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crockett 02-24-2018 04:12 PM

The bitching about this cop, is just the right wing trying to distract from the issue at hand. Notice they blame every fucking thing under the sun.. video games, mental health, 1st responder, bump stocks... but not the easy access to guns or high capacity guns.

Bryan G 02-24-2018 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 22218819)
Not defending Trump but not sure you have a great argument here while we have Trudeau as a prime minister. :Oh crap



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Hate Trudeau, but what excatly is your point??

SilentKnight 02-24-2018 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22218931)
I'm not saying a lone officer can't handle a gunman. Surely they can. However, odds are not in their favor. An officer shouldn't go rushing into a situation where they unaware of the tactical situation. Was there one shooter or four? Were they armed with handguns or assault weapons?

From a tactical stand point, he did the right thing. He took up a defensive position and tried to figure out where the shooter was, and then direct other officers onto the scene.

17 kids would thank him for "doing the right thing".

Except they're dead.






"Defensive position" = cowering

EonBlue 02-24-2018 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 22219067)
Hate Trudeau, but what excatly is your point??

Just that we're probably not in any position to be criticizing the US for Trump while we have our retard in charge. But maybe that's just me. More of an observation really. Not trying to argue the point.



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Rochard 02-24-2018 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22219077)
17 kids would thank him for "doing the right thing".

Except they're dead.

"Defensive position" = cowering

No. This is completely wrong. This was over in the first sixty seconds. Two minutes at the most. There is no way the single armed guard would have been able to find the gunman on the huge campus (3100 kids), no less be able to take him out.

This is what's wrong with arming teachers and armed guards at schools. It's not a solution - it's a response after kids have already been shot.

onwebcam 02-24-2018 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22219087)
No. This is completely wrong. This was over in the first sixty seconds. Two minutes at the most. There is no way the single armed guard would have been able to find the gunman on the huge campus (3100 kids), no less be able to take him out.

This is what's wrong with arming teachers and armed guards at schools. It's not a solution - it's a response after kids have already been shot.

Except the fact that it's stated even in your favorite news sources that he didn't act for 4-5 minutes WHILE SHOOTING WAS HAPPENING. In fact at least 3 other officers had shown up before anyone even went into the building.. Supposedly none of those 4 went into the building until AFTER Miami-Dade officers showed. You are just trying to sell it in your head Cruz unloaded a clip like a fucking machine gun, everyone was dead and it was over. He traveled multiple floors shooting people.... In fact 3 floors.

brassmonkey 02-24-2018 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22218987)
The bitching about this cop, is just the right wing trying to distract from the issue at hand. Notice they blame every fucking thing under the sun.. video games, mental health, 1st responder, bump stocks... but not the easy access to guns or high capacity guns.

there is something far dangerous and it's not illegal for anyone to own in its deadly form. :2 cents::2 cents: you just wait till people start using that...

DBS.US 02-24-2018 06:25 PM

Lets take a look at the video:2 cents:

onwebcam 02-24-2018 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 22219109)
Lets take a look at the video:2 cents:

Speaking of video... I wonder if we will ever find out who changed the time on the cameras. They thought he was still in the building because of this change... Which is why he made it out.....

crockett 02-24-2018 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22219093)
Except the fact that it's stated even in your favorite news sources that he didn't act for 4-5 minutes WHILE SHOOTING WAS HAPPENING. In fact at least 3 other officers had shown up before anyone even went into the building.. Supposedly none of those 4 went into the building until AFTER Miami-Dade officers showed. You are just trying to sell it in your head Cruz unloaded a clip like a fucking machine gun, everyone was dead and it was over. He traveled multiple floors shooting people.... In fact 3 floors.

Wait, I'm confused.. just the other day you were calling it all fake and all the victims were crisis actors.. Can you stop changing your stories.. pick a lie and stick with it..quit being a flip flopper..

Vendzilla 02-24-2018 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22218617)
I'm the first to admit that I would not charge a ar15 with a pistol...most people here would not do it either...

They carry modified Ar's and shot guns. Here in LA even the motorcycle cops carry AR's

The fucking left want us to rely on the protection of these buffoons and cowardly low life's that thought being a cop was a easy job just giving out tickets all day.

And for your information, in close quarters, I would prefer a good pistol over an AR-15. Most cops I've seen at the range can't shoot worth a shit.

onwebcam 02-24-2018 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22219129)
They carry modified Ar's and shot guns. Here in LA even the motorcycle cops carry AR's

The fucking left want us to rely on the protection of these buffoons and cowardly low life's that thought being a cop was a easy job just giving out tickets all day.

And for your information, in close quarters, I would prefer a good pistol over an AR-15. Most cops I've seen at the range can't shoot worth a shit.

I personally would prefer a pistol as well. Once they achieve the semi-auto rifle ban that will be the next weapon of choice by mass/school shooters to be gunned for banning..

SilentKnight 02-24-2018 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22219087)
No. This is completely wrong. This was over in the first sixty seconds. Two minutes at the most. There is no way the single armed guard would have been able to find the gunman on the huge campus (3100 kids), no less be able to take him out.

This is what's wrong with arming teachers and armed guards at schools. It's not a solution - it's a response after kids have already been shot.

Sheriff's deputy...not an "armed guard"

Since this simple fact obviously eludes you...it further invalidates any credibility to your spin attempt.

onwebcam 02-24-2018 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22219127)
Wait, I'm confused.. just the other day you were calling it all fake and all the victims were crisis actors.. Can you stop changing your stories.. pick a lie and stick with it..quit being a flip flopper..

You don't have a brain cell remaining in your head to understand and/or piece together what I've been saying since day one.

Vendzilla 02-24-2018 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22219133)
I personally would prefer a pistol as well. Once they achieve the semi-auto rifle ban that will be the next weapon of choice by mass/school shooters/to be banned..

Thing is, a .223 is a varment round, yeah it will kill, but not always, you hit someone with a .45acp and they go flying back 6 feet with parts of their body breaking away. Most shooting happens within 6 feet. And most cops wear body Armour and have access to heavy Armour vests.
I remember in the military them showing us a steel jacketed 45 that hit it's target and the steel peeled away making the round almost 3 inches long and thinking what that wold do to someone. Never understood why the US went to the 9 mm, it's not near as reliable in putting down someone.

The 45 was designed for a reason and you can find that here and know why it's perfect for today's armed conflicts https://www.ammoland.com/2016/07/his...#axzz5853jWOMP

DBS.US 02-24-2018 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22219133)
I personally would prefer a pistol as well. Once they achieve the semi-auto rifle ban that will be the next weapon of choice by mass/school shooters to be gunned for banning..

The Columbine high school shooters didn't have a AR!5
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K9xFzuuQMT...is_klebold.jpg

Vendzilla 02-24-2018 06:55 PM

Thing is I doubt the cops knew what the shooter was using, I mean they would have to go inside to see it wouldn't they?

VRPdommy 02-24-2018 07:00 PM

For one, I'm pretty sure I would not rush right in there either...
I don't blame any law enforcement for taking their time to assess the citation before possibly killing students themselves.
Most especially if I did not have a armored vest on and I did not know how many guns and people with them there were.(what I was up against).

The idea of having guns in the classroom where they potentially could end up in the hands of a irrational student without the teacher having a armored vest (since if it were known who had guns you would make them the first target).
Schools are for leaning and I hope some adults can learn something from this if they actually think everything through.

Before you know it, it's going to be cowboys and cowboys in the street and the rules of the old west will be law. That will sell more guns but not make you safer.
Yes I am for the 2nd and have more guns than most commenting here.

I find it ironic that a 18 year old can't buy smokes, beer and drivers licence starts off as a probationary instrument and many other things depending on your state, but can buy a AR-15 with no trouble at all.
Hmmm... which is more likely to kill anyone in the short term. If they are not 'grown-up' enough to make adult decisions about cigarettes and beer... WTF ?

EonBlue 02-24-2018 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22218987)
The bitching about this cop, is just the right wing trying to distract from the issue at hand. Notice they blame every fucking thing under the sun.. video games, mental health, 1st responder, bump stocks... but not the easy access to guns or high capacity guns.

Notice how the left wing blames everyone under the sun except the actual shooter?

This kid was such a whack job that he probably would have built a bomb if he couldn't get a gun.



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onwebcam 02-24-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 22219147)
The Columbine high school shooters didn't have a AR!5
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K9xFzuuQMT...is_klebold.jpg

Interestingly enough.. The 1994 Assault weapon ban was in effect then. Didn't stop them from obtaining that tec-9. I'd have to look back, how did they get their guns?

beerptrol 02-24-2018 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 22219165)
Notice how the left wing blames everyone under the sun except the actual shooter?

This kid was such a whack job that he probably would have built a bomb if he couldn't get a gun.



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You mean like the way you nut jobs rationalize. "He probably would have built a bomb" or ban knives and cars, because they are used to kill.

onwebcam 02-24-2018 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=VRPdommy;22219163]
Most especially if I did not have a armored vest on

He did.

So you think the military should do the same? Just not engage? After all they make less money.

You've bought right into it all. Hook, line and sinker.. Pussify the nation, take the guns, then conquer.. A cuck begging to be enslaved...

EonBlue 02-24-2018 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22219183)
You mean like the way you nut jobs rationalize. "He probably would have built a bomb" or ban knives and cars, because they are used to kill.

Yes Bladewire, just like that. Just like you fucktards call Trump a nazi thereby totally diminishing and trivializing the suffering and death of millions of people under the actual nazis. You holocaust deniers are fucking scum.

Anyways, you better start banning anything that can be used to build a bomb. And ban castor beans too. Castor beans can be used be used to make ricin. And chainsaws. The chainsaw was one of the funnest weapons to use in Doom. Wouldn't want kids getting any ideas. And while you're at it make murder illegal. That will definitely do the trick.



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brassmonkey 02-24-2018 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22219179)
Interestingly enough.. The 1994 Assault weapon ban was in effect then. Didn't stop them from obtaining that tec-9. I'd have to look back, how did they get their guns?

they used to have them in boxes of cracker jacks :helpme:helpme

onwebcam 02-24-2018 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 22219221)
they used to have them in boxes of cracker jacks :helpme:helpme

Probably did where you grew up :thumbsup

Rochard 02-24-2018 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22219137)
Sheriff's deputy...not an "armed guard"

Since this simple fact obviously eludes you...it further invalidates any credibility to your spin attempt.

Even better. He was a fully trained sheriff's deputy.

He knew that it was pointless for a single man armed with a handgun to go in and try to locate a shooter armed with an AR-15 assault weapon hidden in 3100 kids.

I am not trying to "spin" anything. There was one sheriff's deputy armed with a handgun going up against an known amount of gunman who were obviously armed with assault weapons. But everyone expects him to run into classrooms like John Wanye.

All of this talk about armed guards and arming teachers is pointless. All this does it respond to a shooting after dead bodies have hit the ground. Our government is doing nothing to prevent this. Again.

Tasty1 02-24-2018 08:48 PM

He just got his salary and saw how many vacation he got.
Not worth dying for he must have thought.

EonBlue 02-24-2018 10:14 PM

When Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel Was Accused of Corruption, He Responded: 'Lions Don't Care About the Opinions of Sheep'

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Asked about the allegations, Israel responded, "What have I done differently than Don Shula or Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King, Gandhi?"

He also said, "Lions don't care about the opinions of sheep." That's a paraphrase of a quote from the Game of Thrones character Tywin Lannister, a villainous public administrator known for promoting his family's interests ahead of the government's or the people's.
What an asshole. Obviously a piece of shit corrupt sheriff. No doubt he'll be running for public office as a democrat soon.




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EonBlue 02-24-2018 10:52 PM

A Total Failure of the State

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During Wednesday's horrible fiasco of a "Town Hall", Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel spelled it out:

What I'm asking the law makers to give police all over this country is more power.


I was sufficiently struck by the above to write it down - because it was clear even then that Sheriff Israel is an incompetent deployer of the power he already has. The scale of his department's appalling failure in the Parkland massacre gets worse almost hourly.

[..]

An honorable man would surely have tendered his resignation. On the other hand, sitting on stage, watching his voters jeer Dana Loesch and call her a "murderer", the sleazy creep can be forgiven for concluding that with constituents this eager to be misdirected why not string along? Their fury should have been aimed at him - and he should have spent his hour on stage ducked behind a podium demonstrating the policy-compliant incident-long Broward County crouch.
Broward County crouch! :1orglaugh





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SilentKnight 02-24-2018 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22219235)
But everyone expects him to run into classrooms like John Wanye.

Football coach Aaron Feis.

Had no gun. No kevlar. No police training.

He did the John Wayne thing. He died a hero saving children...while a sheriff's deputy cowered for up to 5 mins. in a stairway.

We expect police to do their duty - the duty they're sworn to do. To serve and protect.


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asse...xlarge-169.jpg

onwebcam 02-24-2018 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22219355)
Football coach Aaron Feis.

Had no gun. No kevlar. No police training.

He did the John Wayne thing. He died a hero saving children...while a sheriff's deputy cowered for up to 5 mins. in a stairway.

We expect police to do their duty - the duty they're sworn to do. To serve and protect.


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asse...xlarge-169.jpg

Don't forget about the ROTC student..

EonBlue 02-24-2018 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22219355)
Football coach Aaron Feis.

Had no gun. No kevlar. No police training.

He did the John Wayne thing. He died a hero saving children...while a sheriff's deputy cowered for up to 5 mins. in a stairway.

We expect police to do their duty - the duty they're sworn to do. To serve and protect.


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asse...xlarge-169.jpg

That guy is a hero. Could have been an even bigger hero, and possibly lived, if he was armed and had a chance to take out the shooter.

We'll never know.




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Tasty1 02-25-2018 05:01 AM

why take the risk while the parents probably have an NRA subscription and might also be blamed.

tony286 02-25-2018 05:35 AM

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/2...classroom.html

This says it all and one thing I forgot there have been attacks on places that were full of guns,fort Hood and the Navy Yard.Another thing I learned cops in a fire fight miss the target about 50 percent of the time.

bronco67 02-25-2018 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22218931)
I'm not saying a lone officer can't handle a gunman. Surely they can. However, odds are not in their favor. An officer shouldn't go rushing into a situation where they unaware of the tactical situation. Was there one shooter or four? Were they armed with handguns or assault weapons?

From a tactical stand point, he did the right thing. He took up a defensive position and tried to figure out where the shooter was, and then direct other officers onto the scene.

All of that goes out the window when there's a school full of defenseless children involved. Time to be a hero and put your life on the line instead of taking up a defensive position behind a car.

bronco67 02-25-2018 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22219145)
Thing is, a .223 is a varment round, yeah it will kill, but not always, you hit someone with a .45acp and they go flying back 6 feet with parts of their body breaking away. Most shooting happens within 6 feet. And most cops wear body Armour and have access to heavy Armour vests.
I remember in the military them showing us a steel jacketed 45 that hit it's target and the steel peeled away making the round almost 3 inches long and thinking what that wold do to someone. Never understood why the US went to the 9 mm, it's not near as reliable in putting down someone.

The 45 was designed for a reason and you can find that here and know why it's perfect for today's armed conflicts https://www.ammoland.com/2016/07/his...#axzz5853jWOMP

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The .223 loses forward energy when it goes into living tissue and exerts force in all directions doing max damage.

And nobody goes flying 6 feet when hit with any pistol, shotgun or rifle round. They debunked that on Mythbusters. You've seen too many movies.

SilentKnight 02-25-2018 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22219673)
All of that goes out the window when there's a school full of defenseless children involved. Time to be a hero and put your life on the line instead of taking up a defensive position behind a car.

Exactly. :2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

But this is something the Rochards of the world will never understand. Instead, they'll come up with a littany of excuses why it's okay to hide in a stairwell while innocent kids are being slaughtered.

Some people just make me sick.

beerptrol 02-25-2018 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 22219689)
Exactly. :2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

But this is something the Rochards of the world will never understand. Instead, they'll come up with a littany of excuses why it's okay to hide in a stairwell while innocent kids are being slaughtered.

Some people just make me sick.

It's easy to talk shit on a board. And a whole different thing when you are actually in the middle of it. So keep talking shit how you would have done this or that!

SilentKnight 02-25-2018 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22219711)
It's easy to talk shit on a board. And a whole different thing when you are actually in the middle of it. So keep talking shit how you would have done this or that!

You're right. It's very easy to talk shit on a board.

I'm ex-military...combat-trained. I know what I'm capable of.

You?

beerptrol 02-25-2018 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 22219329)
When Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel Was Accused of Corruption, He Responded: 'Lions Don't Care About the Opinions of Sheep'



What an asshole. Obviously a piece of shit corrupt sheriff. No doubt he'll be running for public office as a democrat soon.




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where as if he was a child molester he'd be running as a republican


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