I've posted the clip where the South Korean foreign minister says "Clearly, the credit goes to President Trump." I don't know what else anyone needs to give him even 1% credit. For some reason, they can't do it.

They must have super secret back channels to both Korean governments I guess. Straight to Moon and Un themselves, who told them specifically that Trump had nothing to do with this. And then they send out their foreign minister to lie about Trump deserving some credit because he would torpedo it if they didn't tell that lie. Even though he's had nothing to do with it so far, he would kill it if they don't lavish praise on him. But he has no connection to it. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

If I had that kind of connection, I guess I would be able to form the same opinions.

Unfortunately for me, I don't have that kind of access. I have to use logic. I have to ask questions. I have to wonder why they would not consult with the U.S., their strategic partner in the region, on such an important thing. No talks at all on this historic summit. Yep. I'm sure the State Dept woke up and said "Wow, look at that. And not even an email wondering what we thought." Completely logical.

Concessions.

When you don't make any, your a cunt.

This has been explained multiple times, as usual your one sided propoganda can't see reality and need it explained over and over again like a special education student.

Why did Trump say Kim Jong Un is "honerable"? Diplomacy, the same reason SK's prime minister is mentioning Trump, who hasn't even met with Kim Jong Un, and just begged the Chinese to follow through with sanctions.

The credit goes to the Chinese, South Korea and North Korea. But people like you who idolize a do nothing liar... don't get why a man who did nothing for ending the South Korea War doesn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize

https://i.imgur.com/0QfV4HP.jpg

^^This pretty much sums it up :1orglaugh

But.. it must be Co signed by the USA due to the American/ South Korean arms agreement. Keep in mind at one stage the USA had more than 900 Nuclear armed missiles in the south, pointed North and the USA slaughtered more than 3 million civilians when they last invaded.

It was estimated when Trump came in to power that North Korea had 5 nukes, now that estimate is over 60.. all capable of reaching the USA. Nothing has caused North Korea to ramp up their nuclear program more than Donald Trump.

All North Korea so far have announced is they will be closing their main nuclear test site, which we know from reports after their 100ktn bomb test the facility nearly collapsed. ( At a guess I'm betting North Korea need help cleaning this up as its now their own Chernobyl... ( just a hunch no proof ) )


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South Korea desperately needs a peace deal to be signed, any step is a positive step for them. Its just up to Trump to be the first American president to accept North Korea as a nuclear state and sign it.

And despite all the bullshit surrounding it.. that's the guts. Will Trump accept North Korea as a nuclear state?

And then for the bad news, North Korea gets rid of its nukes, then the South will have to as well AND THAT INCLUDES VISTING WAR SHIPS ;) Bankrupt and disarm North Korea, then China will move in with Russia right behind. Because of North Koreas isolation any change, any peace plan is going to take a few generations to work out. North Korea is reported to have the largest stockpiles of Chemical and Biological weapons.


BTW I do credit Trump with helping, its a combination of China, South Korea, USA, Russia and basically every other country on the planet, that brought us to this point.

I don't like giving to much respect to Trump directly though, more to the American public. We know North Korea has Biological and Chemical weapons, they have long range missiles that can reach USA mainland and they have a nuclear arsenal, we also know America's missile shields are not 100% fail safe.

Trump played chicken with every Americans life, just like he trashes the markets on a twitter rant.

So Kudos to Trump for that he owns it.

After a dubious feeling of the American and Chinese leaders about the historic Korean summit ...

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Egocentric Trump quickly put to his own benefit the apparent success of this summit ...

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/img/...618b4a89d.jpeg

It is clearly Trump's comrade win.))

Putin just took credit on RT

What mean "credit"? :1orglaugh

No doubt. Thank you for showing the intelligence to realize South Korea isn't run by morons. You seem aware that the South Koreans didn't wake up and dismiss the fact that the U.S. has 30k+ military personnel there and a mutual defense treaty with the primary focus of that defense treaty being to defend against North Korean aggression. You were able to realize that President Moon had to have some form of communications with the United States in these matters and didn't just say "Fuck the U.S. - we're going this alone!"

Yes, I can see why you would think that and it's certainly possible it's true. Unlike some, I am capable of entertaining multiple possibilities. Here's another - just food for thought. Is it possible at all that there are things we don't know? Is there any chance that people on a porn message board don't have the same information that say, military intelligence has? Maybe they could have informed the decision making of President Trump and he didn't unilaterally threaten fire and fury without any fear of civilian American lives and similar callous disregard for all of South Korea and what would happen there? Is it possible he's not completely insane? I already know what 2 people will say.

Yeah you're right he just talked shit, lied & bluffed via Twitter like he does everyday to get by, day by day nothing special, or hard earned about that, Kim Jong Un has been doing the same thing for years.

Truth.

And what resulted from that shit talking, lying and bluffing?

That question is for others. I already know your position. Trump supporter Elmer Fudd caught molesting rabbits and ducks.

Add Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc to that list of American Presidents that did nothing.

So the American Fleet anchored close to NK is nothing.

Seems to work better than previous Presidents.

just a reminder that they are not disarming at all :thumbsup

Paul, pay attention. The last ambassador to South Korea took the only cell phone with him and we haven't been able to speak with anyone there since then. They had no choice but to decide the U.S. will have no role in their future and decided to take security matters into their own hands. No consultations with Washington ensued.

In basically everyway that's exactly what Moon will have to do and face if they sign it.. what's America's purpose there again? One the signing is done.. then the real work starts and it will be full of conflict.


So North Korea didn't kill Kim's brother with VX? They didn't test 100ktn nuke bomb, nor did they pop a missile over Japan for the hell of it and they don't have a military all trained in Chemical and biological weapon deployment?.

USA flew 3 fully loaded b52 bombers straight at the country and turned them 15 miles out... Trump must have amazing faith in north Korean satellites and military intelligence to trust not only that North Korean systems worked but they didn't fail. North Korea very much can hit back at the USA, most countries couldn't but they could. Its not a war they could hope to win, but they surly could punch some knock out blows.

I hope the North and the South can come to some peace deal, if America stopped provoking the situation if might of happened years ago, fuck America can't even make peace with its Mexican neighbours so why the USA thinks it can do it in more foreign lands I have no idea.

Denuclearize the North, remove sanctions.. China moves in to North Korea and takes over.

I'm not sure I understood? You are saying that South Korea is going to tell the U.S. to fuck off in the region? That is your prediction?

re: America's purpose - I believe the policy of the U.S. Government is changing. What it was before will not be the same as it will become, and is becoming, every day. We had bad actors dictating insanity - bombings, invasions, millions of innocent people dead. Personally, I don't care who gets the credit as long as it ends. I have merely pointed out that it is a ludicrous notion that South Korea ignored our partnership in the region and acted unilaterally to have a peace summit, with ZERO influence of their PARTNER.

If you guys have business partners, I sure hope you don't treat them that way.

Did I say that? I am missing the relevance.

Keep an eye on Jordan (the country).

... :1orglaugh You praise South Korean President Moon Jae-in, and he in turn personally declares that President Trump deserves the Nobel Prize for facilitating the entire process. If Obama had done the same, the liberal world would be creaming its pants and calling for gold statues to worship.

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...ident-11353799

You try so hard to hard to throw shade, but always come away looking butthurt and miserable.

To be fair, President Moon's comments were in response to the widow of the late South Korean President Kim Dae-jung, who suggested that President Moon should get it. Ever humble, Moon really only wants peace and would be happy to give our substantially less humble President the prize instead.

Of interest in the article is this quote:

"In January, Mr Moon said Mr Trump "deserves big credit for bringing about the inter-Korean talks. It could be a resulting work of the US-led sanctions and pressure".

When will Mr. Moon stop lying to the press about President Trumps deserved credit? We have it on very good authority of two posters here that Trump deserves NO credit at all and that the U.S. had NO role in this process.

President Moon is a great man, but I wish he and his officials would stop lying to the press about this issue.

The American fleet has been circling NK for decades. We have tens of thousands of US troops in South Korea.

Imagine the shock of our troops when they learned that the South Korean government took it upon themselves, with ZERO coordination with the U.S., their best ally and partner in the region, to hold an unprecedented peace summit without our support. That's right, you heard it here at GFY first - we had NOTHING to do with this, despite the lies told by the South Korean President and his foreign minister giving credit to President Trump.

How betrayed and bewildered our troops must feel.

"President Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize. What we need is only peace," Mr Moon told a meeting of senior secretaries, according to an official who briefed media.<-------

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well according to the same official I have unicorns...also I am invisible when nobody is watching...also I can fly when I flap my hands but you can not notice it because I fly only 1 molecule high :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Everyone knows that showering Chump with praise will work. SK needs america if they want to end the war with NK and get a better trade deal. The moment Chump thinks he's being fucked with he go on a rampage and lie . So it's in their best interest to stroke chump's ego.

NK leader has met with China's and SK's leaders which has more to do with anything. While chump sits on his ass and tweets.

True. And we have yearly exercises at their border, and they shoot off a bunch of missile exercises in return.

Yes, I have understood the arguments of your compatriots. President Moon Moon Jae-in of South Korea is a liar and is attempting to perpetrate a fraud by giving credit to President Trump because that is what works.

I wonder how this strategy would work for Iran? They need to get on the bandwagon soon since EVERYONE knows this is the path to success. Why are they being so mean to President Trump when all they have to do is shower him with praise to get whatever they want?

Prediction: This claim will be forthcoming soon as President Trump deals with Iran. But, of course, it won't be anything he does. There will be some reason he will not have ANY responsibility for ANYTHING good that happens over there.

You're correct. There are no current negotiations for President Trump to meet with Kim Jon Un. He's just tweeting from his chair. Why would Kim first meet with his benefactor and neighbor, China? How rude! And he meets with South Korea first as well? His blood brothers? This makes no sense.

because that's not their style/strategy of diplomacy. Why doesn't Merkel shower trump with praise? why doesn't she get on the bandwagon? because it's not her style.

it is macron's style of diplomacy when dealing directly with trump. it's also moon's. it's also the same style some US business leaders adopted when high 5ing themselves for handing out minuscule employee bonuses due to trump's corporate welfare tax bill.

many leaders realize that praising the president reaps benefits.

if i were to fathom a guess, i would bet moon is praising trump to try to make sure trump does not blow up the moon un deal.

So the reason is, unless President Trump receives praise for something he has taken no part in, he will blow up a peace deal, potentially risking war, death and destruction.

And that seems more likely than the South Koreans think he might deserve some credit?

Oooooookay.

Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Oh lovely you're so desperate you're posting with your DynaMo nic again. Love watching you meltdown :banana

wrong. what i stated is exactly opposite of how you misunderstood it.

what i stated is moon is smart enough to know that trump responds favorably to praise. not that trump is smart enough to actually have a plan.

reality dictates trump's already risked war(s) and continues to do so. He'll blow up any and every deal he feels like, that's a fact, not an opinion.

i've been working my ass off on some new businesses the last couple of years, i'm taking a well-deserved break, i figured some mindless jibber jabber about politics would be fun.

call it a fake nic meltdown if you want but i call it on vacation

I disagree with your analysis of what you have written, even if it was not your intent. What you frame as diplomacy, others might rightly call lying. It is diplomacy if President Moon has the majority of the credit (which he may well have) and yet he gives that credit to President Trump. If Trump has NOTHING to do with this peace accord and they are saying that only to curry favor, that is lying.

I also disagree with your opinion (hardly fact - look up the word) that Trump will blow up any deal he feels like, but who has the time...

it's naive to believe there's no lying in international diplomacy. no wonder you have no time for facts.

I didn't say I didn't believe that. I'm just making sure we name what you are claiming accurately.

Did you place a fact that I missed?


fact
noun
a thing that is indisputably the case.

:2 cents: :thumbsup

absolutely right, which is why it´s hats off to Moon :thumbsup

What part did the US play?

Did the US set this meeting up? Did the state department play part? The Secretary of State? Our ambassador to South Korea? Was anyone from the United States part of this meeting? At this meeting?

The United States played no part in this. We didn't plan it, we didn't organize it, we didn't supervise it, we didn't even have someone there.

Maybe this was exactly what was needed - the United States (and other countries) to top interfering with the peace process.

You're an asshole on your one year old throw away nic with 96 posts. I really hope you pay consequences someday for the shit you pull, you probably already are with a really miserable lonely sad depressing life :D

I have no idea. I don't have the apparent access to these agreements that you do, that you can so confidently state our non-involvement.

I don't know. Do you? How do you know these things?

Again, how do you come by this knowledge?

Ah ha! Suddenly, a light bulb appears...

That took longer than I had hoped.