Moral of the story...

Trump once again over stepped his position.. Republicans were going to revolt.. Mexico was like who is this clown... Trump jumps on Twitter to claim victory despite nothing new happening so he could get himself out of the mess..

Dumb Red Hats cheer rahh..rahh

Obama promised Obamacare during the campaign. He got elected. He made good on the promise and created Obamacare. You whined.

The PPACA is a complete failure, Obama also got how many vets killed waiting for a doctor's appointment? That was someone that pushed on things he knew nothing about. I hear people all day complain that they have lost their coverage with Obama care because they now make too much or complain because of the price of drugs.

^when you fail at porn and become a daycab politician, terrorizing dock workers everywhere

Well now... where to start...
The problems at the VA were left on Obama's lap from the previous admin from 2 wars that were not his. He did not do anything to make it worse under his tenure. But it was his to fix.

I'm sure that many are not going to get the care promised under ACA because for the past 2 years, it has been sliced up by the right. They had a opportunity to make it better or fix it but they have not.
So who do you need to blame ?
Say something that makes me think you have a idea to make it work better.
Surely your solution is not to get rid of it.

I always figured it would fail, but I also figured they would make the proper adjustments to make it work. It is doomed to failure at some point as it is, no matter what.
Say what you want but government provided health care is probably the only thing that actually will work in the end because the greedy have no limits and they are embedded in our legislature.

The only biz that does not want this are the biz that does not provide health insurance as it is. Most major biz would like to shed the expense of health care they provide to make a more even playing field with their competition in the EU, CAD and other places.
Those biz that are not providing it are afraid it will be like SS and they pay half of the employee's share.

So, sometime, when it fails (and it will) and you can not afford health care (and soon you will not), will you do without ?
It may be to late to save you when you change your mind about it.
Perhaps you are on medicare now ?

Trump promised to go after the drug co's, but so far, I have seen nothing.

The point wasn't if it was good or not. The point is he was following up on a campaign promise and you bitched and complained about it.

Now that Trump is following up on some of his and people are bitching, you are criticizing them for doing so. Here's a news flash, not everyone in the country agrees with Trump's positions and wants to see them put in place.

Is it immigration... or... is it people seeking asylum ?

If I were MX, why should I care if they enter when they are not headed for my country and the US is not even offering in paying the bills to stop them.

One would think there are problems where they are coming from and that is where you need to go to stop the problem.

Don't fall for his trap of trying to change the topic.

Trump supporters constantly do this when they're backed into a corner with the evil that Trump is doing and the lies that he's telling they quickly change the topic to a lie about Hillary, Obama, Mueller, etc.

And when liberals are in power conservatives want them to fail even if it means America fails with them.

America dont want no type of Peace by that canal bro. That's like fuckin with America's oil.

50 fake trump moves

Not this admin anyway. I can't see any previous admin on either side ignoring the root problem.

Dead eye sees things through a cloudy hateful racist homophobic lens :2 cents:

Just do a Google search of GFY for 2040 and see how many times a day the hateful asshole talks about "his people" taking over the white majority in America and giving payback to the American white population.

^sit down when adults are talking

He's trying to do things other Presidents have ignored.

Penalising Mexico with a tariff if they don't stop illegal immigrants from crossing their country to get to America is a good idea.

Telling China to buy more from America, stop the unfair trade actions or get massive tariffs is another way to sell more American goods, create more jobs, help with the debt America faces, etc.

Talking to NK is better than doing fuck all, which was the action of previous Presidents.

We all know he's not the greatest at the job and some of his measures are pure insanity. But others have done little but looked good.

I whined at the root cause of the very expensive American Health system. Whatever measures are put into place they will cost Americans too much. Because of big pharma and the costs of hospitals and the way doctors make more money.

Obamacare was good and scrapping it was bad. Complaining about the costs is stupid because under any system American health care is over priced.

It's illegal immigration. Any asylum seeker should register in the first safe country he arrives in.

Why should Mexico care? Because if they do nothing America will hit them with tariffs.

Yes go solve problems S. America has. Are you serious?

The basic problem they have is they are poor so unless you pump $trillions into S. America and make sure it doesn't get skimmed off. They will always have problems.

Yes agreed, but the war against Trump is worse and makes America look bad. From China's, Mexico's, etc POV they are just waiting for a weaker President to come in and resume doing nothing about the problems. So they can prosper.

I would much prefer a cleverer President carry out trade reform, slowing down illegal immigration and talking to NK. But none of his predecessors have done anything. Clinton started the Prime Mortgage scheme that nearly bankrupted the world, Bush went to pointless wars you will end up losing, Obama bombed Libya, but some Americans ignore those things while Trump gets vilified at every turn.

Other POTUS have not ignored the issues, just as unsuccessful. But he like to 'claim' victory when it is not there.

Trade policy has always been to promote 'fair' trading. Not tell others 'they have to buy more from us'

We have always talked to NK, trump is just doing it alone without our partners of common interest who are the ones they have originally threatened ....OK... where has that landed him... the same place and because he actually believes/says progress was made, it is much worse now because there is no motivation to do anything now until they escalate it to the next level. This is how it turned so messy in all of the history behind it.
Everyone keeps accepting the next escalation after grumbling about it and putting up some words and doing nothing.
Everyone has known that the only thing you can do is keep it contained a bit.
Trump just learned that lesson we already knew.
Only now they have high end nukes and long range missiles.

If he was tough as he likes to portray himself, he would have put a navel blockade on the country right from the start. And i'm not arguing for that but it would be effective.
They are getting the tech from the outside. Our policy has been one of containment.

The only difference is portrayed as a matter of perception. It is worse, not better.
You can't polish a turd.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

It seems like every day, there's a new headline which starts with "Trump threatens".

And that's because that's all he has in his extremely limited mental toolset. When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. His way of killing bin Laden would have been to nuke the entire middle east.

Success.... Victory.... We Won... Yippy... Ye-Haw...
Trump threatens more tariffs on Mexico over part of immigration deal
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1TB182

The legislation was agreed to in December. Waiting for their legislature to sign it. Why add insult to the matter. Sounds tough anyway.
If they were headed to Canada... what would we do ?
Should Canada tell us they will impose tariffs if we let them though ?

There are principles involved here that should be talked about.
It is part of the resentment of the US around the globe.

We are in effect forcing MX to enforce our rules/will in their country.
Every country is responsible for their own borders.

Because we fail to legislate what we want/need here in the US, we take the side-step to try to keep them from landing on US soil where US laws apply.

Pretty simple as I see it. Government failure !

What did Reagan do after the 'boat people' ? try to remember.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/161438

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...20-1980-528819

They are coming through Canada it's so easy. No walls no fencing and the Appellation trail is completely un patrolled. I can drive through to Canada from Maine without any sort of checkpoint as they seem to be closed on Route 1 after 6pm ? All they have to do is get to Canada!

While that can be appreciated, it was not my point.
The question was, if they were headed to CAD, instead of the US, what would we do ?
I suspect, nothing. We might even help them get there.

Just a little reflection on what we expect from MX.
They simply do not want them to land on US soil where US laws apply to them.
It's a political fix, not a legal or moral fix.

So other Presidents were unsuccessful with their softly softly approach. As bronco67 has said he's trying a hammer because softly softly has made the situation worse.

As VRPdommy says other Presidents have failed and watched the situation get worse. What else is there but the hammer?

So the legislature is to blame for not signing it. Softly softly fails again.

Any migrant who can afford to enter Canada from S. America will find much easier ways to get in.

Why bother me with what he said. I replied to you.

Their approaches were not so soft and no different that trump imposed.
And they achieved something until trump came in... they put the new POTUS to the test and he failed to deliver anything new and things have got worse.
And those that were imposed by others were not claimed as victories ! Made no major headlines... probably why you are unaware. you seem only to read headlines and trump sure makes those everyday.
You only want to remember part of the history you either know or wish to know.

The whole history of action for NK is one of containment. Just like Iran.
If you don't believe that then why not bomb today ! That is not soft !
Place a navel blockade today, that is not soft.
Try something new outside of rhetoric. That is all he brought to the table.

I think SK and Japan would have a say in our bombing, they would likely loose half their population and they are not at the table with trump. he is gong it alone.
Real Tough... what is he asking for that has not been asked before.
What has he done that has not been done before, except go it alone, without the folks it will effect most.

The only reason they agreed to close production units was because they were closing them anyway and building new ones.
Its a old political play the US and Soviets would use to eliminate warheads they were replacing for age as it was and both leaders could claim Victory!

Winning !

I'm ready to accept the fact they have them and might use them and we should continue to keep them contained.
Because that is all we can do without wiping out major populations.

Which President put illegal immigration front and centre of his policies, which President talked to NK, which President threatened China with enough trade tariffs to get them to agree to buy billion of American goods?

If any did I will praise them too.