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Acepimp 02-02-2018 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22190793)
No.

Republicans paid for opposition research on Trump. Opposition research is is routine in political elections. Once Trump became the Republican nominee, the DNC picked up the tab.

This is opposition research. There is nothing wrong with this. There is nothing illegal with opposition research. As is plainly the case here, both sides do this. This is routine.

This memo is trying to make it out like the DNC hired Steele and GPS Fusion to make Trump look bad. This is false. The Republicans originally hired Steele and GPS Fusion.

This opposition research / dossier was only a part of the investigation that lead to FISA warrants.

Hey Rochard:


The Republicans had the early version of the dossier BEFORE THE PRIMARY. After Trump beat them they gave up & had nothing to do with it after that.

The Democrats added a lot more fraudulent info. Knowing the info was false, they took it to the FISA court judge & got a warrant. THAT'S A CRIME

Facts are important, Rochard. Not sure why you keep covering up for these criminals.

:rasta

Acepimp 02-02-2018 12:27 PM

Oh LOOK I was right all along :1orglaugh

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Rochard 02-02-2018 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt-ADX (Post 22190799)
So the republicans hired Steele and Fusion GPS? Got a link to that, would like to read more

"During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon ? which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump?s rival for the party?s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida ? told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination."

Rochard 02-02-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 22190807)
Wrong the Republicans hired GPS fusion!

"After Mr. Trump secured the nomination, Fusion GPS was hired on behalf of Mrs. Clinton?s campaign and the D.N.C. by their law firm, Perkins Coie, to compile research about Mr. Trump, his businesses and associates ? including possible connections with Russia. It was at that point that Fusion GPS hired Mr. Steele, who has deep sourcing in Russia, to gather information."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/u...-expained.html

From your very own link:

During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon ? which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump?s rival for the party?s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida ? told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

Thee Free Beacon was funded by the same people who funded Senator Marco Rubio.

This is not open to discussion or debate. This is a fact. This was opposition research funded by Marco Rubio. You can beat your chest as much as you want, but no matter how you look at it this opposition research started with the Republicans.

The irony here is that Republican opposition research funded by Marco Rubio was picked up by the Republican led FBI and turned into a massive investigation that is threatening to take down the Republican president.

But let's talk about what's important - How Hillary Clinton colluded with the Russians.

Matt-ADX 02-02-2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 22190801)

Thank you sir

TampaToker 02-02-2018 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22190831)
From your very own link:

During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

Thee Free Beacon was funded by the same people who funded Senator Marco Rubio.

This is not open to discussion or debate. This is a fact. This was opposition research funded by Marco Rubio. You can beat your chest as much as you want, but no matter how you look at it this opposition research started with the Republicans.

The irony here is that Republican opposition research funded by Marco Rubio was picked up by the Republican led FBI and turned into a massive investigation that is threatening to take down the Republican president.

But let's talk about what's important - How Hillary Clinton colluded with the Russians.

So let me get this straight you stand by this part of your post? "The Republicans originally hired Steele and GPS Fusion"

Yes Republicans hired GPS but if you read what i posted i said GPS was hired by Republicans and if you read the link again it also says Steel was hired AFTER Clinton’s campaign hired GPS.

Rochard 02-02-2018 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 22190849)
So let me get this straight you stand by this part of your post? "The Republicans originally hired Steele and GPS Fusion"

Yes Republicans hired GPS but if you read what i posted i said GPS was hired by Republicans and if you read the link again it also says Steel was hired AFTER Clinton?s campaign hired GPS.

Not. Caring.

The Republicans started the original opposition research with GPS Fusion. Who they hired to do it is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Acepimp 02-02-2018 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22190855)
Not. Caring.

The Republicans started the original opposition research with GPS Fusion. Who they hired to do it is completely and utterly irrelevant.

^^ Blatant disregard for the facts! I already explained the Repubs involvement was BEFORE the primary. The DEMOCRATS spend $12 adding bogus info to it, Rochard. Hillary & Podesta are in deep shit!! Unbiased facts!

Clinton, Podesta And Others In Senate Crosshairs Over Dossier; Given Two Weeks To Respond

TampaToker 02-02-2018 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22190855)
Not. Caring.

The Republicans started the original opposition research with GPS Fusion. Who they hired to do it is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Well if you gonna post shit make sure its accurate then. What you posted was half true and half wrong.All you had to say was yea you were right what i posted was partial wrong. Would of that been that hard? Funny part was i actually agreed with you that the Republicans originally hired GPS :1orglaugh

2MuchMark 02-02-2018 01:14 PM

Nunes and Trump are playing a very dangerous game. Acepimp if you love the US so much, maybe you should stop being so lazy and defaulting to your very discredited beliefs and sources.

The Porn Nerd 02-02-2018 01:15 PM

FIDDY MEMOS RELEASED!

The reason Hillary is brought up so much by Republicans is because they know many Americans, including many Democrats, hate and do not trust her.

Same way the Democrats used to bring up Bush Jr., or Reagan, or Fox News. They were easy targets and piling on helps their side.

ALL of this shit reminds me of high school to be honest.

crockett 02-02-2018 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 22190849)
So let me get this straight you stand by this part of your post? "The Republicans originally hired Steele and GPS Fusion"

Yes Republicans hired GPS but if you read what i posted i said GPS was hired by Republicans and if you read the link again it also says Steel was hired AFTER Clinton?s campaign hired GPS.

Oct 15 to May 16th is how long Republicanswere funding it.. 6 months before the election is when they stopped..

DNC/Hillary hired the same firm in May of 2016....

Yet you guys try to claim it was all Hillary to fit your narrative.

CaptainHowdy 02-02-2018 01:18 PM

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Acepimp 02-02-2018 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22190877)
Oct 15 to May 16th is how long Republicanswere funding it.. 6 months before the election is when they stopped..

DNC/Hillary hired the same firm in May of 2016....

Yet you guys try to claim it was all Hillary to fit your narrative.

WRONG! I didn't claim that, I said The Repubs were involved before the primary. They lost to Trump, then passed the dossier on to the Dems. So YES Crockette, it was the DEMS who added more fake info and spend 12 million dollars, then fraudulently obtained a warrant. That's a crime, what aren't you understanding?


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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22190873)
Nunes and Trump are playing a very dangerous game. Acepimp if you love the US so much, maybe you should stop being so lazy and defaulting to your very discredited beliefs and sources.

It's dangerous to be transparent? You side with Adam Schiff who was desperate to hide it from us?? Wow Mark, you've gone off the deep end. This isn't about teams, it's about the truth of illegal spying and weaponizing the DoJ to rig the election for Hillary. THAT'S A CRIME

:rasta

Bladewire 02-02-2018 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22190873)
Nunes and Trump are playing a very dangerous game. Acepimp if you love the US so much, maybe you should stop being so lazy and defaulting to your very discredited beliefs and sources.

Stock market plunging past 600 points in the news. Bug business doesn't like Trump breaking the rule causes instability in the markets.

TampaToker 02-02-2018 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22190877)
Oct 15 to May 16th is how long Republicanswere funding it.. 6 months before the election is when they stopped..

DNC/Hillary hired the same firm in May of 2016....

Yet you guys try to claim it was all Hillary to fit your narrative.

wtf another idiot that cant read.. I AGREED WITH ROCKHARD THAT THE REPUBLICANS ORIGINALLY HIRED GPS. I WAS POINTING OUT THE FACT ROCKHARD SAID "THE REPUBLICANS ORIGINALLY HIRED STEEL AND GPS FUSION" Steel was brought on by gps AFTER Hillarys campaign hired them jesus christ!

Rochard 02-02-2018 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 22190869)
Well if you gonna post shit make sure its accurate then. What you posted was half true and half wrong.All you had to say was yea you were right what i posted was partial wrong. Would of that been that hard? Funny part was i actually agreed with you that the Republicans originally hired GPS :1orglaugh

The entire "memo" is half right. They are making it sound like they used this dossier to get a warrant. Anyone with any degree of intelligence knows this is not how it works. The FBI doesn't say "Hey, we got this dossier here and we want a warrant". Instead, the FBI gets the dossier, investigates EVERY part of it, and then goes to a judge and says "We have this document and we've investigated it, found out that most of it is true, and along with other evidence such as Page being under investigation for being a spy for Russia before he was working with Trump as well as Manafort, we believe we have a valid reason to get a FISA warrant".

And they did that three times.

If I understand correctly, each time they had a different judge too.

This is nothing more an attempt to obstruct justice.

Rochard 02-02-2018 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22190875)

The reason Hillary is brought up so much by Republicans.............

Benghazi.

We should have an investigation.

Acepimp 02-02-2018 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22190915)
Benghazi.

We should have an investigation.

Hey Rochard:

Benghazi Probe Finds Marines' Response Was Slowed by Uniform Changes

Intentionally delaying the rescue team, resulting in the death of Americans, is sickening and outrageous. I thought you cared about the military. My mistake, you prefer that crroked Hillary cover up her crimes. Not happening bud

:pimp

bronco67 02-02-2018 02:23 PM

All this memo does is draw attention to the fact that the Trump campaign's foreign policy advisor was on the FBI's radar as an agent of Russia since 2013. Great strategy for you to say "how dare you surveil our campaign worker who is also an agent of the Russian government". Fucking idiots.

It's like a murderer asking to have the cops arrested for catching him in the act of murdering someone.

Acepimp 02-02-2018 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22190929)
All this memo does is draw attention to the fact that the Trump campaign's foreign policy advisor was on the FBI's radar as an agent of Russia since 2013. Great strategy for you to say "how dare you surveil our campaign worker who is also an agent of the Russian government". Fucking idiots.

It's like a murderer asking to have the cops arrested for catching him in the act of murdering someone.

WRONG! Without the fake dossier, there would've been no FISA warrant. This was admitted under oath by McCabe. DOJ/FBI already knew dossier's source was unreliable & shouldn't be used, but filed application with it anyways.

Warrants were fraudulently obtained. DoJ was weaponized in an election campaign. CRIME.

Facts are facts, and those are crimes

:rasta

The Porn Nerd 02-02-2018 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22190915)
Benghazi.

We should have an investigation.

No, this is bigger than any one Hillary-related issue.

They have hated Hillary and hubby Bill since they "stole" George Bush Sr.'s God-given Right to be re-elected in 1992. The political witch hunts started and Hillary's response to that whole bullshit scandal were the seeds of why many people despise her.

Add that she appears to be a smarmy nerd bitch and she's an easy target.

onwebcam 02-02-2018 02:30 PM

Don't forget it is publicly admitted Hillary was not only bankrolling but pretty much running the dnc

NewNick 02-02-2018 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22190777)
So the DNC paid to have the dossier about Trump-Russia collusion manufactured, so they could use FISA surveillance (normally reserved only for known terrorists for sake of national security) to spy on the Trump campaign, in hopes of finding some kind of REAL dirt on Trump, in order for it to be leaked to the media and destroy his campaign?

Yeah, so what? Big deal. Now if they'd put as much effort into impeaching Trump for colluding with Russia to steal the election from Hillary, then Hillary would be sitting in the White House right now. When is THAT going to happen?

Vote Hillary 2020, 4 more years!!

No.

The REPUBLICANS paid for the dossier.

Acepimp 02-02-2018 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 22190949)
No.

The REPUBLICANS paid for the dossier.

WRONG AGAIN YOU LYING CLOWN!

DC Press Corps KNEW For a FULL YEAR Hillary Clinton Was Behind Russia Dossier ? HID IT FROM PUBLIC

:rasta

Acepimp 02-02-2018 03:00 PM

Julian Assange Moves in With Kill Shot After Comey Mocks FISA Memo

"James Comey, master of logic: FISA memo is nothing -- and also the destroyer of worlds."

:1orglaugh

Rochard 02-02-2018 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22190939)
No, this is bigger than any one Hillary-related issue.

They have hated Hillary and hubby Bill since they "stole" George Bush Sr.'s God-given Right to be re-elected in 1992. The political witch hunts started and Hillary's response to that whole bullshit scandal were the seeds of why many people despise her.

Add that she appears to be a smarmy nerd bitch and she's an easy target.

I've never liked Hillary Clinton. Don't get me wrong, she's perfectly qualified, but I just didn't like her. In the last election it was really "anyone other than Trump".

Hillary Clinton never did anything wrong. It is just nothing illegal about a high ranking government official sending email over a private server (although obviously there should be), and nothing at all was illegal about Benghazi.

These were nothing more than political attacks designed to destroy Hillary's credibility because everyone knew she would run for election. Every time an investigation failed to turn up any evidence of any hint of a crime they just turned around and started a new investigation.

Now we are faced with a very serious investigation - accusations that a sitting US President colluded with a foreign power to win an election - and a handful of Republicans are moving heaven and earth to obstruct justice.

Rochard 02-02-2018 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22190929)
All this memo does is draw attention to the fact that the Trump campaign's foreign policy advisor was on the FBI's radar as an agent of Russia since 2013. Great strategy for you to say "how dare you surveil our campaign worker who is also an agent of the Russian government". Fucking idiots.

It's like a murderer asking to have the cops arrested for catching him in the act of murdering someone.

It's batshit crazy. Sort of like this:

http://rochardsbunnyranch.com/rock/crazy.gif

Every time we are turning around we are finding more crimes. We already know for a fact the Trump campaign was working directly with the Russian government to some degree; We have foreign governments telling us Trump campaign members were bragging about how they had DNC emails before anyone in the US knew the DNC was hacked. We know they were directly talking to the Russians - one of them was flying to London to meet with Russian agents. Jared was trying to set up "secret back door communications". There was meetings with "attorneys" who are clearly working for the Russian government in Trump Tower.

We have multiple charged with money laundering, most likely involving banks used by Russians to launder money.

Now we have obstruction of justice - Hope Hicks said on a phone call "Those emails will NEVER get out".

People are flipping and rolling over, and testifying against every one else and causing them to flip. We know a handful of people have flipped - Imagine how many more there are that we don't know about. Some of them were talking directly to Russian agents, working against the US Government - best case scenario for them is going to prison for the rest of their lives and never ever seeing the light of day again.

Acepimp 02-02-2018 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22190971)
Hillary Clinton never did anything wrong. It is just nothing illegal about a high ranking government official sending email over a private server (although obviously there should be), and nothing at all was illegal about Benghazi.

Now we are faced with a very serious investigation - accusations that a sitting US President colluded with a foreign power to win an election - and a handful of Republicans are moving heaven and earth to obstruct justice.

WRONG! Mishandling classified intel is a crime! Espionage charge is appropriate.

There was no collusion between Trump and Russia you dope- the memo proves that the Steele dossier was unreliable and SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN USED to obtain a surveillance warrant. There's no obstruction, you are just repeating talking points from desperate democrats!

Acepimp 02-02-2018 03:17 PM

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The Porn Nerd 02-02-2018 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22190971)
I've never liked Hillary Clinton. Don't get me wrong, she's perfectly qualified, but I just didn't like her. In the last election it was really "anyone other than Trump".

Hillary Clinton never did anything wrong. It is just nothing illegal about a high ranking government official sending email over a private server (although obviously there should be), and nothing at all was illegal about Benghazi.

These were nothing more than political attacks designed to destroy Hillary's credibility because everyone knew she would run for election. Every time an investigation failed to turn up any evidence of any hint of a crime they just turned around and started a new investigation.

Now we are faced with a very serious investigation - accusations that a sitting US President colluded with a foreign power to win an election - and a handful of Republicans are moving heaven and earth to obstruct justice.

Oh I agree. Attacks against Hillary (and Bill) are coordinated, well thought-out plans of attack, not only against her credibility but also to undercut ANY investigation against ANYONE in the future.

The more pointless smoke screen investigations that waste the public's time and taxpayer's money the better. This way when a REAL crime occurs that investigation will not be taken seriously by the Electorate.

I am a chess player and I ONLY look at strategy. The particulars are just for fools to get caught up in. (Not saying you are a fool Rochard. LOL)

Helix 02-02-2018 03:33 PM

Ask yourself, what would have happened if Trump had Bannon shop a story to Brietbart about the collusion of Obama & Hezbollah and the DOJ/FBI went to the FISA court and used that Breitbart story as the basis for a warrant to spy on Obama?

Rochard 02-02-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22191001)
Oh I agree. Attacks against Hillary (and Bill) are coordinated, well thought-out plans of attack, not only against her credibility but also to undercut ANY investigation against ANYONE in the future.

The more pointless smoke screen investigations that waste the public's time and taxpayer's money the better. This way when a REAL crime occurs that investigation will not be taken seriously by the Electorate.

I am a chess player and I ONLY look at strategy. The particulars are just for fools to get caught up in. (Not saying you are a fool Rochard. LOL)

I was a hardcore Republican when Watergate happened. I was furious. This was nothing more than an attempt to make a sitting president look bad only because they wanted to embarrass him. This is not how I expected my government to act - then or now.

What's happening now is even worse. The Republican party is scrambling to obstruct justice at every turn.

Rochard 02-02-2018 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Helix (Post 22191005)
Ask yourself, what would have happened if Trump had Bannon shop a story to Brietbart about the collusion of Obama & Hezbollah and the DOJ/FBI went to the FISA court and used that Breitbart story as the basis for a warrant to spy on Obama?

I would be fine with it. Because when the FBI went to get a warrant on some bullshit it would have been shot down.

The FBI didn't say "here is a dossier so we want to get a warrant". The FBI said "We have this dossier, we've verified 75% of it, and combined with Carter Page being under investigation and other items, we have opened an investigation and would like to have a FISA warrant.

It's like Hillary and the uranium bullshit. They couldn't even get the FBI launch an investigation.

BaldBastard 02-02-2018 03:54 PM

Hang on its been said this memo omits many facts, whose to say that those retracted facts are not what "Else" was used to get the warrants of which we know there are dozens of things that could of been used. Trump is desperate to get rid of Rod Rosenstein, and sorry but to an outsider Trumps shot himself in the foot with this.

Meanwhile sanctions on Russia still not imposed and Russian political interference on webmaster / media content producer boards is still rampant. They were working places like this for a long time...

RedFred 02-02-2018 04:00 PM

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2MuchMark 02-02-2018 04:02 PM

As expected, the memo proves sweet fuck-all
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/02/polit...sis/index.html

2MuchMark 02-02-2018 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22190993)
There was no collusion between Trump and Russia you dope- ... There's no obstruction!

Face it - your boy scammed you and everyone else. He won't last the rest of the year. Sucks to be you!

EonBlue 02-02-2018 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22191021)
They couldn't even get the FBI launch an investigation.

That's because Obama, Clintons, DNC, Soros, etc., completely politicized and bought every department of the US government including the intelligence agencies and justice department. They are no longer impartial. I believe that is what is at the heart of this matter.

RedFred 02-02-2018 04:08 PM

Republicans make themselves look like fucking morons AGAIN. :1orglaugh


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