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redwhiteandblue 04-12-2024 01:06 AM

I wonder what has caused them to do this? Surely sending out SEPA payments is easier than mailing a ton of checks every week? I just wonder if they're getting ready to drop the affiliate capability altogether like Epoch did.

BigFurry 04-12-2024 02:20 AM

Probably banking issues. Hopefully they will find a provider that can handle their worldwide affiliate payments.

I think it's not a valid argument that they don't care because they bill for OnlyFans. That's probably not set in stone, companies switch billing companies all the time when they get a better offer. CCBILL can't bet their whole future on a single customer.

femdomdestiny 04-12-2024 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 23253151)
Probably banking issues. Hopefully, they will find a provider that can handle their worldwide affiliate payments.

I think it's not a valid argument that they don't care because they bill for OnlyFans. That's probably not set in stone, companies switch billing companies all the time when they get a better offer. CCBILL can't bet their whole future on a single customer.

this was my thought immediately, relying on one or a few big partners would be crazy. Still, many companies are doing this. Knowing the history of CCbill, this kind of behavior is unexpected and strange.

But the most frustrating and stupidest thing is a decision not to notify affiliates about such an important thing. It will ruin credibility from this moment. Also, not telling where the problem is and are planning to fix it is another problem.

BigFurry 04-12-2024 03:39 AM

Hopefully they didn't announce because they don't consider it final, and they are hoping to find a solution in a short timeframe.

Fotex 04-12-2024 03:43 AM

Has anyone tried using payoneer.com, wise.com or another service to accept ACH payments to Europe?

JasonCollins 04-12-2024 05:17 AM

Is anyone still active on GFY from the CCBill team?

just a punk 04-12-2024 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 23250628)
Whole EU or just UK?

I thought UK uses BACS...

Temma 04-12-2024 11:33 AM

terrible situation

Tagir 04-12-2024 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 23253158)
Hopefully they didn't announce because they don't consider it final, and they are hoping to find a solution in a short timeframe.

CCBill doesn't have any issues with SEPA payments; they continue to accept them on websites, but they've simply decided not to use them to pay affiliates!

Sec 04-12-2024 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 23251115)
Will they send to Wise?

Wise doesn't allow adult content such as pornography, so Wise may terminate your Wise account if you receive payments to it from CCBill.

sawaporn 04-12-2024 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23253300)
Wise doesn't allow adult content such as pornography, so Wise may terminate your Wise account if you receive payments to it from CCBill.

If you read their terms and conditions, you'll be shocked. Not only is porn prohibited, but also crypto gambling and pharmacies. Why are they even needed then?

Tagir 04-13-2024 05:11 AM

As far as I know, Ccbill itself will not make payments to Wise.

Tagir 04-13-2024 05:12 AM

I have started gradually replacing Ccbill links because there is no point in expecting payments from Ccbill anymore((( I'm shocked by how many dead sites there are((( Half are dead, and the other half that are alive deceive webmasters because the join page doesn’t even offer Ccbill as an option! Where it is available, it just redirects to Epoch and other billings! Webmasters earn nothing from this! Just scammers! Many here wrote that billings are set up in a cascade, but in my experience, I haven’t seen any sales from such sites, whoever does this, it's all lies! In general, if you think about it, only 15-20% of live sites actually have a real Ccbill on the join page!

My advice to those who continue to sell sites on Ccbill, check the join pages, you'll be surprised how many site owners are deceiving you!

Tagir 04-13-2024 05:23 AM

Yes, I also forgot to mention, 3% of sites now have crypto payments on the join page, and you won't receive anything from those either.

redwhiteandblue 04-13-2024 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tagir (Post 23253434)
I have started gradually replacing Ccbill links because there is no point in expecting payments from Ccbill anymore

There are two possibilities, either:

1. CCBill are going to continue to support the affiliate business model and therefore will find a solution to paying non-US affiliates at some point, or

2. CCBill are going to drop affiliate support and therefore as a non-US affiliate you should replace your CCBill sponsors now.

For me CCBill income is only a small part of my business now so it would be a loss but only a small one. Shame, back in the day CCBill was about 40% of my income, banking their checks every week along with Epoch, Nasty Dollars, RR Processing, WebmasterChecks (remember them?) and one or two others.

Sec 04-13-2024 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue (Post 23253440)
There are two possibilities, either:

1. CCBill are going to continue to support the affiliate business model and therefore will find a solution to paying non-US affiliates at some point, or

2. CCBill are going to drop affiliate support and therefore as a non-US affiliate you should replace your CCBill sponsors now.

Two more options:
3. Find a EU bank that supports cheque deposits and porn as business, if available.

4. Find a bank in the US that allows EU foreigners to create a US bank account and accepts porn as business, if available.

jamezon 04-14-2024 07:54 AM

can anyone else from the euro gang in here confirm this ? i have no info from ccbill and no info in their panel about this sepa thing

femdomdestiny 04-14-2024 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamezon (Post 23253721)
can anyone else from the euro gang in here confirm this ? i have no info from ccbill and no info in their panel about this sepa thing

That's the problem. They didn't say, you will find out once you can't get your money. Which exactly is happening to me right now.

geirlur 04-14-2024 11:24 AM

Are you guys able to view your account profile at ccbill? ( https://admin.ccbill.com/megamenus/c...AccountProfile) )
I just get a 404 page, it's been like that forever I think.. xD

femdomdestiny 04-14-2024 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geirlur (Post 23253780)
Are you guys able to view your account profile at ccbill? ( https://admin.ccbill.com/megamenus/c...AccountProfile) )
I just get a 404 page, it's been like that forever I think.. xD

yes, I can see it, no 404

Sec 04-14-2024 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamezon (Post 23253721)
can anyone else from the euro gang in here confirm this ? i have no info from ccbill and no info in their panel about this sepa thing

There is no formal announcement about CCBill stopping with SEPA. They did announce SEPA by email in July 2017:
Quote:

News from CCBill:

CCBill is excited to announce the release of a new payout option for
European merchants and affiliates: Payouts in euros via the Single Euro
Payments Area (SEPA) network. Now, our growing merchants and affiliates
can receive fast, secure bank transfers in their local euro currency
and save on added currency fees imposed by their banks.

CCBill is adding SEPA Payouts to its portfolio of easy payment delivery
options as another automated and dependable way for its network of
account holders to receive their settlements. SEPA Payouts provide a
direct deposit of merchant or affiliate funds directly into their
accounts at a SEPA network bank. SEPA Payouts helps CCBill merchants
and affiliates avoid some of the recent banking network challenges with
international wires as well as save on both wire fees and on the cost
of converting dollars into euros through an EU bank.

SEPA Payouts details:
• Available with payouts starting 10 July 2017
• Available to any merchant or affiliate with a euro-denominated
account at a bank in the SEPA network
• Minimum Amount for Payout: $50.00 USD (before conversion to euros)
• No Maximum Amount for Payout

SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY OFFER: To show how excited we are about this new
option, for those who select the SEPA Payout option during the month of
July 2017, we are offering a special introductory rate of $10.00 per
payout* -- a 66% discount off the international wire fee and 33% off
the regular SEPA fee. If you sign up for SEPA payouts during July 2017,
you will continue to receive this rate even after the introductory
period is over.

To make the switch to SEPA and begin receiving money in euros,
merchants and affiliates can contact Merchant Support via email at
[email protected] or call +1.800.510.2359 or the phone number
for your country to start the process.

To learn more about our other payout options, visit the Payouts area of
the CCBill Merchant Knowledge Base.

Thank you,
CCBill
It is also listed in https ://ccbill.com/doc/affiliate-faqs#ftoc-heading-35

But they simply stopped sending non-US SEPA and wire payments.
When you contact them they say that SEPA is not available anymore for affiliates, only:
ACH (US only)
FedEx (assumingly cheques send via FedEx)
US Postal Mail
International Postal Mail

Sec 04-14-2024 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geirlur (Post 23253780)
Are you guys able to view your account profile at ccbill? ( https ://admin.ccbill.com/megamenus/ccbillHome.html#AffiliateActions/AccountProfile(AffiliateAccountProfile )
I just get a 404 page, it's been like that forever I think.. xD

I cannot post links (cannot even normally quote your post), because I don't have more than 30 posts yet, but your URL is wrong. You need to include the ending parenthesis after "AffiliateAccountProfile". But it doesn't give a 404, it just shows the main affiliate home instead of an acount page. So the "AffiliateAccountProfile" doesn't seem to exist, but because it's an URI hash fragment, you usually don't get a regular HTTP 404 response.

femdomdestiny 04-14-2024 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23253802)
There is no formal announcement about CCBill stopping with SEPA. They did announce SEPA by email in July 2017:

It is also listed in https ://ccbill.com/doc/affiliate-faqs#ftoc-heading-35

But they simply stopped sending non-US SEPA and wire payments.
When you contact them they say that SEPA is not available anymore for affiliates, only:
ACH (US only)
FedEx (assumingly cheques send via FedEx)
US Postal Mail
International Postal Mail

How do those checks even work? I've got the last one 10 years ago or so, and it was a complete mess. waiting 45 days to get money, wondering will it be lost somewhere along the way, once in bank employees are scanning you like you are trying to do something illegal,etc

Pornopat 04-14-2024 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23253500)
Two more options:
3. Find a EU bank that supports cheque deposits and porn as business, if available.

4. Find a bank in the US that allows EU foreigners to create a US bank account and accepts porn as business, if available.

Ccbill-> paxum,masspay?

Dibar 04-14-2024 07:52 PM

Countries that are no longer accepting checks:


Austria
Belarus
Czech Republic
Germany
Hungary
Latvia
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Switzerland
Ukraine
Russia
Australia
Finland
Sweden
South Africa
Norway
Netherlands
New Zealand
and other countries

Source: google "countries which no longer accept paper checks"

Pornopat 04-14-2024 11:18 PM

Paxum :
Kindly be advised that we do not have any information about this topic.

You can continue adding funds to your personal Paxum account from your personal bank account via a SEPA / WIRE transfer in EUR (not USD or GBP).

sawaporn 04-15-2024 03:13 AM

Does anyone know how to open an account in an American bank without a SSN if you are a resident of a European country?
because it's fucked up how long will it take to cash out

Retiree 04-15-2024 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sawaporn (Post 23253956)
Does anyone know how to open an account in an American bank without a SSN if you are a resident of a European country?
because it's fucked up how long will it take to cash out

Probably need a company/lawyer to do it online, but when doing it in person, its easy, I just walked in with a passport to a NYC bank and they opened an account for me. I was just like a tourist there, no residence whatsoever.

Pornopat 04-15-2024 09:08 PM

You received 4,730.46 USD from CCBILL LLC
Wise.com
🥳

Major (Tom) 04-15-2024 10:07 PM

Ccbill is a good company.

Tagir 04-16-2024 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat (Post 23254204)
You received 4,730.46 USD from CCBILL LLC
Wise.com
🥳

Wise, like PayPal, can block account at any time(

geirlur 04-16-2024 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat (Post 23254204)
You received 4,730.46 USD from CCBILL LLC
Wise.com
🥳

Did you get paid to a personal or a business account?
Wise has denied me payment from another sponsor to the personal account, and ccbill says they won't pay to a company, the account has to be in my name :helpme

Pornopat 04-16-2024 02:54 PM

personal

Retiree 04-18-2024 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sec (Post 23253500)
Two more options:
3. Find a EU bank that supports cheque deposits and porn as business, if available.

Porn is not an issue in Europe, every bank is fine with it. Back in the day, every bank did cash US checks, too...not sure how it is now.

BigFurry 04-18-2024 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retiree (Post 23255033)
Porn is not an issue in Europe, every bank is fine with it. Back in the day, every bank did cash US checks, too...not sure how it is now.

This is false, if you tell your bank in Europe that you do porn there's a chance they'll close your account. It is random.

And almost no banks in Europe cash checks now.

SpicyM 04-18-2024 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 23255036)
This is false, if you tell your bank in Europe that you do porn there's a chance they'll close your account. It is random.

And almost no banks in Europe cash checks now.

My bank has never questioned me about the funds I get to my personal account, that's not their business as long as the money is legal.

BigFurry 04-18-2024 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 23255044)
My bank has never questioned me about the funds I get to my personal account, that's not their business as long as the money is legal.

You've been lucky, but it's not guaranteed that it will stay that way.

They can absolutely ask about the nature of your transactions anytime, and they're free to decide whether they want to do business with you, even if everything you do is legal. There are porn companies that had to switch banks multiple times in Europe. There are also banks in Europe blocking incoming transfers from company names which have been flagged for porn.

I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is.

It also depends on the transaction volume. It's easy to fly under the radar with a small amount, but if you're doing a lot of international transactions, you can get more attention.

The situation is not horrible, all I'm saying is that banks generally do not like porn (the bank clerk might, but the risk management doesn't), so it's not worth talking about it if you don't need to.

redwhiteandblue 04-18-2024 04:39 AM

Never had the bank query any of the payments I've received, cheque or otherwise.

Until last year, that is.

I got a phone call from someone at Barclays International Payments asking me what this transaction was for. It was from Payserve. I've been getting regular payments from Payserve in exactly the same way since 2007, but for some reason the bank decided to query it this time. After two phone calls during which I explained what it was for whilst giving as little away as possible, they decided it was probably okay and the payment went through two days later.

What triggered that I do not know, it was probably random as you say.

femdomdestiny 04-18-2024 04:42 AM

Why would anyone block payment if everything is legal? That's insane. I've never had a problem.

Retiree 04-18-2024 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 23255036)
This is false, if you tell your bank in Europe that you do porn there's a chance they'll close your account. It is random.

And almost no banks in Europe cash checks now.

Where in Europe are you?


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