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They should do a 100 meter run test at all bars and restaurants. If you are not able to run 100 meters in 15 seconds, than your health is not good enough to beat Corona and are refused getting in. Than we have exactly the target group who ends up in hospital.

Yep, we had lots of laughs, those were good times.

Some friends and I still laugh about this 8am Genetics class we took our Senior year (this was a requirement for a Minor in Genetics I got with my first BS in Zoology). So, we were going out drinking nearly every night at this point, and frequently going to a neighboring school a half hour away - sometimes (often) crashing with this girl we knew who went there. So, we would wake up, jump in whoever's car, and race back to town making it to class just in time. We'd sit down, and no sooner had we sat down then the people around us would get up and find another place to sit. No doubt we were a bit fragrant: No showers, no change of clothes, with the smell of booze, sweat, and cigarette smoke just rolling off of us.

Good times.

I really liked Genetics, and for awhile considered pursuing a PhD.

Ultimately I did get a Masters, but in an unrelated discipline.

What about people in wheelchairs? Just trolling, I like your idea.

They must be able to get the 15 seconds :) But with a normal wheelchair 18 seconds must be a good number.

Few countries had an covid zero policy just covid controlled. The plan was really only to keep numbers down so the hospital system doesn't get swamped, and any mutations covid makes happen at a nice slow controlled pace.

There's clear evidence that vaccines are doing that, and better than expected. Once the venerable are vaccinated and anyone else who wants it.... let in and let it rip.... In the US face it who is your venerable now? and do you care if they get it? Biden says no.

The CDC knows that masks don't really do anything. India fines people who don't wear a mask and it certainly hasn't helped them. They are just doing this to incentivize people to get vaccinated.

Basically yea it does and..
#2 wins everytime, thats the way it's alway been.
Since when did everybody 'all of a sudden' start giving 2 shits for every one else haha? I find that hilarious and stupid af.

Sorry, not sorry...

Masking worked fine with early mild low viral load versions of covid like America has just cleared up. India had that well under control early last year as did Australia where I reside, but these new variants are just so so much more transmissible. Its N95 now or nothing and it seems like one stray molecule with covid virus on it and you have it.

Vaccines seem to be working ok against current strains as with antiviral cocktails, so hospital surges are unlikely in places with sufficient supply of either.

Keep in mind, Covid is spreading and mutating faster than ever out of the bubble we live in, its FAR from over, its just year one of something that's going to challenge us at least until we have a universal vaccine for it.

I'm visiting israel right now, %80 of the people (18+) are vaccinated (pfizer)...basically covid is over.

Mind the bombing, man . . .

This is how one sums up an argument to make themselves (or their side) look high and moral, and the other side like cruel, uncaring monsters.

It is an all or nothing, black or white, simplistic extreme view to justify having their position and making the others look bad.

This summary claims that people who agree with lock downs and masks "care" about others while people who oppose are scum of the earth.

No room for discussion, nuance or seeing the many facets of a situation. Just all good or all bad. It's how totalitarian societies have justified the mass killings in history by objectifying and dehumanizing the other side. Once they do that they feel better about persecuting that other side.

What they always do wrong is they willfully blind themselves to certain facts or complexities so that they can feel righteous about their position.

[BTW, lock down has already caused thousands of children to die in Africa due to malnutrition because supply chains have been disrupted and many more will die too. See the charity that's on the ground called Donor See. Also, the Tuberculosis epidemic will be getting worse with over 1.4 million deaths happening because of lack of treatment due to lock down. Also suicides and overdoses and missed hospital screenings have killed many and will kill many more due to lock down. Now you tell me which side is caring? Does your side even want to see any of what I just presented? There's a lot more suffering from lock downs that can fill pages ... not just what I wrote above.]

There is no moral pretzel, just facts. Self-preservation is the number 1 driving force behind everything we do, and it has nothing to do with any particular ideology.

The irony here though is, those of you who think masks keep you safe are the same ones getting in the faces of people who don't wear them. Every single time. Never once have I seen someone not wearing a mask getting into the faces of and confronting those who wear them.

Also, didn't you say you're not worried about the virus and you took the 'vaccine' to protect others? Why then, would you be concerned about me being close to you without a mask? Again, you took the 'vaccine' for everyone else' sake, right?

So...
- The CDC says not to wear masks, because they don't do anything.
- The CDC says to wear masks, and to 'trust the science'. Anyone that doesn't want to wear masks is labeled a conspiracy theorist.
- You should wear a mask, because it doesn't stop YOU from getting infected but stops you from infecting others.
- You can spread the virus if you are vaccinated, so you should still wear a mask.
- The CDC says you no longer have to wear a mask if you are vaccinated. Anyone that doesn't want to wear masks is labeled a conspiracy theorist.

Am I getting this right?

They only pretend to care about others when it affords them the opportunity to push their ideology. Everyone and everything not directly tied to such is irrelevant.

It's all a show, nothing more.

That about sums it up.

The only thing missing is that the people who love masks, the ones who have pointed to the CDC and "the science" all this time, suddenly stopped listening to the CDC when their science didn't align with what they wanted to hear anymore.

Other than that it's an accurate summation of the insanity that occurred in the last year.

Yup, pretty much sums it up.

Justification for selfishness is always so attractive. Good luck with that.

No, because you are Polish.
You do not get anything right kochanie.

Well, we are 3 weeks after the big Kings Day party in Holland where millions went outside and party. Result; some clusters, but that can be expected. Maybe they partied inside. But the hospital numbers and intensive care numbers are still going down and didn't go up cause of the parties. And government is opening up more and more.

How many people got infected outside?

Sure, just like a fence stops a little bit of the sand that gets through it when thrown... nevermind the fact the vast majority of the sand still made it through, so long as a tiny fraction didn't, right?

I'm not justifying anything, just stating facts.

You can pretend to sit high up on a throne of moral superiority all you'd like, but it's nothing more than a charade, period.

No that's the CDC saying we don't have enough masks and even if we did most people wouldn't understand when or how to use it... New Variants are N95 or nothing.

Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea locking down, Indonesia and Thailand freaking out.

India's gift to the world is being delivered... but on the Positive, vaccines are still holding it back.

Best policy to deal with B.1.617.2 subvariant: Stop it at the border. Don't try this at home.

You're serious?

So you're saying there are no longer enough masks in the USA for everyone so the CDC is going to pretend that they are no longer needed and lie to us all (again) so that we walk around vulnerable but don't get scared?

Makes so much sense, I'm glad you can clarify that for us.

You're welcome! And they did at the start because there wasn't enough supply for healthcare workers and I say they're doing it again to build supply, while pushing more vaccines.

India is smashing their outbreak with vaccines and double masking, Indonesia is about to follow the same route plus many other South Asian countries where these new variants are exploding in numbers.

Slight problem is that represents about 2.5 billion people. Many of these countries have just started vaccine roll outs so for the vast majority, masking and social distancing is all they have and of course these are the very countries 50%+ of our masks in the West come from.

..We're back or soon to be, not having enough masks again.

Actually it's called "projection". Just because YOU are a selfish amoral fuck who doesn't care about his fellow human beings doesn't mean I'm the same way. Only selfish twats think everyone is like them. Again, to make yourself feel better about being a twat. I get it, I really do.

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How do you figure man? The new variants are the same size. They are going to be exactly as effective against any variant. It's N95 or nothing with ANY covid variant. That's the minimum to filter it, and anything above that (N99) you will be starved of oxygen. Maybe saturation won't drop per-say but breathing is definitely labored and difficult.

The situation in India is what it is because it's crowded as fuck and filthy as fuck. Many people don't even have a place to wash their hands. They wash in the Ganges, dispose of their dead in the Ganges, etc. It's not exactly a model of sanitation even before any kind of pandemic. It's not because they aren't masking. The Indian variant anywhere in the west would look dramatically different.

I was being sarcastic.

India was masking for a year and then cases spiked badly. If masks worked, they wouldn't have spiked.

You know "The Porn Nerd" ... you come on here and state your opinion (that other people are selfish fucks) and then when someone has a discussion with you and shows you facts you say nothing.

Then a week later you call people selfish assholes or uncaring again and someone else shows you some data that you don't want to look at.

Then a week later same thing.

You're not here to discuss, you're here to virtue signal and I've noticed that you have been that way since you joined the board. This is all about you getting acceptance from this community so your programs can be looked upon favorably.

That's fine and you can do whatever you want but careful when it comes to politics. You are doing more harm than good when you do it with politics, especially with this Corona stuff.

Dude, I am a journalist and I learned long, long ago (before I joined this board) who to have serious discussions with and who were ass hats stuck in their ideology.

Debating "facts" is useless in 2021 and has been for a long time now. You know as well as I do that "facts" are no longer "facts" but "my truth" and "fake news". So going back-and-forth, citing this study vs. that report, is a completely useless exercise I will not engage in.

Having said that, someone saying they don't wear masks because they don't give a fuck about anyone else doesn't need "facts" to be debated. That person is a selfish cunt, end of discussion. Will my engaging them in a meaningful discussion change their attitude about others? No it will not.

I am not really in the Politics section much nor do I give long answers like this in threads like this. I am too busy working and I do not argue with people set in their ways.

Good?

PS: Wearing a mask is not political, not to me. It's a public health issue. If someone thinks wearing a mask is somehow "political" then it's that person who has the real problem and, again, not someone I wish to debate.

Peace.

Viral load, new variants are more contagious so less exposure needed.

India has multiple issues but they did stop the spread of last years covid waves. Look beyond India to places where the same variants are now starting. Singapore, HK, SK, Thailand, Indonesia. Numbers are exploding in all of them and few are vaccinated.

The good news for us white rich folk in far away lands is, vaccines are working.

You fucking idiot.

"was masking" is the issue, then they beat covid, thumped their chests and basked in the miraculous effects of cow dung while having US Redhat inspired political rally's.

.. and now here they are 4 months later with Modicovid thanks to variants.

India will get over covid! just no other country is getting anything needed to treat it from them while they deal with their own 1.3 billion population, and that's the issue, because countries dependant on Indian supplies are also beginning to get new variant waves.

Not at all. You're not really (and never have) addressed the points I brought up.

In our past arguments on Corona you responded with "whatever." after I took the time to show you stats and try to make a point.

I still believe in discussion and agree with you that it is getting more and more difficult to do these days but it is worth the effort when the other person is trying.

Masks don't do enough to affect viral load. The old variants went through even the N95 masks to infect whole nursing homes, residences and hospitals - places where people take the most precautions and the employees there are highly trained in wearing them.

If people who are trained to wear them properly with the best available masks can't do so then what is average Joe going to do with a piece of cloth?

BTW ...

I encourage everyone to take the Covid Chart Quiz.

https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

See if you can correctly guess the lock down date or mask mandate in a country or state.

...AND my point proven once again. Thank you.

The Swiss cheese model still stands. Multiple layers each reducing risk, and masks are on
there.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElE7EHeV...name=4096x4096

Yeah but even then, the virus gets through to all nursing homes and everyone gets infected.

We can't stop this virus. It will do what it will do.

Take the quiz:

https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

You do exactly the same.