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The Porn Nerd 05-18-2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21775393)
I see your point about promoting 100s of programs. Maybe if affiliates offered to pay the costs of processing a payment sponsors might be more inclined to lower the limit.

Paul what are you smoking? LOL Can I have some please? It's not the cost of processing that's causing some Affiliate Programs to raise their payout limits. It's called greed, or desperation from dwindling sales. It doesn't cost a lot to carry 1000's of affiliates once the promo tools are created. If it's a NATS Program then the cost of processing is around 4% per transaction.

No, the reason APs are doing this is to keep the money for as long as possible, no other reason. And from an affiliate's POV it's fucked up.

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Minimum payments are an inducement to keep affiliates working when they are set at reasonable goals. $500 or $1000 is not a reasonable goal and should be considered abusive.

Pseudonymous 05-18-2017 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 21774844)
Actually, they have nothing to lose.. anything new and different would be better than what they have now. :2 cents:

So.. your formula for saving the brand is using white backgrounds.. ? :1orglaugh

Joining the club of 150 similiar paysites with the exact same style of videos and probably the same chicks too.. ? I would expect something exceptional from brand like Hustler, not another generic porn production.. but as I said, anything new could help them at this point.

If you think anything with a white background looks the same, you'd be wrong. Those companies produce content that all look the same because they follow the EXACT same formula, if you think they all look the same due to more than normal amount of white, you'd be wrong. That is simply one thing.

And join the club of other 150 similar sites? If theyre all succeeding, then yes, join the club, thats a bad thing? Is the goal to eb different or successful? Did you forget the point of it all? And there isn't 150 sites with good content and white walls. List them. How many flagship sites and not simply bonus-sub brand sites that people onyl access as its an upsell, network pass etc

It may seem like there is more than you think due to the fact theyre the only ones succeeding these days. But theres a select few companies still relevant so no, there isn't 150 sites out there doing this

Paul Markham 05-18-2017 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21776131)
Paul what are you smoking? LOL Can I have some please? It's not the cost of processing that's causing some Affiliate Programs to raise their payout limits. It's called greed, or desperation from dwindling sales. It doesn't cost a lot to carry 1000's of affiliates once the promo tools are created. If it's a NATS Program then the cost of processing is around 4% per transaction.

No, the reason APs are doing this is to keep the money for as long as possible, no other reason. And from an affiliate's POV it's fucked up.

You have a small view due to your small business.

Can you explain why a sponsor wants to bother with tiny affiliates who can't wait 2-3 months for $100 or have people making 1 or fewer sign ups or rebills a month? I understand from a small business man's POV it's bad.

How is an affiliate promoting a site where he would have 100s of sponsors not making $100 over a 3-months? A gallery once a month, Tube site or a blog with a few posts about each site. Which one is it?

I agree with Barry, it's to encourage people to properly promote and not stick up anything that might just get a sign up one day. It's also to weed or deter these people.

As for getting rich off those small people, I doubt it.

Paul Markham 05-18-2017 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous (Post 21776209)
If you think anything with a white background looks the same, you'd be wrong. Those companies produce content that all look the same because they follow the EXACT same formula, if you think they all look the same due to more than normal amount of white, you'd be wrong. That is simply one thing.

And join the club of other 150 similar sites? If theyre all succeeding, then yes, join the club, thats a bad thing? Is the goal to eb different or successful? Did you forget the point of it all? And there isn't 150 sites with good content and white walls. List them. How many flagship sites and not simply bonus-sub brand sites that people onyl access as its an upsell, network pass etc

It may seem like there is more than you think due to the fact theyre the only ones succeeding these days. But theres a select few companies still relevant so no, there isn't 150 sites out there doing this

Settings aren't so important so long as they fit the scene. What does matter is the authenticity of the porn and the way it connects to the viewer. How many times do we see a girl going through the same motions with music over the top?

Porn has to be more than just the meat.

The Porn Nerd 05-18-2017 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21776758)
You have a small view due to your small business.

Can you explain why a sponsor wants to bother with tiny affiliates who can't wait 2-3 months for $100 or have people making 1 or fewer sign ups or rebills a month? I understand from a small business man's POV it's bad.

How is an affiliate promoting a site where he would have 100s of sponsors not making $100 over a 3-months? A gallery once a month, Tube site or a blog with a few posts about each site. Which one is it?

I agree with Barry, it's to encourage people to properly promote and not stick up anything that might just get a sign up one day. It's also to weed or deter these people.

As for getting rich off those small people, I doubt it.

Again, the term "rich" is subjective. And when you say 'why bother?' - as sadly many larger APs have done - it's usually because they get annoyed with the one or two affiliates asking for some custom banner size or some special access. Even with full-time "affiliate managers" there's only so much interaction a Program is going to have with an affiliate. Either they get their shit together (so no need to communicate regularly), they DON'T get their shit together (so no need to communicate) or they forget about you so you goose them (maybe they promote, maybe they don't).

Let's remember most porn companies are set to lazy these days, either gone fishin' or have already diversified. So "support" is a minimal thing across the board with many Programs. Those that still exist, shooting content, etc are mostly top notch and run things smoothly so they're a pleasure to work with on projects.

Everything I just said applies to ALL businesses, big or small. It's not about resources. Yes, payouts are set at $100 to both encourage affs and for accounting reasons. But when a payout is RAISED to $200 or above THEN it's a bad sign.

Paul Markham 05-18-2017 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21776794)
Again, the term "rich" is subjective. And when you say 'why bother?' - as sadly many larger APs have done - it's usually because they get annoyed with the one or two affiliates asking for some custom banner size or some special access. Even with full-time "affiliate managers" there's only so much interaction a Program is going to have with an affiliate. Either they get their shit together (so no need to communicate regularly), they DON'T get their shit together (so no need to communicate) or they forget about you so you goose them (maybe they promote, maybe they don't).

Let's remember most porn companies are set to lazy these days, either gone fishin' or have already diversified. So "support" is a minimal thing across the board with many Programs. Those that still exist, shooting content, etc are mostly top notch and run things smoothly so they're a pleasure to work with on projects.

Everything I just said applies to ALL businesses, big or small. It's not about resources. Yes, payouts are set at $100 to both encourage affs and for accounting reasons. But when a payout is RAISED to $200 or above THEN it's a bad sign.

You didn't answer my question. What method is an affiliate using to promote 100+ sites?

The Porn Nerd 05-19-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21777706)
You didn't answer my question. What method is an affiliate using to promote 100+ sites?

There are many, many ways an affiliate can promote hundreds of Programs Paul. Here are just some:

review sites
link lists
TGPs
tubes
galleries
ad buys
traffic buys
SEO
white labels
Members Area upsells....

...and that's just off the top of my head. Persoanlly, I promote about 25 Programs in my various Member Areas and it does get frustrating to see $80 here, $72 there, $14 here....but eventually I reach the minimums and get paid. Now while I am not a "straight affiliate" (meaning I also own/run four Programs) I still want my affiliate money.

Bottom line: If when I signup a Program says the payout minimum is $100 and then they raise it I immediately drop them. Not because I cannot wait an extra month or two for payment (I can) it's because it's a bad fucking sign. LOL

AmeliaG 05-19-2017 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21773581)
The problem with people who are worried about a $100 minimum is, they're losers who can't convert or rebill 6.6 sign-ups a month. I don't see people like you forging a new future for anyone. Worried that in a few months promoting you might have only converted 5 surfers. Labels you.


Before ridiculous arrogance drove a lot of the beer money guys out of the business, all those smaller numbers of joins added up to a lot for SpookyCash as a program.

From the affiliate side, if you promote a lot of programs, then $70 times a lot adds up to a lot.

It always disturbs me when deadbeats who can't afford to pay $70 they owe call their creditors losers. It always disturbs me when anyone parrots that dishonest absurdity.

NemesisEnforcer 07-12-2017 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Holly Lez! (Post 21757852)
As you heard we are hard at work getting ready to launch a new HUSTLER. What would it take to get you to promote us again? Tools? Payout? Etc?

I realize this will leave me open to keyboard warriors but I can deal... bring it!:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Congratulations, as of last Thursday Hustler took action to get the ship right again.


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