RAISED to $200 or above THEN it's a bad sign.

You didn't answer my question. What method is an affiliate using to promote 100+ sites?

There are many, many ways an affiliate can promote hundreds of Programs Paul. Here are just some:

review sites
link lists
TGPs
tubes
galleries
ad buys
traffic buys
SEO
white labels
Members Area upsells....

...and that's just off the top of my head. Persoanlly, I promote about 25 Programs in my various Member Areas and it does get frustrating to see $80 here, $72 there, $14 here....but eventually I reach the minimums and get paid. Now while I am not a "straight affiliate" (meaning I also own/run four Programs) I still want my affiliate money.

Bottom line: If when I signup a Program says the payout minimum is $100 and then they raise it I immediately drop them. Not because I cannot wait an extra month or two for payment (I can) it's because it's a bad fucking sign. LOL

Before ridiculous arrogance drove a lot of the beer money guys out of the business, all those smaller numbers of joins added up to a lot for SpookyCash as a program.

From the affiliate side, if you promote a lot of programs, then $70 times a lot adds up to a lot.

It always disturbs me when deadbeats who can't afford to pay $70 they owe call their creditors losers. It always disturbs me when anyone parrots that dishonest absurdity.

Congratulations, as of last Thursday Hustler took action to get the ship right again.