No, I am way more eloquent when insulting someone.

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Sure we can, but we need to slow it until we have the facilities in place.

It's not that long until we have a universal vaccine ready, then its game over we win. Its just we are a few years out from that, BUT.. 10 years closer than we were in 2019.. thanks to the influx in money/ research/public interest, from Covid.

Nothings advanced human medicines more than wars and pandemics. And this ones the granddaddy of them all because international travel spread it to every corner of the planet, so its a worldwide somewhat combined effort.

This thread is a testament to adult in 2021. A bunch of old, out of touch morons that don't have an ounce of curiosity, or the ability to take in new information and adapt. Just mindless drivel from such a large chunk of people that should have some respectability after 2 decades here but instead you just solidify how shitty you are.

I mean... I'm not old by any metric, but I wouldn't really be proud to tout how young you are.

I always get a kick out of Millenials & Gen Z's thinking they're so much smarter than previous generations, yet, we have to put warning labels on tide pods and such so you don't eat them...

NY vs FL proves this is nothing but hogwash.

2 states with very similar populations. 1 state had the most strict measures in the country, the other had very little to none. Both states resulted in identical covid numbers.

Not to mention, your graphic is extremely linear, and neither air nor virus loads travel in a straight line.

You come across as borderline retarded. Folks in NYC have lost their minds and the rest of the state has known this for years.

Oh so you are one of the pig farmers who live Upstate? LOL OK redneck, whatever you say. LOLZ

We have plenty of masks. That's a bit silly.

yeah you'd think it was silly until you realise hospital staff and those giving vaccines are still using surgical masks which while effective against droplet transmissions are going to offer little protection against smaller airborne particles.

Because of new variants Australia has just updated to this recommendation "N95 masks, goggles, gowns and gloves be used in interactions with patients with COVID-19, or those suspected to have it."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/covi...15-p57s8x.html

Problem is there's not enough to go around, even for front line staff. Double masking is a work around but once again we don't have the production to double mask usage especially with India's current out break where their 1.3 billion population is sucking up world supply.

US article on N95 supply from January https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ply-in-the-u-s

What a mess. Hang in there Aussies!!

Its a worldwide problem not uniquely Australian and as these variants increase in virial load increasingly important that those on the front line fighting covid are fitted out in gear that may offer them some protection. Vaccines might help prevent us from dying, but they don't protect you from catching Covid and having a week off work sick.

LOL - How anti-maskers interpret information.

I think the Mexican obese guy that works here will die soon of Covid related symptons. While it is 35 degrees he is wearing his mask outside and sweating like an ox all day. His lungs or heart must collapse soon cause of CO2 poisoning.

Tip for Australia, only lockdown the 70+ and obese with underlying disease. That will help the hospital staff. Some will be selfish and don't care and will try to escape from those guarded "70+ Corona Camps". No vaccine pasport needed, just look at the birth date in their passport and guess their weight. If you are not sure; if they can't do the 100 meter in 15 seconds, don't let them in. Better; everyone that can't run the 100 meter in 15 second, stay inside! Quit mac donalds, quit smoking, quit drinking else you are selfish. And stop playing Australian Football, more dangerous than Corona for the young people.

June. Hopefully :thumbsup

you know healthy people of all ages have died from the virus...


or are you being sarcastic because of this reason?

About 1000 people younger than 65 died in Holland from Corona.
That means 95% was older than 65.
So if that group is protected, than hospitals won't fill up that fast.

The bottom line is they don't know how to deal with, interpret, or respond to facts. They get their information from the TV and, regardless of how much proof to the contrary, they take what they see as gospel and nothing will ever change their mind unless the message they get from the TV changes.

The simple fact is, these bullshit "masks" people are wearing aren't protecting anyone. The ONLY masks that would affect slowing the spread of a virus are N95 respirators or better, but even then, you still have other open orifices and a virus isn't transmitted in only one fashion.

The "vaccine" doesn't stop one from getting or transmitting the virus and is untested to boot. It was rushed to market and sold to millions of people through fear. The fact that no one in the world has any information on short or long-term side effects should terrify the common person, but these days, people are so ignorant, gullible, and indoctrinated, they'd literally eat a pile of shit if Fauci told them it would protect them from covid.

LOL - Notice how you cherry-pick a portion of my post in order to sound like you're saying something.

The numbers do not lie, regardless of what they tell you on TV. FL and NY are so close in comparison they are statistically equal. One state had the most strict mandates, guidelines, and lockdowns, the other didn't. Yet, the end result between the 2 is statistically identical.

Oh, and one state (NY) sentenced thousands of seniors to death to boot.

I've noticed this as well. They tend to get very uncomfortable and defensive when you put facts in front of their faces that defy their beliefs and so they twist things around and call you names to defect from the main points.

The reason is because they are not arguing from an intellectual level but rather an emotional/religious one. It's why your point about them changing their minds only when the TV (religion) changes it's mind is true. Kind of like trying to tell ultra religious people that the world wasn't created in 6 days. They simply can't see any other truth but their own because if they did then their world would fall apart.

Case in point...

Leftists: Flu cases are down because everyone is wearing a mask.

Also leftists: Covid cases are up because people aren't wearing their masks.

You seriously can't make this shit up.

The defacto leftist response playbook: ignore the facts/information, attack the messenger!

Oh, and, chant 3-4 words over and over again like parrots.

Yeah. I hear that all the time. The fact that everyone says that (the exact same thing) means that they have parroted what they heard on CNN.

It's actually scary. So many unconscious people going around mindlessly. It's what zombies represent in horror movies ... group narrative without independent thought.

Here are all the "facts" to justify my position.

Which side is that? Dem or Repub?

Hmmmmm.....

Common sense? Nope - too much of a victim of propaganda. Oh well....

Carry on?

I have no idea what any of what you wrote means.

EXACTLY the point my internet friend!

Masks, for some reason (tho we all know why) have become a political issue when it should always have been a health care issue.

So now? Everyone is confused, upset, angry, self-righteous, mean-spirited and stuck in their idealogy. I mean this for both sides of the issue.

Sad really.

No I mean I don't understand what YOU wrote.

I understand masks very well thanks.

Surgical masks have never been used to mitigate virus transmission. They're used to mitigate bacteria transmission.

Virus particles are far too small for anything less than N95, which is what N95 was specifically designed for.

Bacteria particles are much larger than virus particles, and can, for the most part, be mitigated through the use of surgical masks, which is their intended purpose.

And even if surgical masks provided the slightest amount of viral transmission mitigation, the simple fact of the matter is most people wear what equates to a t-shirt or worse in "protection".

This entire notion that wearing masks has helped mitigate the spread of covid is an absolute farce.

The fact they had to change the definition of the term "herd immunity" in order to push the "vaccine" is another huge farce.

And the only reason any of this is political is that y'all make it so. You love to think anyone who is against mask mandates or this untested, rushed-to-market so-called vaccine is an "evil, racist, sexist, homophobic, granny killing republican", but that's just simply not factual.

Anyway, I know nothing I say here will sway you in any way, shape, or form because you only trust the TV, so I'll end with this...

At the end of the day, you do what you think is best for you and I'll do the same... but we both know that won't happen. You and others on the radicalized left will continue to demonize and dehumanize anyone and everyone who doesn't hop on board with the beliefs you got from TV, so it is what it is.

"But the masks stop the droplets!" you say...

I say, the last time anyone ever spat into my mouth was exactly never. The only person on this planet I swap spit with is my wife. Hell, I don't even drink after my own kids.

The last time anyone sneezed or coughed on me was, also, exactly never.

If you're worried about people literally spitting in your mouth then you're either completely delusional, or you hang around some seriously gross people.

Same same for those on the right.

And I'm sorry WHO was president when all this started? WHO made it political? WHO made the CDC gutless and run by a political hack? WHO has the most interest in dividing people over any and all issues?

Oh right - TRUMP.

Carry on.

You are suggesting that never have you been in a conversation with someone when some of their spittle hits your mouth?

Lie much or just have zero social interaction with others, ever?

That's some amazing selective memory you have there...

https://i.redd.it/t21h8z6q88q41.jpg



You were saying?

No, absolutely not. I never, ever, stand close enough to someone for their spit to be able to get anywhere near my mouth.

As I've said many times before, I've been "socially distancing" long before it became a popular catchphrase; y'know, back when it was simply called personal space. I'm a borderline germophobe and people, in general, disgust me.

It's called personal hygiene, personal responsibility, personal safety, and personal awareness. Y'all should try it sometime instead of waiting around for the government to tell you how to be safe or wash your hands.

I was saying you are a victim of propaganda. LOL

Right, because those headlines snippets are all fake, and Pelosi/Cuomo, as well as others, didn't do everything in their power to undermine Trump every single chance they got when this thing first hit.

The media, democrats, CDC and WHO didn't downplay covid every step of the way until March 2020.

The media and many democrats, including Biden, didn't call Trump a xenophobe for banning travel from Wuhan back in January.

On and on... yep, it's all propaganda and none of these things actually happened, so I should ignore all of the actual evidence and facts that prove they did...

I'm not saying Trump doesn't have his share of the blame, faults, fuck-ups, and dumb shit, but y'all seriously need to stop acting like he was the only one who did anything wrong and stop pretending as if the democrats and media did not do everything in their power to undermine Trump every step of the way.

And we are 1 month after the KingDay party in Holland and good news. At that time the hospital said it was too busy in the hospitals. But now Holland is opening up extra fast, restaurants open and bars till 22:00. Today a virologist:

""The contamination clusters that everyone feared and shamed about appeared to have originated mainly indoors," says the virologist. "That indicates that you should be outside, for example around the European Championship." And of course not a full square, because that is "optically not a good idea". According to the professor of clinical virology, we should avoid these scenes. “But we can assume that an event like the European Championship or a festival, when it is outside, will not cause a break in the trend. Especially if this prevents people from coming together on a large scale indoors. "

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Only for "optical vision" no large groups. Fuck it, it is safe or it isn't. If people don't like to watch groups, stay home. So more than 1 year police are hitting on people demonstrating outside. Giving people criminal records. For 1,5 years giving fines for people that stayed in groups of more than 2- 4 people outisde. Beaches and parks closed. And finally they say hardly anyone got infected outside. What a motherfuckers.

So it is safe for everyone not wearing a mask outside... not only for the vaccinated.
And Watch Holland win the European Championship Soccer 2021 outside with your friends!

My gym still requires everyone wear a mask. Those fucks.

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