Having the vaccine only helps you fight the virus when you get exposed to it; it doesn't lash out into the air and kill the virus around you before you breath it in.
Therefore you can still breath in the virus and then spread it to other people.

:2 cents:

I'm not wearing a mask any longer and I'm not vaccinated.

I don't care because until I'm healthy, I don't care.
And I do all to be normal/ healthy.

I don't plan to live in fear, I live normally like always.

Fuck, could i expect that this one mosquito that bite me back then in Carribean had dengue virus? Nope I did not, I lived normally without fear obsession.
I catched it, got well after 2 days. Was weak afterwards for around 10 days.

Illness is a part of life, getting well too.

And no, new variants appear regardless of vaccinations.

ps. I would be scared of something with mortality rate of 8 % and more spreading like flu. But this is not.

Biden said it is unenforceable and will be on the honor system

Because we've been brainwashed into thinking we're doing this to protect others. That we're being good citizens by playing along with this nonsense.

The ultimate in virtue signaling, which is why one side is making a case of it.

LOL - and there we have it. I think you just summed it up perfectly.

Your post is all about YOU. How YOUR life is affected.

My posts on the subject - and those advocating for masks, social distancing, and vaccinations - acknowledge how our choices affect our local communities and society.

Well done.

Great. You sound like an authoritarian communist...

Health is a private matter.

Wouldn't be better to leave it to the most concerned - individual people?

Its in each own's best interest to be healthy - and how they do it, it's their choice.

See what I mean? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm sorry but you are no better than those you disagree with. You can claim moral superiority all you want, but at the end of the day, if you weren't worried about it affecting you then you wouldn't be bothered either.

There's nothing wrong with self-preservation, and to each their own, but stop with the BS savior complex.

If that were the case, then you lot would be right to say I live in fear. But frankly, you know nothing about me. Go back and look at my post history regarding the virus, genetics, etc. I have multiple degrees in the life sciences - and that's my footing for my position on all of this: Science, not emotion.

I am somewhat surprised, though. I would have thought all the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers would be more encouraged by more people joining them in not wearing their masks.

So the argument basically comes down to:

1. I care about my health and i care about other people so I am going to do whatever simple things I can do, like wearing a mask, in the 1% chance it helps.

2. I don't give a fuck about other people (just myself).

That about it folks?

I've long since (way before this plandemic) stopped caring about what other people choose to do or not. You do what you feel is best for you, and I'll do what I feel is best for me.

The biggest issue I have with people on the opposing side of this is the fact you want to push your views, choices, beliefs, etc onto me; whereas I am not (other than mocking people for their irrational fear).

No one is doing this for the better of everyone else, no one. I know that some of you like to believe this to be true, but it's just not. Self-preservation is always the number 1 driving force behind everything that has to do with our perceived ideas of safety.

There is nothing wrong with this, as I've previously stated.

And, if you have so many degrees related to virology and such, then you should know better, to be quite frank. Yet, "science" had to change the definition of herd immunity in order to push an untested and non-approved vaccine.

I don't have any degrees, but I have a highly analytical (and mechanical fwiw) mind and can study data, statistics, metrics, etc, and form my opinions from there. I also choose to listen to actual doctors and scientists who don't spend every waking minute in front of TV cameras and give me just the raw information without any political bullshit narratives attached.

For example, the TV doctors swear up and down there is zero chance of the mRNA 'vaccine' permanently attaching itself to your DNA, yet, actual studies are proving that not only is that a lie, but there is a high probability of such (reverse transcription, for example).

I swear though, if Fauci and the CDC went on TV and told the general public that eating your own shit would make you immune to covid-19, millions of people would be eating turds for dinner tonight.

And, for what it's worth, I've been against all of this nonsense from day 1, and regardless of which political party is, or was, in power.

Neither side of this gives 2 shits about other people.

If the government came along and said they would start executing people who refused to be 'vaccinated', those of you on that side would cheer.

Just because you feel that way does not mean the rest of us do.

That is:

A. Ridiculous
B. The "logic" you use to justify your selfish outlook. "Hey NO ONE blah blah blah" which absolves YOU, right?

In other words: if everyone is guilty than no one is innocent.

For me, I sincerely do NOT give a shit about whether or not I myself get Covid. I feel strong and healthy and, smoking weed, have an additional layer of protection. No, the ONLY people I care about getting Covid (inadvertently from ME) are my vulnerable mother, sister, aunt and uncles. You know, OTHER PEOPLE.

But hey, whatever lets you sleep at night, fine I guess.

Umm, I have a wife and 2 kids as well as family friends. No one that I surround myself with is any more worried about this virus than I am. The response to the virus was far worse than the virus itself, this is a fact.

This whole "granny killer!" mentality and trying to put yourselves into a "high horse" morality box while putting others into a "you're selfish!" box is utter nonsense, just so you know.

Lastly, if I were standing in a room with 99 other people, all of whom are "true believers" in this pandemic and started removing those who do dumb shit like text and drive, call for the deaths of people who voted for Trump, are pro-abortion, et al... then I'd be alone... so again, this whole theory of "I'm doing it for the safety of others!" is nonsense.

Have a good weekend.

The moral pretzel you tie yourself into is quite impressive I must say.

But let's be clear here: There is right, and there is wrong, and there is ignorance, and there is all kinds of shit going on here in the twisted minds of people.

So therefore, to be safe, I wear a mask. If you don't that's fine because I cannot do anything about your behavior. Just stay the fuck away from me, that's all. Problem solved. Let's focus more on the "social distancing" thing eh?

The mask is pointless too though. The size of the virus is smaller then a medical mask filters. The size of the influenza virus is slightly larger. Magically, we have gotten rid of influenza almost entirely - because "masks" as they claim. Masks do not do ANYTHING.

Social distancing yes, washing hands - absolutely (IMHO probably does the most) - but masks are not doing a damned thing and there are studies out there proving it.

Masks outdoors as we have to wear here in Poland until tomorrow is even worse.

But again, if you want to vaccinate, if you want to mask, that's cool - I just think people shouldnt force these ideals on others. My health is my concern, your health is your concern.

What about this: people who think like this are getting into hospital [they could most likely avoid it with any vaccine] and they put unnecessary pressure on the health care system so other people with totally different health issues [waiting for organ transplantation, etc] are dying because of people who think their health is their concern?
Not saying it's like this / we are going in this direction, but still... Also: I am aware of lots of alcoholics and cigarette smokers, fat people, etc are putting this avoidable pressure on the health care systems in every country for ages.. :pimp

I don't really see why people think this is a huge medical experiment - maybe the mRNS vaccines are so, but the 'regular' ones that work with good old methods: those have zero risks in my eyes [if you get them when you are tested and negative + healthy in all other aspects..]

I got vaccinated so my colleagues and family and environment feels safe, and I feel safer, and I have at least a little chance to enjoy a [limited?] summer festival in 2021... ...sigh...

In Holland last 10 years 50% of IC's disappeared cause to expensive. Worse working circumstances so people looked for better (paid) job. With a stopwatch measuring how it could be as efficient as possible. Till an outbreak like this happens. Than you know that it might be time to scale up 25-50% again. Or you blame the people who are sceptic about these vaccine and the need for it. What fits the poitician best, admitting his fault or blame others...

The mask in not perfect; it's just way better than nothing.

The mask reduces the distance the virus travels when you breath out and that helps slow the spread of the virus when people talk.

:2 cents:

Well since I spend most of my life inside my apartment/house bubble anyway, slaving away on the computer, it's easy for me to agree. But once OUTSIDE, amongst other people, then it's NOT about my or your health. It's about everyone's health.

Just Google "typhoid Mary" to get my point here. :)

Swole men dont need no mask or vaccine. We covid proof

The virus does not fly around by itself, it is in a droplet of moisture. A mask provides some protection from this droplet. But this is not something that affects just one person, it affects others around. But don't worry, the virus is not going away, it's going to be with us for a long, long time. Why, because there will always be a contingent that will not wear a mask or get a vaccine. Society will decide what you will be doing. If it gets bad enough, non-mask, no vaccine people will be shut out. That's just human nature. If you piss in someone's soup, you can expect a knock up the side of your head. We may be welcoming back Smallpox and Polio soon enough. Won't that be huge fun for the anti-vaxxers?

Healthy peeps can be hitted hard as well . . .

Then good luck building and belonging to such "society".

Good luck cheering for authoritarian technocratic regime. Thanks for showing your true colors btw. Decentralized bitcoin lover, lol

My society will be different. It will be conglomerate of free individuals.

You won't get money from my society.

And I don't give a fuck about your "society".

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

for those who planned it, it was just as expected.
all according to plan.

The resistance however gets stronger and bigger...with every week.

You are building your own society? Great! Go to some far-off wasteland and "be free" so WE can be free of asshats who think they are always the smartest person in the room. :)

its you who live in overpriced wasteland shithole called New York.

if you want to call names that much...

also, who is "WE" ?

you and your weed alter ego?

since when you became ambassador of we the people?

who are you? who nominated you?

Droplet is exactly why it is useless. Lands on mask and you suck it right through when breathing.

You didn't hear? I stole the Election and won in a landslide!
I'm the Joe Biden of porn.

never heard about, but ok :)

Egoism, you say?

Tell that to the tens, if not hundreds of millions of people worldwide whose lives were destroyed - on the mental and economic level by the "measures" like lockdowns, closures and curfews.
By measures that did not help in shit.
Only slowed down the inevitable.

And now think who the real egoist is...

But I doubt that you may see that from your mental and NY bubble.

And just like that, any serious discussion goes out the window.

Which was the whole objective, to try and slow the spread where the health care workers could manage.

"Slow the spread," "Flatten the curve" - either of those phrases sound familiar?

are you familiar with the phrase - "only the crazy person does the same and expects different results" ??? flattening the curve, LOL.

it is pointless to discuss it with you, as you have no clue.
"flattenting the curve" for 1 year????
it was supposed to be for 2 months in 2020.

And it did not help in anything.

Healthcare collapsed anyway.
BTW - you probably also don't realize it.
Most of the "additional" deaths in 2020 were not because of covid, but because of measures. People WITHOUT covid but still in serious condition were denied healthcare, as all was "directed" un proportionally for covid cases. In many european countries.
Just like people WITH cov2 detected ("accuracy" of pcr tests) were not treated for other, more serious conditions.

And this is only in healthcare field.

I did not expect that society is SUCH a sheep, but looking how not-stupid people are the same sheep....or worse...then I may imagine that...
scary AF

any proof that it was not?

because for any1 with working brain, it is all fishy AF..

not for sheep though

You're obviously emotionally invested in your fantasy.

I'll leave you to it.

such a good sheep you are :)

Yes but here's the thing: you are one lousy shepherd.

:2 cents: