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EonBlue 02-02-2018 09:43 PM

I love (some) Russians.

https://i.imgur.com/shihk2D.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jxavjub.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Aps39MH.jpg

Rochard 02-02-2018 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 22191277)
You are one of the more civil people around here. I'm ok to disagree with people all day long as long as things stay civil. Just don't ever sink to the level of those other guys around here. Sorry if I come off the wrong way sometimes.

Thank you for noticing.

We can argue and debate, but there is no reason to jerks about any of it.

It's not that you came off the "wrong way" it's just if I don't know who you are and you have no sig I consider you a fake nick. I did the same thing to Bladewire until I contacted him directly.

EonBlue 02-02-2018 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22191297)
Thank you for noticing.

We can argue and debate, but there is no reason to jerks about any of it.

It's not that you came off the "wrong way" it's just if I don't know who you are and you have no sig I consider you a fake nick. I did the same thing to Bladewire until I contacted him directly.

Yep, agreed about the arguing and debating. I try never to be a jerk to someone who hasn't been a jerk to me.

Not sure what I could put in my sig as an affiliate to be honest. Nothing to add of value really. It would just cause more clutter.

BaldBastard 02-02-2018 10:10 PM

President's motives matter here! For months, legal scholars have debated whether the President's actions behind closed doors constitute obstruction of justice. Now Trump is doing it out in the open for all to see.

Bye Trump

Acepimp 02-02-2018 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22191317)
President's motives matter here! For months, legal scholars have debated whether the President's actions behind closed doors constitute obstruction of justice. Now Trump is doing it out in the open for all to see.

Bye Trump

HUH? What's the obstruction of justice? Please be specific

:rasta

EonBlue 02-02-2018 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22191317)
President's motives matter here! For months, legal scholars have debated whether the President's actions behind closed doors constitute obstruction of justice. Now Trump is doing it out in the open for all to see.

Bye Trump

Hey wait, shouldn't Bladewire be here making comments about you being a foreigner with no right to comment on US politics, or something like that?

Here let me do it for him - "go back to your foreign hellhole you filthy foreign scum! Your life is rotten in your shit-hole foreign country and you're nothing but a rotten foreigner and you're a broke-ass piece of shit with no life in your foreign country".

Did I get it right? Close? I'll work on it.

onwebcam 02-02-2018 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22191317)
President's motives matter here! For months, legal scholars have debated whether the President's actions behind closed doors constitute obstruction of justice. Now Trump is doing it out in the open for all to see.

Bye Trump

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

He's not going anywhere. Approval ratings are up

DNC is broke
New Filing Shows Democratic National Committee is Basically Out of Money
https://lawandcrime.com/politics/the...-out-of-money/

RNC is raising double, In fact broke the record for both parties.

Bladewire 02-02-2018 10:26 PM

^^^ Fake nic


Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 22191325)
Hey wait, shouldn't Bladewire be here making comments about you being a foreigner with no right to comment on US politics, or something like that?

Here let me do it for him - "go back to your foreign hellhole you filthy foreign scum! Your life is rotten in your shit-hole foreign country and you're nothing but a rotten foreigner and you're a broke-ass piece of shit with no life in your foreign country".

Did I get it right? Close? I'll work on it.

You don't speak for me!

I lived in Australia for 5 years without ever coming back to the United States I know exactly how Australians are and they are more honest and upfront than you will ever be. Australians are mates to Americans just like most Canadians. Of course you wouldn't know this you likely live in a shithole in Russia pretending to be one of us. Most Russian fake nics are like your profile. No info on the "person" who talks a lot if alt-right hate shit.

Oh and look you're trying to divert attention from the topic typical of trump deep ass lickers

onwebcam 02-02-2018 10:36 PM

More to come


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EonBlue 02-02-2018 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22191329)
I lived in Australia for 5 years without ever coming back to the United States I know exactly how Australians are and they are more honest and upfront than you will ever be. Australians are mates to Americans just like most Canadians. Of course you wouldn't know this you likely live in a shithole in Russia pretending to be one of us. Most Russian fake nics are like your profile. No info on the "person" who talks a lot if alt-right hate shit.

Oh and look you're trying to divert attention from the topic typical of trump deep ass lickers

Wow, you lived in Australia for 5 whole years. And now you get to generalize all Australians. And Canadians to boot. Awesome. But really you know nothing "aboot" Canadians. Eh?

And so sorry to shatter your illusion Caillou, but I am born and bred 4th generation Canadian. Come meet me for beers if you want.

Have you ever been to Canada? If so where?

Anyways you wouldn't know what the fuck you are talking about because you live in a shithole in Mexifornia pretending to be sane. Most lunatic fake nicks are just like your profile. No info on the "person" who talks a lot of incoherent gibberish.

Acepimp 02-02-2018 10:55 PM

They're going down folks! (Like i said before)

GOP Rep. To Seek CRIMINAL PROSECUTION of FBI, DOJ Officials over “TREASON” in FISA Memo


This memo is only the beginning. The Dem party is on it's last leg. They won't be winning any more elections for a loooong while :1orglaugh

:rasta

EonBlue 02-02-2018 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22191363)
They're going down folks! (Like i said before)

GOP Rep. To Seek CRIMINAL PROSECUTION of FBI, DOJ Officials over ?TREASON? in FISA Memo


This memo is only the beginning. The Dem party is on it's last leg. They won't be winning any more elections for a loooong while :1orglaugh

:rasta

Love your enthusiasm but you know they're just going to trash you for posting a link to Gateway Pundit. They'll never believe it until it's front page on CNN. Even then they'll just say that Trump bought CNN and made them print it.

Acepimp 02-02-2018 11:12 PM

BOOM: Nunes Speaks On DOJ-FBI Spying on Trump: ?Stuff that Happens in Banana Republic? ? ?I Don?t Know What They Were Smoking?


EonBlue 02-02-2018 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22191381)
BOOM: Nunes Speaks On DOJ-FBI Spying on Trump: “Stuff that Happens in Banana Republic” – “I Don’t Know What They Were Smoking”


Again, Fox News = free ticket for them to discredit it in their minds.

Let's face it - the only solution is going to be civil war.

EonBlue 02-02-2018 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22191329)
^^^ Fake nic




You don't speak for me!

I lived in Australia for 5 years without ever coming back to the United States I know exactly how Australians are and they are more honest and upfront than you will ever be. Australians are mates to Americans just like most Canadians. Of course you wouldn't know this you likely live in a shithole in Russia pretending to be one of us. Most Russian fake nics are like your profile. No info on the "person" who talks a lot if alt-right hate shit.

Oh and look you're trying to divert attention from the topic typical of trump deep ass lickers

Here you go buddy. If you're still with us in this reality, chill out with some good old (but new) Canadian music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE-R_nxtJls

(For some reason the embedded video isn't working. So direct link it is.)

Some good related trivia for you - the singer (Ewan Currie and his brother Shamus the keyboardist) of The Sheepdogs was born in Australia but moved to Canada when he was a kid.




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Acepimp 02-02-2018 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 22191389)
Again, Fox News = free ticket for them to discredit it in their minds.

Let's face it - the only solution is going to be civil war.

More & more democrat crimes will be exposed. At some point they will have to accept reality & join the liberty movement.

The next big scandal will be the payoffs to the fakestream media to propagate the Russia collusion hoax. Stock up on popcorn :1orglaugh

:rasta

EonBlue 02-02-2018 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22191407)
More & more democrat crimes will be exposed. At some point they will have to accept reality & join the liberty movement.

The next big scandal will be the payoffs to the fakestream media to propagate the Russia collusion hoax. Stock up on popcorn :1orglaugh

:rasta

Ya I agree. But at this point it doesn't matter what is exposed. Democrats will blame it on Republican malfeasance. Republicans will in turn blame it on Democrat malfeasance. And round and round it goes until civil war.

Get out while you can. Lots of room up here if you can stand the cold. And we're not prone to civil war because we're too spread out.

MFCT 02-02-2018 11:54 PM

This thread has degenerated into pointless squabbles. It started out good. But just look what its come to. Shame on all of you!

Only Karen Carpenter singing "Still Crazy After All These Years" can resurrect this thread now. So without further adieu...ladies and gentlemen....may I introduce to you, the late great Karen Carpenter.

Karen, the microphone is yours. Take it away.



https://youtu.be/npkQdLFnuXY

EonBlue 02-03-2018 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22191413)
This thread has degenerated into pointless squabbles. It started out good. But just look what its come to. Shame on all of you!

Only Karen Carpenter singing "Still Crazy After All These Years" can resurrect this thread now. So without further adieu...ladies and gentlemen....may I introduce to you, the late great Karen Carpenter.

Karen, the microphone is yours. Take it away.



https://youtu.be/npkQdLFnuXY

Good tune. As for the pointless squabbles - it's late. It's what happens. :)

MFCT 02-03-2018 12:07 AM

Its all good man, its all good....

https://i2.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com...-GumbyPR02.jpg

EonBlue 02-03-2018 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22191423)

Where did you get that picture of Bladewire?

OneHungLo 02-03-2018 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22191413)
This thread has degenerated into pointless squabbles. It started out good. But just look what its come to. Shame on all of you!

Only Karen Carpenter singing "Still Crazy After All These Years" can resurrect this thread now. So without further adieu...ladies and gentlemen....may I introduce to you, the late great Karen Carpenter.

Karen, the microphone is yours. Take it away.



https://youtu.be/npkQdLFnuXY

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

EonBlue 02-03-2018 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22191423)
...

Love your way of dealing with AdBlock on your site. I have some work to do. :thumbsup

EonBlue 02-03-2018 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22191211)
Fuck you and your demeaning bullshit move to Russia you cunt.

Tolerance. The left's greatest virtue.

EonBlue 02-03-2018 01:10 AM

https://i.imgur.com/n5j5PMB.jpg

^^^^ Fitting.

MFCT 02-03-2018 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 22191433)
Love your way of dealing with AdBlock on your site. I have some work to do. :thumbsup

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MFCT 02-03-2018 06:02 AM

Ok, back to the memo.

This guy is a libertarian. He is not democrat. He is not republican. He is not for either side. He's not against either side.

Therefore, his viewpoint on this memo should be the most unbiased, matter-of-fact presentation of the important points of this event. And their implications, if any.

So let's just sit back for a few minutes and see what he has to say. He should give us a fresh outlook on this important situation.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gznY1bGADtg

RedFred 02-03-2018 06:09 AM

https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...4d&oe=5B223871

Busty2 02-03-2018 06:18 AM

That about sums it all up :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mikesouth 02-03-2018 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22191211)
You sound like a Russian Putin stooge. Fuck you and your demeaning bullshit move to Russia you cunt. Disgusting.

hey like it or not shooting the messenger doesnt change it...this will get no more traction than Benghazi, The Iran Contra deal or any number of others that people simply dont understand...personally I blame government schools....mostly. Like it or not the only people who are gonna give two shits about this are The Foxers and the MSNBCers

FISA is an abomination just waiting for this kind of shit to happen....whenever the government wants to "keep you safe" by means of secrecy watch out....what they really aim to do is usurp more of your constitutional rights

CaptainHowdy 02-03-2018 07:09 AM

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crockett 02-03-2018 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22191603)
Ok, back to the memo.

This guy is a libertarian. He is not democrat. He is not republican. He is not for either side. He's not against either side.

Therefore, his viewpoint on this memo should be the most unbiased, matter-of-fact presentation of the important points of this event. And their implications, if any.

So let's just sit back for a few minutes and see what he has to say. He should give us a fresh outlook on this important situation.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gznY1bGADtg


Libertarian just another word for embarrassed Republican... I've yet to see a libertarian who thought for their self and had any serious views that differs from Republicans..

They all spew the same non sense which is absent from reality . Libertarians are like liberal arts majors... lol

Please show us all the great libertarian govts around the world.. They are a bunch of kooks who read ann rand and believe they are the special snow flake..

beerptrol 02-03-2018 08:32 AM

Nunes is Chump's lap dog/ flunky and has no credibility. He didn't see or read shit, instead he had his staff put the report together and i bet with the help of the White House.

Chump didn't sign the sanctions into effect that congress passed

He's a Russian stooge. Chump, republicans, and chump trolls love mother Russia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22191381)
BOOM: Nunes Speaks On DOJ-FBI Spying on Trump: “Stuff that Happens in Banana Republic” – “I Don’t Know What They Were Smoking”



BaldBastard 02-03-2018 09:04 AM

Maybe step back for a second clear your mind and see how other countries are reporting this..

Donald Trump is now in open war with those investigating his campaign

--

Anyone following the investigation into the Trump campaign's possible collusion with Russia will learn next to nothing from reading the so-called Nunes memo, and yet its release is significant, if only because it demonstrates how far the Republican Party is willing to debase American democracy in support of Donald Trump, and how weaponised conspiracy-mongering has crept from the fringes to the heart of American politics.

The memo is named for Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee that is ostensibly conducting its own investigation into the Russia allegations. Nunes is a loyal Trump soldier who made his name during the endless Congressional investigations into the Benghazi scandal that found absolutely no wrongdoing on behalf of Hillary Clinton, but nonetheless served its purpose admirably.

"Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping," the congressman Kevin McCarthy told Fox News in a moment of inadvertent candour.
Nunes later served on Trump's transition team and since Trump has been in office Nunes has used his position on the House Committee to hamper and discredit the collusion investigations.


Nunes had the memo drafted by staff relying on information gathered by the committee, some of which was classified. Broadly, the memo alleges that the collusion investigation is a politically motivated witch-hunt against Trump by conspirators in the FBI and Department of Justice, and that the FBI is engaged in a cover-up of its own political motivations.

Specifically it alleges that FBI investigators used the so-called Steele Dossier ? opposition research financed first by Republican and then by Democratic opponents of Trump ? in order to an obtain a warrant to conduct covert surveillance of a Trump campaign aide, Carter Page.This, the memo's Republican champions argue, is proof the investigation is politically tainted.

The problem is that while the investigators might have used the Steele Dossier, it was far from the only evidence they had gathered and used, and given that the rest of the evidence remains classified, it is impossible for the investigators, the FBI and the Justice Department to defend the integrity of their work.


Against the recommendation of these bodies and intelligence services, Trump nevertheless ordered that the memo be declassified and released on Friday.

In a statement the FBI has responded that it has "grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy".


Donald Trump and his allies are attacking key American institutions in order to discredit an investigation into foreign interference in a presidential election. They are aligning themselves with Russia in a conflict with the Department of Justice.
As Senator John McCain, one of the last Republican holdouts against Trump, put it in a furious statement: "In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy.

"The latest attacks against the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests ― no party's, no President's, only Putin's.
"The American people deserve to know all the facts surrounding Russia's ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller's investigation must proceed unimpeded ? If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin's job for him."

As a result of the Russia probe Trump has so far sacked an FBI director, James Comey, and forced out a deputy director, Andrew McCabe. A campaign is building among Trump allies to have the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein sacked. Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor who is leading the Russia investigation, was appointed by Rosenstein and reports to him. Asked whether he had faith in Rosenstein over the weekend, Trump responded; "You figure that one out."

These transparent attempts to end or influence the investigation by Trump have rightly earned him comparisons to the crook Richard Nixon, who ordered the firing of the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox, prompting the resignations of the attorney-general and deputy attorney-general, an incident that became known as the Saturday Night Massacre.
But there is a key difference between the Watergate and the Russia scandal.

Nixon was investigated not only by an energised news media, and not just by a special prosecutor and the Department of Justice, but eventually by patriotic Republicans in committees in Congress.

It may well be that there was no collusion by Trump's campaign, or that if there was it may be that Trump was unaware of it. But Trump's GOP, blithely elevating its political concerns over its nation's interests, is so far determined that Americans should never find out either way.

VRPdommy 02-03-2018 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22191733)

Chump didn't sign the sanctions into effect that congress passed

what is worse than not signing them is that he made public those Russian oligarchs who would have been the target of sanctions.
Giving them warning and time to move their assets before they become frozen in later acts that still can be completed by the house and senate committees.

Not looking good.
If any direct connection is made by Mueller, this is going to add fuel to fire.

Rochard 02-03-2018 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22191413)
This thread has degenerated into pointless squabbles. It started out good. But just look what its come to. Shame on all of you!

Pretty much exactly the way the general public received it. The President is saying this proves this is nothing more than a witch hunt, while the rest of the general public is saying the memo doesn't contain anything.

Rochard 02-03-2018 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22191733)
Nunes is Chump's lap dog/ flunky and has no credibility. He didn't see or read shit, instead he had his staff put the report together and i bet with the help of the White House.

Chump didn't sign the sanctions into effect that congress passed

He's a Russian stooge. Chump, republicans, and chump trolls love mother Russia

He didn't even read the original warrant and doesn't know what's in it. He also couldn't tell us if anyone at the White House helped to draft the memo.

At this point it seems to me - and I am obviously speculating here - it was written directly by the Trump team in their typical grade school language aimed directly at Trump's hardcore base. It makes one or two points which we already knew, and completely ignores 98% of the facts.

MaDalton 02-03-2018 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22191761)
Maybe step back for a second clear your mind and see how other countries are reporting this..

Donald Trump is now in open war with those investigating his campaign

--

Anyone following the investigation into the Trump campaign's possible collusion with Russia will learn next to nothing from reading the so-called Nunes memo, and yet its release is significant, if only because it demonstrates how far the Republican Party is willing to debase American democracy in support of Donald Trump, and how weaponised conspiracy-mongering has crept from the fringes to the heart of American politics.

The memo is named for Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee that is ostensibly conducting its own investigation into the Russia allegations. Nunes is a loyal Trump soldier who made his name during the endless Congressional investigations into the Benghazi scandal that found absolutely no wrongdoing on behalf of Hillary Clinton, but nonetheless served its purpose admirably.

"Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping," the congressman Kevin McCarthy told Fox News in a moment of inadvertent candour.
Nunes later served on Trump's transition team and since Trump has been in office Nunes has used his position on the House Committee to hamper and discredit the collusion investigations.


Nunes had the memo drafted by staff relying on information gathered by the committee, some of which was classified. Broadly, the memo alleges that the collusion investigation is a politically motivated witch-hunt against Trump by conspirators in the FBI and Department of Justice, and that the FBI is engaged in a cover-up of its own political motivations.

Specifically it alleges that FBI investigators used the so-called Steele Dossier ? opposition research financed first by Republican and then by Democratic opponents of Trump ? in order to an obtain a warrant to conduct covert surveillance of a Trump campaign aide, Carter Page.This, the memo's Republican champions argue, is proof the investigation is politically tainted.

The problem is that while the investigators might have used the Steele Dossier, it was far from the only evidence they had gathered and used, and given that the rest of the evidence remains classified, it is impossible for the investigators, the FBI and the Justice Department to defend the integrity of their work.


Against the recommendation of these bodies and intelligence services, Trump nevertheless ordered that the memo be declassified and released on Friday.

In a statement the FBI has responded that it has "grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy".


Donald Trump and his allies are attacking key American institutions in order to discredit an investigation into foreign interference in a presidential election. They are aligning themselves with Russia in a conflict with the Department of Justice.
As Senator John McCain, one of the last Republican holdouts against Trump, put it in a furious statement: "In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy.

"The latest attacks against the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests ― no party's, no President's, only Putin's.
"The American people deserve to know all the facts surrounding Russia's ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller's investigation must proceed unimpeded ? If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin's job for him."

As a result of the Russia probe Trump has so far sacked an FBI director, James Comey, and forced out a deputy director, Andrew McCabe. A campaign is building among Trump allies to have the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein sacked. Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor who is leading the Russia investigation, was appointed by Rosenstein and reports to him. Asked whether he had faith in Rosenstein over the weekend, Trump responded; "You figure that one out."

These transparent attempts to end or influence the investigation by Trump have rightly earned him comparisons to the crook Richard Nixon, who ordered the firing of the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox, prompting the resignations of the attorney-general and deputy attorney-general, an incident that became known as the Saturday Night Massacre.
But there is a key difference between the Watergate and the Russia scandal.

Nixon was investigated not only by an energised news media, and not just by a special prosecutor and the Department of Justice, but eventually by patriotic Republicans in committees in Congress.

It may well be that there was no collusion by Trump's campaign, or that if there was it may be that Trump was unaware of it. But Trump's GOP, blithely elevating its political concerns over its nation's interests, is so far determined that Americans should never find out either way.

I pretty much gave up argueing, no matter how reasonable your point is, Trump fanatics just scream insults at you

Trump was totally right though, he could shoot somebody in the middle of 5th avenue and get away with it. First thing that would happen among his supporters would be probably going through the victims history and trying to find out if it has immigrant roots and claiming it was totally deserved.

Rochard 02-03-2018 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22191761)
Maybe step back for a second clear your mind and see how other countries are reporting this..

Donald Trump is now in open war with those investigating his campaign

--

Anyone following the investigation into the Trump campaign's possible collusion with Russia will learn next to nothing from reading the so-called Nunes memo, and yet its release is significant, if only because it demonstrates how far the Republican Party is willing to debase American democracy in support of Donald Trump, and how weaponised conspiracy-mongering has crept from the fringes to the heart of American politics.

The memo is named for Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee that is ostensibly conducting its own investigation into the Russia allegations. Nunes is a loyal Trump soldier who made his name during the endless Congressional investigations into the Benghazi scandal that found absolutely no wrongdoing on behalf of Hillary Clinton, but nonetheless served its purpose admirably.

"Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping," the congressman Kevin McCarthy told Fox News in a moment of inadvertent candour.
Nunes later served on Trump's transition team and since Trump has been in office Nunes has used his position on the House Committee to hamper and discredit the collusion investigations.


Nunes had the memo drafted by staff relying on information gathered by the committee, some of which was classified. Broadly, the memo alleges that the collusion investigation is a politically motivated witch-hunt against Trump by conspirators in the FBI and Department of Justice, and that the FBI is engaged in a cover-up of its own political motivations.

Specifically it alleges that FBI investigators used the so-called Steele Dossier ? opposition research financed first by Republican and then by Democratic opponents of Trump ? in order to an obtain a warrant to conduct covert surveillance of a Trump campaign aide, Carter Page.This, the memo's Republican champions argue, is proof the investigation is politically tainted.

The problem is that while the investigators might have used the Steele Dossier, it was far from the only evidence they had gathered and used, and given that the rest of the evidence remains classified, it is impossible for the investigators, the FBI and the Justice Department to defend the integrity of their work.


Against the recommendation of these bodies and intelligence services, Trump nevertheless ordered that the memo be declassified and released on Friday.

In a statement the FBI has responded that it has "grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy".


Donald Trump and his allies are attacking key American institutions in order to discredit an investigation into foreign interference in a presidential election. They are aligning themselves with Russia in a conflict with the Department of Justice.
As Senator John McCain, one of the last Republican holdouts against Trump, put it in a furious statement: "In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy.

"The latest attacks against the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests ― no party's, no President's, only Putin's.
"The American people deserve to know all the facts surrounding Russia's ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller's investigation must proceed unimpeded ? If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin's job for him."

As a result of the Russia probe Trump has so far sacked an FBI director, James Comey, and forced out a deputy director, Andrew McCabe. A campaign is building among Trump allies to have the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein sacked. Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor who is leading the Russia investigation, was appointed by Rosenstein and reports to him. Asked whether he had faith in Rosenstein over the weekend, Trump responded; "You figure that one out."

These transparent attempts to end or influence the investigation by Trump have rightly earned him comparisons to the crook Richard Nixon, who ordered the firing of the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox, prompting the resignations of the attorney-general and deputy attorney-general, an incident that became known as the Saturday Night Massacre.
But there is a key difference between the Watergate and the Russia scandal.

Nixon was investigated not only by an energised news media, and not just by a special prosecutor and the Department of Justice, but eventually by patriotic Republicans in committees in Congress.

It may well be that there was no collusion by Trump's campaign, or that if there was it may be that Trump was unaware of it. But Trump's GOP, blithely elevating its political concerns over its nation's interests, is so far determined that Americans should never find out either way.

This is what everyone seems to think. The Steele dossier (which shouldn't be called the Steele Dossier at all being as he didn't write all of it) was one piece of evidence used to get warrants. They went to a judge and said "We have this dossier and we have verified 75% of it as true, and believe this is plenty to get a FISA warrant" PLUS they backed it up with other evidence such as Carter Page being investigated as a spy years before Trump decided to run for election.

On top of that, they went back multiple times to extend the warrant - which means every time they had to show proof the warrant was returning valuable information about crimes being committed.

A FISA warrant is a foreign intelligence warrant - they only use this when they believe an American is working for a foreign government. When they went back multiple times and had to verify the warrant was getting information about criminal activity - meaning an American working for the Russians - well, that pretty much says it all.

You have Carter Page who was under investigation for spying with the Russians before Trump decided to run. During the campaign he kept going to Russia. Then you have George Papadopoulos who was also working with the Russians.

This is the very start of the problem. Then we have other high level meetings with all three Trump kids (including Jared trying to set up "secret back door communications with the Russians).

We have secret meetings and direct collusion every time we turn around.

That doesn't even begin to explore the obstruction of justice charges.

It's stunning that anyone still supports Trump at this point.

Paul Markham 02-03-2018 10:04 AM

After more than a year, what solid evidence have they found? There is none or the FBI are shit.

Did Hillary have emails on a private server? YES

Did Hillary permanently delete some? YES

Is that legal? NO

But while the Democrats and Republicans squabble like children America goes further down the drain.

The US would be up shit creek if it couldn't borrow so much at such a great rate.

http://staging.snopes.com/app/upload.../debtchart.jpg

https://www.speaker.gov/sites/speake...?itok=RVkKx80g

Wars, unemployment, and more people collecting benefits will bankrupt you. Unless you start paying more in taxes.


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