Oh fuck it, Paul is just another clueless GFY peasant, living in his little peasant village, with his narrow minded peasant views.

Not wasting my time with an irrelevant peasant who can't comprehend basic English, let alone the technical concepts explored in this thread.

whatever but possibly enough to make multimillion revenue


i told you already a few time that you do not have to teach me marketing. it is my profession what i´ve studied and make much more money with it as you can imagine.

200 people and still be a poor old fart proves that you are not a business man.

nope - NOTHING from that - really NOTHING

i don´t need a billion pound. i am ok with 6-digit every month for me and my life.

loooooool

as i actually just have newer numbers from germany, austria and switzerland I can share them with you.

revenue from paid content in 2018 was 3,8 billion euro (that includes pay-TV and video on demand)

revenue advertising free tv 15,33 billion
revenue advertising radio 1,95 billion
revenue online advertising 3,66 billion

makes a total of 20,94 billion in the free media versus 3,8 billion in the paid sector.

remember this is 20.94 billion only in germany, austria and switzerland with a population
of approximately 90 million people

SKY´s WORLWIDE revenue (with a population of 7,8 billion was in 2018
12,2 billion pound (and funny is that nearly 1 billion of that is advertising revenue)

so what are you knowing ????

NOTHING !!!!

and again you compare appels with pears.

first of all educate yourself about pricing in this industry.
traffic today is mostly sold by CPM - what means ad impressions and not ad clicks.

there are still (or again) a few networks that are selling clicks and it is really not possible (and it was never) to tell you how much a click costs and how it converts.

because this depends on so many factors like country, device, ad and many many more.

but god thanks we do have today the instruments for messuring that and if you would want to buy 300 clicks today from germany desktop from me you would not get them for 30 or 50 dollars.
the highbids for germany in our network are are 0,20 € per click and higher.
if we talk about switzerland or austria they will be even MUCH more expensive.

as you do not even know how the advertising market works I will stop to explain here because you will anyway not get it.


i did not find anything else in your google search as what i told you.

here find another example how you can make more with free as with paid


what you did never understand and will never understand is that dealing with masses of people (today we have 4,2 BILLION people online in 1997 there have been 70 million)
even when each one of those users 1997 would spend 100 dollars per year in the internet
you will not see more than 7 billion revenue over ALL kind of entertainment.
if each one of the 4,2 billion spends only a tenth you already have a 600% bigger market.

but you are still only focused on porn and I am not.
what we are selling today is much more valueable because more and more advertisers see the complete consumer and a chance to sell this consumer everything (no matter if now or at a later point)

that makes lifetime value from a potential buyer 100 times bigger as it is with just porn.

take only the dating market that was even in the old days the number 2 income for webmasters and exploded later to something what is still now 1000 times bigger than porn ever was.

but we do not only sell dating. we sell so many other things more what have nothing to do with a porn video and we make much more revenue from a video when we give it for free.

the lifetime revenue on a tube site from a single user is NOT lower as the lifetime value from a paying user. just the number of this users is much much bigger.

the AVERAGE value from a visitor to a tube site is between 0,002 and 0,005 $ no matter if you show this user 10 CPM ads on a page and he clicks none of them or every 10th user makes a click on a banner.

now multiply that with just an average tube site that have 1 million visitors per day you are already on 2000-5000 dollars revenue PER DAY !!!
but the really big tubes have 100 million per day.

show me how someone can find 100 million customers per day with a product that costs only 1 cent.

and show me how you can make more money with a product that cost 5 dollars.

what you will never understand is the fact that you can ALWAYS only find a few % that will buy a product. to make a big number out of this few % to need a huge basic number.

without free sites porn business would never exist. not before and not now.
the only difference to now is that we are now selling a much broader variation to MUCH MUCH more potential customers. and we do not fucking care if they buy porn or a cat toilette as long as we GET THEM WITH porn.

I can list many but here are a few:

Lesbea
iFeelmyself
Boundheat
Paingate
Kink
MetArt

:2 cents:

yes yes the famous dildo up her ass stuffing female webmaster type of girl...she knows about traffic and is a one man marketing agency - dildo stuffer...cretin paul could not generate traffic to save his own life so it is no surprise that old faggot does not know what he is talking about and that 99% of all girls do not care about internet marketing or anything related to generating traffic or even work in general...this is because paul has had limited contact to females in his 50 year career...he would pay her 8 euros and she would flash her pussy and go home in an hour...old cretin does not understand ho's are not the best webmasters...

dumb ass paul googling shit like an idiot...too dumb for google :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Paul's idea of content was this

https://bbspics.com/images/2019/02/06/yFCVh.jpg

Completely unsellable in 2019 because nobody wants to see average 'teens' in a fake made up girls room in the house of a refugee from the UK living in Czech.

I hope he burned that house down and nobody currently uses that as a bedroom, fucking creepy.

Paul's marketing and business skills are so great he'll sell you his entire content library for $500, precisely $400 more than it's worth.

Yet considering all this he has the gall to come on here and lecture real business people about how to do their thing. He's basically nothing more than a grubby sex tourist from the UK who ended up in Czech, made a few bucks in the early easy days of Internet porn and has done nothing else since.

Can you believe he was only in his 40's when that photo was taken?

Next big thing...

how about Netflixxx but for porn!!!! Incomingggggg

Oh, and bitcoin of course, but thats for the far ahead future i think

i think you missmatched that a bit.

netflixes for porn exist since around 2000 und bitcoin is something for the past.

your opinion means nothing since you cannot even back up your claim
lets make our different opinions more interesting, and wager it

also, there is no platform built as well as netflix, for porn, that is legal... that i know of

You are going to be obsolete soon Crucifissio adapt or die bro! :evil-laug:evil-laug:evil-laug

The pirates beat Mindgeek to it, just as the origins of Mindgeek beat us on the path to a world full of tubes.

Porn Time - The Popcorn Time for porn movies!

Peer to peer services are the only way to effective delivery massive content to a massive audience at low cost and it will have to be low cost to support a Netflix type service for porn. More importantly the technology needs to be content agnostic, it's the only way it will get into app stores.

It will never replace real women...AI experts can develop something that works for pennies, but the return will bd pennies as well...lonely guys want to see real women and they give 2 shits about cheap AI...AI girls are a niche at best...

It may make you obsolete tho...

https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/porn-on-netflix/

https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/ho...rn-on-netflix/


:thumbsup

I see nothing on these sites that set them apart from the 100,000s of scenes given away for free on Pornhub.

IFeelMyself - IFM

https://www.lesbea.com/

https://metart.com/ is good. And given away free https://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=metart

And here's the problem. If it's not Metart similar scenes are available for free. https://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=marc+dorcel And saying it's exclusive to one site no longer cuts it for most consumers. Because fucking is fucking and that's what we produce. It's like saying one shop bought shirt is exclusive when 1,000s of other similar shirts on sale in the same mall.

You're not qualified to talk about content quality so shut the fuck up.

That's really interesting. How many units are in your HOA? Did they have to do anything special to cut that deal for the homeowners? How do they handle data overages or faster speeds or other individual add-ons?

Neither are you as you never produced content. So shut the fuck up.

Consumers only know about the end result. You don't buy a pen to have a pen, you buy a pen to write. Porn is consumed to jerk off. So will one scene do that job better than the next?

On one hand we have a scene that must be paid for. On the other we have a similar scene that's free. Does one scene get the consumer off and the other not? Does one scene do it better than the other? Now consider whole site. Take any genre and look for paysites in that genre. Now compare it with Pornhub's offering of the same genre, one is paid for with no return policy the other free and if Pornhub isn't right you have Youporn, Xhamster, etc. Which one will overwhelmingly win?

This applies to any product, from chewing gum to luxury yachts. It's an absolute fundamental rule of marketing. Unless what a product offers is so great, the free option will win if it's good enough.

Could be true. But the vast number of consumers can be predicted. The few who want something so individual it has to be done by a real person can still be done. She/He will have to wait a long time for those sales and the people to back it up.

Then there's another consideration. A BMW is 30% cheaper than a Mercedes, will the consumer take the cheaper version and make do or will he go for better version. Even worse it the BMW is free.

We know the quality of video on Pornhub isn't as good as Paysites. Which one wins?

Today those costs would make it unprofitable. We're talking about tomorrow.

You're wasting your time replying to me a lot these days.

Ask them if they would pay for a Mercedes when BMW is giving away cars for free. Or even Free Skodas. Ask them if they will pay 100% for a Mercedes and 30% for a BMW.

Pornhub could never sell memberships in the same ratios Paysites did. Because the quality isn't good enough, but the free option wins hands down. This doesn't apply to only porn, it applies to all products.

Only a few avenues give away the product for free because it's effect on sales. TV Channels were free, now Netflix, HBO, etc are on the rise and more are coming in. Because their product isn't given away. The best example is Sports, how many big sporting events are free vs those on PPV?

loool - how dumb are you ?

can you copy a mercedes or a BMW without any costs ?

NO !!!!!

the product you are talking about can be copied a trillion times without any extra costs.

so if this product is sold 1000 times for 10 dollar or 100 million times for 0,005 what makes the bigger revenue at the end ????

go and get a calculator and find someone that can use it and you see the reality.

Yeah actually I am because I have made money and still make money from good content. I don't make money from yours anymore because it hasn't stood the test of time. It's filler content at best to pad out my tubes where it's given to people for free.

If you're qualified, show us your best single piece of content and let people who make money from content daily in 2019 tell you all about it.

thommy
This message is hidden because thommy is on your ignore list.

I'm sick to death with replying to your nonsense. Buddhists are killing people, Newspaper revenues are down, people will prefer a fucking free brunette to a fucking $300 blonde.

I produced and sold content to publishers and consumers for over 30 years. Putting content onto free tubes doesn't compare with you qualifications.

As you said 10 year old content and older is not worth much today. But to a few they can still make money from it. See signature.

I told everyone golden rules in selling, free will always beat paid for when considering like for very similar. That applies if one is selling content or what ever you care to name. If Paysites were a #1 for you in revenue, you wouldn't be bothering with Tubes. Your failing is that you can't run a paysite or sell content. You can only give it away for free. That by your own admission is the level of your skills.

You did it when there was virtually no competition, when I was buying content from you in the early 2000s affordable content was not as widespread as today.

If you started over today you wouldn't have the skills or the knowledge or the talent to get eyeballs.

All of us at some point in our career will reach a point where we're done unless we work to upgrade our skill set all of the time. Unfortunately you didn't.

There are a couple of people in this thread making far more money today than in the early 2000s that you think are the golden years of Internet porn. Free to watch porn has made many people richer because of the number of eyeballs it brings.

Note I used the term 'free to watch' because in reality none of it is free, that content is funded by advertising or other methods. You just don't seem to be able to grasp that concept, it's foreign to you.


What makes you think that? You have no idea what I own and don't own. Neither do most people on GFY because no serious business is done here anymore.

glad to hear that.
finally no dumb old baby will quote me and comment with BS.

btw. you should block everyone that does not agree with your dumbfuck. than you can write alone.

I didn't start in 2000. So fuck you on this.

The magazine market, my #2 earner with videos being #1, was very competitive.

I upgraded my skills from taking/selling photos to magazine front covers.

Anyone making more money than people did in the 2000s. Is lying.

I understand about the funded by advertising, what are you paid per click and what is the CTR? Don't tell me it's more than I made selling sets. Because that's stupid. You would need a boat load of traffic to achieve that. So if you say you do, show us your Tubes and we can see how well they do. or everyone reading this will brand you the same as thommy. A loud mouth with time to waste trolling me.

https://gfy.com/search.php?searchid=92178

Considering all the posts you make and the time, you don't seem retired to me.

That's the funniest and most ridiculous thing I have ever seen you say and you say a lot of ridiculous things.

Nobody and I mean nobody with legit business is going to post their sites on GFY, a surfer forum where no real business is done. I can *guarantee* you that I make more money now than I did when I was buying your sets in the early 2000s and that was a lot of money then.

That's not my real timezone for a start, however I do work or not work at odd hours.

I am retired in the sense that I can stop doing all this tomorrow and continue to live comfortably for the rest of my life. I have projects I enjoy and keep working on them, I also enjoy the extra income. That said, I am not on the clock, not waiting for my next cheque and both my partner and I live a very comfortable lifestyle. I do what I want, when I want to, how I want to.

Mate, you're living proof of what happens when you become unplugged and out of touch, I don't ever want to be like you.

give up with this troll.

he knows fuck nothing and can not stand that so many people have been smarter than he is (what is not really hard).

if he is not able to male money - NOBODY is able to make money.

he is just a poor old fart who thinks his stupidity is the measure of all things.

i've never seen anyone take him seriously.

actually i know that you do not really write to him (same as i never did that). but he just represents the compressed stupidity of the world in a single body and then you always have the impression that you are talking to all the stupid people in this world at once.

:thumbsup

My biggest failing is that I cannot resist the urge to call out stupid people :1orglaugh

i know - i have the same problem.

but the difference between a uneducated and a stupid is, that the uneducated WANTS to learn the stupid expects that you learn from him.
so the first one is worth it the second means wasting your lifetime for a life that is already wasted.

Back to the subject.

The next big thing has to be something no one can copy, give away, pirate, etc. This is the problem with a bar for entry so low that practically anyone can jump in and take part.

There may be new big things for the online industry, the reality is there will be very few big things the individual or small company can cash in on. The reasons are simple. Roughly speaking, offline businesses need to pay $5 - $50 a square foot for space, servers cost cents on the dollar. Added to that are all the people offering services online. From CMS to white label sites, all to add to the growing number of suppliers to a limited number of consumers.

What was the last big thing in porn that made everyone a lot of money? Or even just a lot of people a lot of money.

The low bar to entry for online porn was 1995 to 2005 or thereabouts. Now to make money there's a relatively high bar to entry whether that be a big investment in time or money, invention or innovation. The days you could set up a porn site in the morning and be making sales in the afternoon are gone forever. And that's a good thing.

Are we communists now?

Why is something in porn supposed to make everyone a lot of money?

Sir Thommy the great! The epitome of intelligence & reason

What year did you graduate from Harvard again? :1orglaugh

What year are you gonna start elementary school in?

I just added magic join links to my cable company, waiting for success.

I wish you great success but make sure you share that success with everyone because we're all communists now and Paul thinks that the next big thing in porn is supposed to....


:1orglaugh

I´ve said on another similar thread, asking "the next big thing"...

personally for me it´s customs, people love customs...

this could work for affiliates too, maybe using blogs, a landing page or links page to models filming customs, as long as you get a 50/50 cut, it´s worth it huh!

Customs have been around forever....

.... when I think of the next big thing I'm thinking megabucks not a few shekels from customs. :2 cents:

Wrong

You're not a content creator with your own sites. You have no idea what you're talking about. And that's a good thing.