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we are 50 years away from computers replacing cam girls...if you understood how incredibly complicated it is to make a realistic 3d model, let alone animate and render it in real time and high definition so that it looks even remotely realistic...100-s of people work months for 5 minutes of avengers CGI...the whole movie is shot in 2-3 months and then the CGI takes like a year....

meanwhile a broke girl will work with almost 0 investment...

paul markham...the dumbest mother fucker on the internet...

idk but yall can call me lil jeesus up on thse webz cus a player bounce back every time with some 9d9 ratios ya undersmelldigfeel me

shout out all my og soldiers on all them dupes that used to ride through the storm with a player

Please play this song in the background as I drop this jewel.

https://soundcloud.com/sg808z/the-re...gh-renegade-ii


Yall dumb as shit the next big thing is going on in multiple ways

Most importantly paysites/camsites are becoming less popular than "premium" accounts that are nothing more than normal accounts on various chat clients that surfers pay to access. Everything is getting consolidated in a way, idk if thats the right word cus im dumb as shit too.

Average Joe can create a snap, film a day worth of content, stream and interact with customer all from one place. Then they easily create multiple social media profiles to gain followers and sales. That cuts out affiliates, hosting companies, traditional paysites, camsites and the need for a billing processor because they can accept on popular payment apps and or send to manyvids etc. To add insult to injury a huge amount of "premium" sales are generated from yalls jacked content that's spread on tubes via watermarks and reuploaded content etc.

Is this ratchet and unprofessional? Yes, but anyone who is on any popular dating apps can see the rise in regular women whom now monetize every step of the process when interacting with men online because basically spammers have shifted and manipulated the masses to associate online interaction with spending money etc. This is a negative side affect of us all raping the internet forever. In other words, we trained the sheep to throw money at all beautiful women online, and some of them just happened to be real. The word seemed to have spread.

You old timers, myself included need to take a few steps backwards and not get caught up in your ways. Sometimes the most basic shit is the most profitable from my experience. People don't wanna click a fucking banner and signup to some antiquated paysite... They want live, in their face interaction now (for da low $$$) via the interweb connected super computer in their back pockets! Also PBBC for life beeeeeeyotch dis big Cutty of the PBBC ya'urd may baby we outcheer 2k19 that boy dimez still got it. ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Amateur porn is still great. "Big"-Budget Porn is not.

I predict 8, not 50.

paul paul paul - you really don´t have a clue.
and stupid statements don´t make you look wiser.
you did not even realize that there are dozens of big free livecams around since 10 years.

means: you do not know NOTHING whats happens in our biz

so you never heard about bongacash, chaturbate, cam4 and all the others where you do not have to pay a cent if you are not willing to pay ???

that´s all new for you, right ?

you are a bicycle driver explaining the rest of the world how to build a spaceship.
you are really the biggest clown here.

We are not 50 years away or 10 years away or 100 years away from a computer replacing a camgirl. If that is the case, why do camsites exist now? Everyone would be 100% content with interacting with pre-recorded video and not seek out camsites. Point, and case.



Don't spout out some A.I. bullshit, there will always be purist who seek human interaction.

stop fighting - you're making our step-daughter cry

Someone invent robots already

we are 10-20 years away from good character animators becoming desperate enough to even consider doing porn...they will make much more money in mainstream and they are sought after as fuck...making a model is just 1% of the work...animating it to look realistic is the 99%...it is a full time job to say the least...

we are years and years away from 3D models having realistic movement without having to do 100 re-takes like they do for avengers movies...keep in mind somebody has to pre-animate all the movement and this takes a FUCK load of time....

all this for a shit ROI...cam girls do not make much...not even a virtual one who works 24/7...customers will know she is a bot if she is on 24/7...and her competition is a real girl willing to work for 10-20$/day :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

not going to happen in the next 50 years...

The work won't be done by creating a 3D model and then animating it.

The work will be done by filming a real person, then using deep learning to handle the animation, speech and interaction. Relatively speaking there are simple applications of this now in mainstream, such as an AI driven virtual newsreader.

As massively multicore multiprocessor computing power becomes more affordable these things will be easier to do at scale and at lower cost.



Then to get a variety of looks, faces and body types the technology like that in the video below will be used.




I follow AI pretty closely, I've seen some of the proof of concept things being worked on now and I can tell you that virtual camgirls will be driven by AI not by 3D models and animation.

the efford is not that big as you think.

sure you have to preproduce every possible scene but you can replace bodies and faces with every body or face you want.

i have seen such things already around millenium with live morphing and it looked even than fucking real. with techniques of today you can do much much more. there are discussions since years about the rights of an actor´s look. they would be already able to make a movie with arnold schwarzenegger and he is not even at the set.

the first problem with this deep learning stuff is that cam girls get 100 strange requests per day...just from the last couple of days I have heard about guys who get of on girls flexing their traps, girls being asked to spank their chair, pucker their asshole and make farting sounds etc...

good luck pre-filming all the strange shit customers come up with and getting deep learning to make this in to a believable and realistic motion...all this for like 100$/day from one model...the method you mention is a chain with some very strong and some very weak links...an AI news anchor just sits and talks...

on the other hand studios have empty rooms...it costs them 0 to put in a cam girl...

sure you can do a lot of things if you throw enough money at it...but to do it cost effectively and for a profit worth going after, this will take decades for the tech and interests to be there...

Crucifissio you will be obsolete soon adapter die :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

no I wont...nobody is going to pay to see a 3d model...I know my customers...who ever invests in this 3d model stripper stuff should be prepared to spend a fuckload of money to have to accept 10cents/minute because real models will always be more in demand than 3d ones...a chain is only as strong as its weakest link...

All the sites you name exist on Tips and/or private shows. But the real money for Cam Girls is working for themselves. So GFY with your bullshit

GAN systems will be able to learn from those requests and replicate exactly what the cam participant wants, further more Predictive AI, such as discussed in the f-GAN paper will be able to anticipate what the participant wants to see before they even request it.

If you want to know more about this stuff (be prepared for lots of complex mathematics) then read a paper by Martín Arjovsky and two other researchers entitled "Wasserstein GAN" - I think you might have to pay to get a copy though. In summary predictive AI will be used heavily in AI use cases that require human interaction.

You don't need to pre-film anything, all the data is there already. If you gave a large distributed GAN and train it with all the videos on Pornhub then I would think that there would not be a sexual act or position that could not be simulated by AI. Also read what I say about predictive AI above.

It's less than 10 years away and the platforms on which you build GANs and AI projects already exist.

I always recommend that people who want to learn a little about AI and what is possible head over to OpenAI and get Gym, it's a good easy introduction to what AI is capable of.

https://gym.openai.com

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh sure will

I just told him how I made 600+ sales last month with less than 500 uv a day (using cam models). Then he goes on a rant about blah blah blah, I stopped reading

Yall niggas enjoy your sex robots and spaceship gangbangs I'ma be here in reality.

Cam site exist now because it hasn't been perfected. But people are getting there.

Another way to do it is pre-record all the different options a guy asks a girl, then the bits asked for can be done by the model. As they are asked for. As someone who created content for decades I can tell you it doesn't change much because sex doesn't change.

Would it wipe out sales? No sales would still happen, but think of the ratios. What did Tubes to to pay site sales.

and lol @ adapter

Idk, maybe for people who are into animi and hentai and stuff? My team and I work one on one with clients every day and I'll be damnned if any of them want anything less than a real experience with a real human.

We concur.

Once the software is available, anyone can use it for anything.

Paul Markham are you WITH or AGAINST the PBBC?? (asking for a friend)

1. some of them also selling ads and make good money with that
2. tip is not a membership fee - how many % do you think giving tips and how many % watch for free and spend zero?
3. the camgirls work for themself. they are using a big plattform and don´t have to care the technique, the payment and the promotion.

you are simply not a business man and you can not calculate a big biz.
that´s why you sit at home and tell everybody that pornbiz is dead while we all make
much more money as in the days that you call "the good ones".

i tell you what: not even in this "good days" you made the money that was possible to make. and the only "good" in this old days was that even an idiot could make more money as he would do in a regular job.

so you had this chance and for sure made more as you would make with your skills anywhere else. so just sit back and accept that the time of amateur business man is past.

there is also no reason to explain you that you are wrong. you are not part of this biz anymore and nobody needs you or get you back into the biz.
so believe what you want - drink your water while the smart ones are drinking champaign.

Paying for shit is in decline.
Paying for recycled shit is in decline.
Paying for shit even though has a fancy new tech ( 3D and VR) is in the decline.
Paying for good and original content in on the upswing :thumbsup

I love how you concur when you probably don't understand a word I typed in that post. However seeing as you concur, perhaps you could tell me what a GAN is and how can it be applied to the use case we are discussing?

your chain has a lot of strong links no doubt...but the weakest one is $$$...you will NEVER get 3-4$/min for an animated model...no matter how good she looks...you will also NOT get the AI models cheap...it will be a major investment for a questionable ROI...

on the other hand it costs me 0$ to set up a real model, I always have a room free...

With NVIDIA's face synthesis AI you can generate as many faces as you like, all different, once the model is trained, set up and running.

As technology develops and this becomes possible for video, speech and real time interaction the cost becomes no greater than the platform upon which it runs, because you will have infinite generational capacity from the AI.

Once this stuff becomes real and not simply in the realm of research then you won't need to get $3 - $4 per minute. The companies that successfully bring these things to market will only need to get cents per minute (I don't even think per minute charging would apply - it would be another billing model).

maybe a new generation of people will be in to non-real models who knows...it may be a flop like 3d was...maybe not...I know this dude made money by streaming a pre-recorded video of a model and people tipped nevertheless...a sucker is born every day....

I tell the old people in my life to stop paying for cable TV all the time.

Sadly some of the old people on GFY don't seem to get it.

Resident GFY old person....I found your....

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....CL._SY355_.jpg

Paysites and other sites have always carried ads.

Did I say membership fees?

Understood. "Studio" girls have the publisher, affiliate, studios taking a cut. Girls working on their own can keep all the money. Some girls work via MFC style sites.

I've run businesses which employed people. How many people work for you?

Why make it personal on what I made? We're talking about an industry.

An amateur who employed people, ran a million pound business.

The rules of business don't change. If you give the product away, sales plummet.

So point out who in your opinion makes good and original content.

When good original content is given away for free, sales plummet.

Books, Music, Movies, gaming all suffer from piracy. Porn is the only one giving it's product away. That effects sales.

No idea what GAN is, so let me Google it. https://www.google.com/search?source...edat%20Googlem

Does that help you?

when was that? inside a memberea i hve never seen ads in the old days.

no matter if paying a one time fee or a membership. 99% of the people watching it don´t pay a penny. and the others pay it because they want and not because the must.

no they do not have that and they will never be able to get such numbers as a big site can. so what do you want to tell me here ?

not many - as my biz concept is very focused.

actually we are 15 and 13 of them have nothing to do with the daily stuff - they are also doing very focused things. an no matter if i have 10 times more traffic tomorrow i will still do it with 15.

the point is that you do not understand this industry. income streams have changed in the
past 15 years a lot. business models have changed because people found out how to live from the mass as there is no big market with a few highrollers.

is a million pound business big for you ?

and THIS is exactly not the case. it was never and it will be never.
a restaurant need chairs but does not sell them.
the chair is just a free give away to sell drinks and food.

hollywood is not making big money with cinemas and pay tv anymore.
they make money with plenty thousands of free TV channels - so hollywood finally is paid from advertisement.

if you think that porn is something else than every other kind of entertainment you are completely wrong. porn is part of the entertainment industry and 90% of the income of this industry comes from advertising and sponsoring.

look at all the news channels. before they where newspapers and have been sold. now you get all that for free and all this newspapers make MORE money with their free online version as with the sold paper version.

and yes there are still a few trying to sell the content instead. show me ONE that is profitable.

you can not swim against a stream you have to find out how to make money with it. but you missed this part and want to tell the ones that adapted the reality that THEY are wrong.

No, I already knew you didn't know, so basically you said you agreed with a post I made that you didn't comprehend.

You're not good at this Paul. You don't understand much of what people discuss here and it shows.

Free books available, ad supported.

Free music available, ad supported

Free movies available, ad supported.

Free Porn available, ad supported.

Nothing is free, not even porn on Pornhub, there are ads. A proportion of the viewers of that content buy the products or services advertised which subsidises the availability of the content.

It's the same model as free to air TV and free to air radio, advertising supported content.

I don't want to resort to insults but for fucks sake, read what you write and think about how stupid you look because of what you write.

I said it "effects sales" don't you understand simple English? Or are you saying giving it away has absolutely no effect on sales. Not that some aren't still sold.

I don't want to resort to insults but for fucks sake, read what you write and think about how stupid you look because of what you write.

paul, you did not finish high school...you are looking for the word affect and not effect...

basic english for dumb ass paul:

-tubes severely affected low skilled webmasters like paul, and thus paul felt the effects of not finishing high school :thumbsup

Well I have and know people who did. So do we only base it on personal experiences?



99% are stats from the 90s. Try 1-1,000s



Please learn about marketing. One gilr promoting herself can and does get better trafficand doesn't need the numbers a big studio site has and she isn't competing with lots of other girls. More chance of catching a Whale.


So show us a picture of your giant offices. Or I will just reply with I had 200 people working for me.



What don't I understand? Programming, Designing, webmastering. I understand how to sell, market, shoot porn, sell porn.


In the 80s it was. But don't tell me you run a billion pound industry. Unless you can back it up.



Now you're talking cobblers. The big payers for movies on TV are paid services.

Today the industry is very much about advertising, not sure what money is raised from sponsoring, but don't tell us it's more than used to be raised by selling memberships. Because even the Stats prove you wrong. Ads sell traffic to traffic brokers for a few dollars on a 1,000
Back when memberships were the #1 sales. It was $30 to $50 for 300 clicks. More traffic doesn't come into it. People watching free porn are interested in porn. $1 a day isn't a fortune, even better value when a member can pay $30 and download the whole site.


That's a lie. Newspaper taking are plummeting. https://www.google.com/search?source...03.GG4ko9qD5ao

As usual it's you who are clueless.

Agreed and I've never said any different. The reality is I know how markets have changed. Doesn't mean we didn't make more money before free porn devastated the industry. It's only the blind who say online porn revenues are up. It's you that can't see reality, Newspapers make more money online than they did offline. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

paul, what you don't understand is that for centuries things have been given away to sell other things.

the first pubs were probably the ones that sold the drinks across the street.

then someone came to put chairs there, lay down the daily newspaper, heat the booth, put up a tv. make music and much more.

so the one who went to the pub has:

1. no newspaper subscription of his own used
2. he didn't have to heat and didn't buy wood or coal for it
3. he didn't need a tv or a radio

according to your conviction, all the guests should be millionaires because they have saved a lot of money and all newspaper publishers, coal sellers as well as radio and television shops should be broke.

giving something for free means that there are things that normally cost money that would have to be bought by those who don't give it for free.
If people are willing to pay the mere presence of a lot of people to give them an advertising message, then in the end they will get out of the money that would not buy the product if it is not free.

why is it so hard to understand? the biggest companies in the world have been built with this concept.

you can surely still remember when searching the net was still indirectly liable to pay costs because there were no search engines but only directories that demanded money for the listing.

the first search engines ruined the business for all of them and changed it for a million times bigger business.

for me (and certainly for everyone else here) you sound like one of those pages that could live a little bit in the 90s from sold listings. imagine those people would come here now and telling us that google destroyed the biz.

I don't know what GAN means, maybe I know what it does, maybe it's a programming thing, etc. I concurred with the point of your post.

If you're going to wind me up. Try a bit harder.