That was my mistake because I have only communicated with you on NNM before and that was ok. I wasn't doing that to be a jerk.

Not if you are thinking that you can cancel people's accounts while they have active rebills you don't.

Lifetime rebills are lifetime rebills, not rebills until you decide you aren't making enough money or getting enough sales or whatever.

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We don't want to limit rebills, I was just venting frustration to/about these particular affiliates on a private board. We all have a long history, but we have never cheated anyone ever.

I understand that it looks bad on here out of context, but I agree it is dumb.

You are right, we are NOT doing this, I was trying to get these particular people motivated to update their sites on a private board. Obviously, not the best way.

Solo sites are different than overall adult. Can only make sales with some of these guys but they don't really update their sites anymore, so I was frustrated and handled it poorly.

We just have to stay open somehow until we can no longer stay in business then. It's been a good run!

What you posted on the board. like canceling rebills if someone doesnt do any new sales in a year. while i think it would be a bad call. you can always do that kind of thing. Aslong as you state those rules clearly, and it only counts for new affiliates.


I didnt mean to say you tried to cheat anyone, i dont know you, never worked with you. so i can't comment on that


My main point is you can make any rule you want, aslong as you state it in advance clearly (rules that arent normal like this, would need to be clearly written and known by new affiliates, to avoid misunderstandings)

Or you can ask the affiliates what you should do to get them to do more promo for you instead of making suggestions that any reasonable person would know would piss people off.

What a concept, ya know.

AlphaSky was the same way. Nobody could tell him anything, he knew it all and took a site that had tremendous potential and kind of ran it n to the ground following his own advice.

The site he ran was TheAppleTwins.com - site is still there, don't know if it gets any traffic any more or not. Had awesome potential, now it just kind of sits there.

Just my :2 cents:

Good Luck to everyone involved.

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We started in 2001 and things have really changed a lot. Our TOS has always been literally "50% Revshare". We couldn't really predict what the future would bring to where we are now.

We haven't had any new affiliates sign up in a few years, beyond people selling sites then the buyer of that site then signs up. So even things in that case, where all our content that we licensed out to the original person just gets sold and transferred to a new person and we can do nothing about that?

As with most solo webmasters, we are a very small operation.

We have tried that. This has been declining for many years. We have offered to buy sites, link trades, etc. I was frustrated and handled it poorly, though. I own up to it completely.

Ok, I know who they are, thanks for the context!

Well new rules would apply to those webmasters buying the sites (and signing up with you) then right?
And you can dmca the people buying those sites ofc (if you dont want them as your affiliate) I don't really see a benefit for you, with doing that. But it is your content you give a person/site rights to use. you dont have to allow it once the site is transferred.



What i don't get, why is it an issue if someone doesnt send new sales, but does have people rebilling.
It's not like that will cost you extra. you pay an x amount for scenes shot, an x amount for servers/employees/software.
Every extra sale/rebill will generate revenue that will cover those costs. I don't see how it matters if someone makes 10 sales a month.
or makes 0 sales in the last 5 years, but does make 10 rebills a month.

(if someone doesnt make rebills nor sales, it asume they dont have any traffic either, you can always close affiliate accounts that meet those criteria aslong as they have 0 active signups with you that could potentially still rebill)

They have traffic and sites, they just choose not to work on them. They could make sales, but they just don't feel like it. They take our content and put up cam ads over the content so they get the SERPS for our brand (and other solo sites) but when you go to the page it's a giant cam ad on top of the fold (do people use that term anymore?) then you can scroll down and see an old gallery of ours. Just one example, of something we did not foresee in 2001 when we created the site.

I have tried many other ways over the past few years, I am now my own affiliate as I build out my own sites, but they can't even be bothered to do link trades. There are a couple guys who still work very hard, though. All solo paysites are not doing well because of this kind of stuff, it's not just me. That is going to hurt these current affiliates who are still working.

The rebill thing was the only way I felt I could motivate them as a last ditch effort. I agree, not the best idea.

Don't you have in your terms that content provided by you can only be used to promote your sites?

That is a pretty normal requirement from the programs I have ever signed up for.

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i asume your tos does have a rule to be able to cancel your connection with an affiliate for any and all reason right?

For your massive cam ad example. Just contact them and tell to remove those ads or remove your content from those pages. (promo content on a page should mainly be used to send traffic to that specific site, not to other sites)

If they don't comply you can always warn them 1 last time with account closure as punishment

They are promoting the site technically. There is a link at the bottom of the gallery, and maybe a 468x60 banner above the gallery, but not above the fold. I don't want to give people shit over an ad or two to the side or something reasonable. There are so many gray areas now, I could be here all day. I actually don't really want to police their sites, I just wanted them to put new content up, even under the cam ad or to tell me what I can do to get them to do this. They only replied at all THIS TIME because of the incendiary nature of the original post in the thread. I hate that it had gotten to this.

But we have no fleshed out terms about anything, it just says "50% Revshare". It was 2001, people in adult were pretty decent to each other back then. Basically, we just beg not to give away too much of our member content. Some of the NNM affiliates were mad over that a few years ago, as well, when we had to stop giving them free passes to the site. A lot of the guys weren't updating the sites then, either, and this was like 5 years ago. They just wanted the free pass.

We updated our FHG up until last year up until I saw they weren't being used at all, and current affiliates were pulling the new updates off my own affiliate sites so I just went with that.

We did not set rules like that. We didn't know what we were doing when we started. I guess some people will say that we still don't. I don't know the protocol to cut ties with an affiliate.

We had one guy recently throw a fit and say our content "sucked" because his rebills from Jan to Feb fell from 10 to 7. He purchased a site from an old affiliate back in August. And we are that guy's top seller. So now we are stuck with this new kind of attitude that we couldn't predict. Do we have no recourse for this? This kind of thing is was what set me off the most. We did not have in the TOS to not treat us like garbage.

Solo traffic, for the most part, is from just a couple of affiliates. And we all dealt with each other on that private board.

No fucker through a fit other then you, said the zip sales sucked... not the content.. the sale for the zip.

Then you spat your dummy out and turned into a 4 Page thread.

July......

Were... you have been passed, like i told you before that you aren't top anymore.... keep thinking you are tho if it rubs your huge ego any better.


As shown by this thread you are in the wrong and the masses of people call it what it is theft.

But i also think you should take a look at youre own sites, before spitting out your dummy at anyone elses

You going to police yourself ?

Sexy Pattycake Darth Patty No Panties - Sexabulous.com Nothing at the top of the gallery to click through to pattycake

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http://www.88gals.com/pattycake2.jpg

Why you promoting other sites in the middle of pattycake content ? Surely the content from a paysites should be used to promote that site only and not other sites.

Isn't this what you want to stop pattycakes content being used to promote other sites.... so confused right now

I’m not sure where it is “masses”. It’s mostly the same few guys from NNM then a couple people chimed in who said killing rebills is dumb and I agreed with them.

But case in point. Do I HAVE to keep working with someone who acts like this? I mean what is the proper way to cut this guy off because I do not want to let him use my content anymore.

If I let him keep the rebills can I DMCA the content? Can someone give me a clear answer on this?

Best/Most honest way to cut ties with him would be to tell him (2 weeks in advance?) you will turn all his new sales in to 0% revshare (so he will not get paid for new sales) and you no longer want his business. and that he needs to remove your content

Then keep his account active for the rebills he still has from before this point. once no more rebills come in, close the account and pay every outstanding balance (even if it's below a min payout)

If he does not remove your content after the 2 week period, you would act like you found the content on a pirate site (dcma?)



I would only do this with a good reason, because if it's for nonsense it wouldnt be strange other affiliates get scared.

But i think this would be a honest solution.

You can buy my rebills x 12 months and i'll remove pattycake :thumbsup

On nnm you are still acting like a cock, at least on here you admit you went around it the wrong way.

Technically none of the content was liscenced to him. He purchased the site last year off another guy and that is who made most of the galleries. All the galleries he made himself were pulled from my own freesite not from fhg in my cash program.

Because you don't send affiliate content out, yet whine people don't promote pattycake and add galleries.

Catch 22 there.

If you want affiliates to be active you have to engauge... this is how other programmes get galleries added to there sites by sending affiliates content.

Last FHG added 1 year ago, i'm 9 months in, show me the cash programme with the new content ? ohhhh wait

I have already addressed why we stopped adding fhg. Thank you for the advice. Please remove all our content from your sites. We will not touch the rebills. You earned them. But we want no further business with you.

Because people used it from your own sites. so why you now whining yet again when people do that ?

If you don't want people to do that email out FHG, do whine that no one has used FHG because YOU haven't updated it in a year, so you actually stopped 3 months before i got the sites.

Yet if i didn't use the content you would be asking why she wasn't on the sites.

I'm removing all content but as I have like 10 free sites it will take some time to remove it all.. Maybe I'll clean one site a day.

Good luck

We never asked you to promote our site. You purchased off an old afffilaite and it’s been nothing but problems with you since. I never had issues like this with anyone else. Please remove our content. Thank you!

That’s up to you ether way. Good luck to you, too.

You on Crack your thread on NNM was directed at people that didn't promote pattycake and you would steal rebills unless they made a sale.

That whole thread according to you was to motivate people to promote pattycake.

Again catch 22 if you are going to see you arse then people use the content you post, because there is nothing else.

So at what point am I the jerk for sending a DMCA to this guy?

Do as you please man FFS :thumbsup

You seem nicer on GFY maybe you should come here more often :thumbsup

You don't seem to have huge fucking ego you have on NNM were you are right in every post ( in youre mind)

I just wanted to point out, that just this past week or so I upped my pricing for initial joins, so on new sales you should see a 100% bump... and on rebills, they will still be a low price point, but if you are patient... they will grow and hopefully add up. I am seeing my 6 plus month rebills grow a lot since the reinvigoration-ism of my sites.

Sorry for the topic derailment...

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two-faced? I said you're a thief if you steal affiliates rebills, how can I become more transparent than that?

We stole no one's rebills. We were having a private discussion with some affiliates. I already apologized, as you requested, for using the terms I did. But it was a discussion on the private board and not on here.

We are a program that vented some frustrations over the state of things. This is true.

But, it is also true, that we are a program who has paid people steadily for 17 years, and reached out to try to help affiliates make more sales. I was "mean" to some of the other guys who posted here on the other board. There were other histories and backstories that surround that, though. But I was very nice to you. We did not have other surrounding issues, and I valued your opinion.

PMed you, but forgot to give you my email.

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On it now...

Phil... did you get the email???

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