Starting out with a 4 point bulletin of your desired changes that includes.

2) If you make zero new sales in a one-year-period, we reserve the right to delete your affiliate account.

That pretty much ends the discussion right there. That's not even an open discussion about the status of peoples freesites and how they promote you. That's an ultimatum that unless people send you new sales, your going to delete their account along with their rebills.

Hence, the reaction you've received so far.

But there is 10 more pages after that of pure passion. It was nice to see people still cared about leaving up old links. I told everyone who posted I wasn't deleting their accounts yet here we are:) The big bad GFY to misrepresent and shame.

NNMasters

I think if people are going to comment here, they should at least be able to read the original thread. Let them in! Let them in!

I think you are missing a very important thing here.

What you were suggesting isn't acceptable under any circumstances at all and all it has done is given affiliates reason to have pause in your judgement and continuing to promote you. It's not something that we should even be having a discussion about. It's unethical. 10 pages of discussion or whether or not you intend to do it are besides the point.

The fact that you were considering doing that is what has affiliates disturbed.

It's one thing to have your account cancelled and have your money taken away when you don't even know about it. That shit has gone on here for years with the large adult sponsors. It's another thing when somebody tells you straight up to your face that they are considering doing it.

Why can't I vent frustration about how affiliates are using our content on a private board to the affiliates? You guys do not respond to anything unless there is drama! That thread got the most replies in years. It did get some people to work on their sites. You even said it gave you a little spark to do some work.

It is weird to carry over on here when I don't know anyone, but if anyone wants to talk, I'm totally willing. Just to be clear, I made a shitpost on a private affiliate board, and people are misrepresenting it here. I think they should get to read it.

Terms page should cover all this. If when they signed up it was lifetime then it should stay lifetime. If ya buy a car with a 100,000 mile warranty do ya have to buy a new car every year to keep your old 100,000 mile warranty=no. Only reason to terminate someone is if they are using your content in a way not allowed which should also be in your terms. Set your terms and stick with them, if you make term adjustments that should apply to new affiliates and not fuck the old guys. Don't offer lifetime if you don't know the definition of it. If someone knows rebills will evaporate then they might have gone pay per sale. So in your terms put "years from now I may steal your rebills" Hell I've made boatloads of cash with some programs, stopped for year or two and came back when they dropped a new site that I thought matched my sites.


Way to keep it classy, why not just post names and addresses of all your affiliates and their numbers. Proving having a website and an affiliate program doesn't make ya business man with ethics.

If they signed up under lifetime and you're modifying terms to affect their rebills then yes you fall into shady fuck category.

I've never promoted you and based on this thread I would never touch anything you're involved with. :2 cents:

I really don't know what you run, could you let me know so we can be better aquatinted? I'm not sure what is wrong with putting in context the amount of sales/relationships with the people who are bringing this here? They brought a private conversation here.

I do agree about the rebill thing, actually. Probably shouldn't have said that. But I am not sure how to predict in 2001 all the various ways people will misuse the content in the future. And was trying to discuss with them in private my frustrations.

Retroactively modifying terms and cutting off rebills is not acceptable at all. If it was lifetime rebills when they sent the join, it should stay lifetime.

Won't promote this program. These bad apples get a lot of visibility on GFY. However most programs - like 98% - never get mentioned. Because there are no problems with them. There are enough other affiliate programs to choose from.

Well, that is unfortunate. If we would've planned on removing anyone's rebills, we would've just done it and hid out like everyone else does till the heat dies down. JOKING! I would not have made a post to talk to about it.

We have never taken anyone's rebills away and had no intention to.

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Anthony (Yes I know I used Your Name) I am going to try and be the bigger guy here... If you ever leave porn don't go into PR... The way you speak to people is unacceptable...

So let's analyse things, you made it big with 1 site, and on the back of that success had one hell of a ride, well done you, I am sure the hard work of both yourself and the model attributed to that success... but it seems that you think you can now talk down to people, and yeah by the looks of it especially me :Oh crap

My problem was every time someone tried to engage you in a open discussion about your proposed suggestion, you went off on one... now as a person who wears his heart on his sleeve too I understand that at times ideas seem good... and ego sometimes stand in the way of compromise... but dude, you just shot down every one and their work, even in here your reference to the likes of SJB and JScott continues that craziness...

You shot down Grisey and his work, you got the hump when Spunky made some comments/jokes, and even Phil Flash advised you it was a bad move... every time your reaction was harsh... even if with the bigger players you did seem to try and find some kind of restraint.

You told me my opinion (being a bottom feeder and grifter lol) was worthless, you told me the opinion of the 3 or 4 affiliates on NNMasters was worthless... why the fuck was you discussing it there then ? There's probably no more than 8 active members... and pretty much all of them have told you what a bad idea it is :Oh crap

My intention of posting here was not to expose you, at no stage did I mention you by name or your program and I wouldn't have... I just wanted to see if the general consensus in the industry was relevant, and seeing the only person who thought it was is Paul Markham, that really doesn't bode well for you...

I also told you that it was totally your choice to do as you please with your program, but because I then said people "affiliates" could then also chose to do what they pleased in regards to promoting the program, you went mental... so you want to think of me as the enermy... you want me to be the bad guy in this, ok what ever...

Up until recently I have had no issues with you, and been a fan of Pattycake... I wish I had the success you have... but your right in 17 years I am still fighting hard to make money, lots of sites, lots of programmes, I wish things had gone well, I wish I'd had that one crazy successful site... but judging the way you have reacted and dealt with this issue, maybe it's best I haven't cause I would hate to have that greater than thou attitude :disgust

Good luck with what ever you do... I am sure you will always be way more successful than me... :thumbsup

i do not have a greater than thou attitude, at all. You spam a lot. You can deny it, and people are so mad at me right now that they won't agree with anything I say, but it's annoying. You also made some weird comment about how all these "big programs" you talk to put down affiliates in private and don't care to create tools for them anymore. But if only affiliates promoted you, you would give them the world. It was something like that.

There are really only three or four solo paysite programs left, and they all bend over backwards for affiliates. So, that bothered me that you said that.

All this sounds stupid on here out of context, but you decided to bring it here to try to shame me and that is fine. I'll take the bumps, I deserve them!

I don't have anything else to say to you, though. Good luck to you, too.

LOL even your screen name sums up your attitude... Your putting words in my mouth right, I didn't say we would or could give people the world... far from it.

I mentioned the new freesite I am launching, that's me as a business trying to evolve, and realise that my own traffic is important, yes I know after 17 years, bit late in the day...

But yes I was surprised talking to some of the biggest programs out there, some don't do TGP's for example, I guess a reflection of how tubes have taken over... I am glad you posted the NNMasters link, could you link the exact thread ? People really do need to read it...

I didn't comment until page 4... but there had already been comments before me (like everyone who commented) telling you that you was WRONG. That's the bit your struggling with right, the fact you was so WRONG.

My original comment so people can see what let me in for this tirad of abuse was simply this...

Quote "Sorry but this thread does make me chuckle... I can only imagine how this thread would of gone if someone like "puretotty" had posted he was doing this... of course it is Anthony's choice how they run their business... me personally I can't agree with the idea, I am a paysite owner, and I have sales that have been rebilling for years, some we made through type in's... some from affiliates, from my prospective, regardless of new sales, or even new traffic... the affiliate helped generate that sale and they are entitled to their share for however long the member stays...

I do agree a lot had changed, I get a real feel with that now we're launching SlutBank.com I can't believe talking to some of the biggest programs out there, how little they seem to care for affiliates any more, and the lack of content/promo for affiliates, it does appear a lot have given up on the idea of FHG's for example...

Anyways any one can do what they want, of course other people likewise can respond to that action however they want too..." End Quote...

Yeah I am definitely the bad guy... :mad:

My username is a name of a dumb band I liked in 2004 when I signed up on here. I don't know how to change it, and I don't post on here often enough that it matters.

They need to join the board and then be approved to read the thread, so not sure what linking it directly would do. It is a private board, remember that part?

Hope it brings some new blood on there!

There, I did some more spam for you. Like I said, good luck!

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Anthony is part of #TeamSlutBank

And believe it or not I really do mean Good Luck to you, whether you believe it or not... I believe you had an idea, you now hopefully realise it isn't the great idea you thought and you wont implement it... every one can do as they please as I originally stated, every one can also come up with that cluster fuck of an idea... it's just whether they follow through on it when they realise it's a cluster fuck... so yeah even though I am sure you and Patty don't need my well wishes, they are sincere...

Really it's bad enough you posted my sales or lack of sales on a private board but now you are actually as it turns out posting LIES on a public board. After more digging in my stats I actually have made a sale in the last year. "2017-11-06 10:40:30 "

And as I said at the other board maybe I'd be more apt to update your promo if you sent out affiliate promo via email like every other program alive. When was the last time you updated your promo on your cash program? yup a year ago.

I put you on ignore at the other site cause I was tired of the one-sided convo. If you continue the same here I will do so here too.

Dude, how is your Alisa Kiss site doing? oh, that's right you deleted it without giving anyone notice via email. My bad.

ok i'm debating 2 things here now , as SBJ just said, sharing private affiliate info is pretty fucked

situation 1: he apologizes, admits he was wrong about sharing private webmaster information no matter the size or scale, and admits that stealing old affiliate rebills is .... well, theft. And from there we can look towards future of possibly building traffic and sales back to his sites.

situation 2: tell this piece of shit to delete my account i dont want anything to do with his sites or program anymore, once he does delete my account, i will remove all links (not that i make sales anyways), and anytime a mention of that site is brought up, i'll go into full explanatory mode.

BULLSHIT Full of LIES


New rules are already in affect. the "thinking" part is over with

These are the rules i have to stick to and i'm happy to tho

1) Pattycake affiliate accounts are no longer transferrable without our approval. This means you cannot transfer your affiliate account if you sell your site without talking to us first.

2) If you make zero new sales in a one-year-period, we reserve the right to delete your affiliate account.

3) Can no longer spam Freeones (board or link pages) without our approval. We don't like to see repeated links on there.

4) You must have an active freesite currently promoting us.

Now I'm happy to stick to the new rules i'm not a lazy webmaster. But if you want other affiliates to step up anthony step up your game as a programme owner, Nikki/madden every monday FHG without fail.

Got to run have football (Soccer )

Hmmm, isn't it up to the paysite to make the sale? All an affiliate can do is send the traffic.

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The updates on your sites were all older content than a year, we have been through that.


I am fine to not to business with you.


It closed down and all affiliates who were sending sales were notified. How is your BBW exgf paysite that you had all stolen content on?

Another fine lesson in proper Affiliate Support etiquette :thumbsup

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What is private information? sales numbers? I didn't bring this here and I tried very hard to talk in private with you. I feel what you did was kind of two-faced, but if you want an apology for the original post on NNM, I'm sorry that I posted that. I should've had a better way to do things. But I still wish to not have any future contact/business with you, so you can remove the links and we can both go our own ways. Good luck!

OMG you are full of fucking shit! you tell me I haven't had sales or rebills in 2 years and actually i've had like 7 rebills in last 2 years and a sale in last year.. you say i haven't posted any of your stuff in over a year but yet I have this on many of my sites
Sexy Pattycake Gifs - Adult Gif World

I don't list YOUR stuff cause you don't do promo.. you expect people to post content they see on your nips and other affilaite sites rather than provide content and FHGs..

lol you bring up my ex gf sites I haven't ran in over 3 yrs? lol

I'll be glad to be done with you BULLSHIT!


You sure aren't a people person are you? lol don't bother responding cause you have shown your true colors to everyone here.

I just don't want to deal with you anymore.

What is the proper and fair protocol to cut ties with an affiliate who you do not want to keep working with?

Obviously, I went about it the wrong way, so what is the RIGHT way?

This went well ...

It appears Mr Majesty graduated from the Alpha Sky School of Affiliate Management.

OMG I forgot about that program.. YES THIS! lol

His_Infernal_Majesty,

Did you used to go by the name of AlphaSky by any chance?

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I apologize, you had an active rebill that ran out in Jan 2017 from a sale you made sometime before 2014, so you did have a rebill since two years ago. I shouldn't have grouped you in saying that you had no sales or rebills in two years.

Fuck, you beat me to it. Dammit.

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I'm sorry, I don't know what that is, can you please fill me in?

more lies.. Learn how to read. I had a sale in Nov of last year (2017).. and yes those rebills were part of a 103 rebill sale from 2008.. I would think you would value people that have sent you sales that rebill that long but instead if they don't send you daily sales you don't give a shit.

Just stop replying to me cause no matter what you won't tell the truth other than what you think is your truth.

You don't know what what is? A name?

A name is a personal identifier that one uses to, well, identify ones self.

And I am asking if at some time in the past you used the name Alphasky (I misspelled it originally) as your particular personal identifier.

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Alphasky, no? I have only used this username.

I was asking how that related to this.

it's not the same person.. this guy has been in biz before Alphasky but they do seem to deal with affiliates the same way in public :2 cents:

Well, thank you for saying that, SBJ, I do appreciate it. I wasn't sure how to prove I wasn't someone else.

And thank you for posting my real name in a public board.. Keep stooping to new lows there.

what's next you post my Social Number?

It is related in that he was also an asshat who showed that he knew nothing about how to run a proper affiliate program and treated his affiliates like crap.

So, I was just wondering if you were him.

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I fixed it

Well that's very nice. We have been open very long, and paid people for a very long time, but no I do not know how to run a proper affiliate program anymore, you are right!

Rebills are for life. always!

Only exception is when an affiliate breaks your rules. not sending new sales (or traffic) is not a valid reason to cancel an account with active rebills

You can always make a rule that rebills only count for a year (for new affiliates) if you don't want lifetime revshare. but it can only count for new affiliates and has to be super clear (and i know that would be a reason not to promote you, or promote with pps from my point of view) but something like that is always a option.

You can also change your tos and sales from may 2018 only rebill a max of 12 months. (but i would expect you will lose affiliates because of this) Sales made before may 2018 should rebill lifetime.

I think every limiting factor in revshare is just dumb. They send the sale, without them you would never have had that sale, so why would it be ok to cut them out is beyond me.