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Guess what, if that person wanted to press the issue they would damn sure win in court. If I browse your nice little "cheater" blacklist and make a mental note of somebody's domain you have listed there I may decide not do ever do business with them. This my friend is considered damages. Regardless of how you interpret some unknowing person using a script you think is stolen you can't publically label someone a cheater. One day somebody will have enough of your ego and do something about it. When they do you better hope they don't prove more damages to their business than you've made in your nice little career online. It could very well happen. |
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I have seen many people come griping on the boards because a theif has ripped them off, but when it happens to a guy like Choker you all think he is over-reacting. Tell you what... write a useful script, one that any webmaster might benefit from, put in dozens of hours perfecting it.... and I will then copy, paste, and rename it and pass it off as my own.... and then let's see what happens shall we? Good, done. Let me now when I can pick up my new script. |
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IMO, you are being a dumbass about this whole thing. Why come to the board this way. Why not email Choker instead. It seems you just want to grill his ass. It is NOT his job to dial you up and work out the problem of YOU using a stolen script. (whether you knew it was stolen or not.) On my bigger sites, I bit the bullet and PAID for a script, but I do use chokers on a smaller site. It rocks. Now lets say I would of installed a script, and later I find that it is stolen, well I would pull that motha down in a heart beat, then used CHOKERS script instead. The ball is in your court, why not pull the fucking script and do the right thing. Choker is a good guy. I have purchased awesome traffic from him. So, if you are going to continue to use the stolen script and give the fuck wad a % of your traffic,, well that is cool,, but if he fucked choker, he sure in the hell is FUCKING you! Who knows how much of your traffic is going to the idiot. btw, this whole thread has made you look like a complete fuck up!:thumbsup |
Whats the big deal...choker can do what ever the fuck he wants and blacklist who ever he wants on his forum.
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Choker knows he has zero credibility with me, and might be best served to focus his energy on reaching some agreement with the CJOverkill people. My position in this matter is firm. As long as CJoverkill continues to offer the CJOVERKILL script on their website, I will continue to use it on various sites I operate. I am not here to judge to validly of chokers allegation against CJOverkill, nor do I really care. The matter which has occurred chocker and I is because chocker came at me in less than a manly way. This is not a popularity contest, and I stand by my opinion and decision in this matter, without reservation. |
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If someone gave you counterfeit money, would you use it? No, because it's stolen, illegal money. But yet, according to your argument, it would be ok to spend counterfeit money because somebody gave it to you, and therefore you are not at fault and only the counterfeiter is. Grow the fuck up already and get a valid script. |
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is upset about ! and in all fairness i can see her point ! i've bought many scripts in the past and surely i can't be expected to to find scipts that do the same functions, open them and compare to see if they are a rip off ! "if" one of the scripts i bought was infact a stolen copy i would expect the developer to contact me and make me aware of the situation, getting blacklisted would also be a resonable respone by the developer but calling me or anyone a thief on a public forum....i do not agree with that at all ! having said that your (WendyB) comment regarding the continued use of CJOverKill now that you are aware that it maybe stolen/hacked was a little hasty i feel ! fyi (i do not use either of the mentioned scripts) |
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Sigh, first I did not call Wendy a thief until she started talking smack here. When someone does a search on her domain in findtrades it says "This site is blacklisted for using a stolen version of TTT" Wendy's attitude is pretty typical of the guys who are using this stolen script. They don't care. 95% of them know it is a stolen version. Hell on the stolen scripts support forum there are posts there saying so. Once they are blacklisted it is ususally less than a day before they find out. Of course they are going to be upset because they got found out. As far as emailing them, how many will get the email? I know I filter 95% of my email. Putting them in the blacklist is the fastest way to get thier attention. What they do after that depends upon their character. Is it a coincendence that 90% of the sites using this stolen script also link to CP or beast? I don't want the 1% traffic that I should be getting from them for using my scipt, I don't want them using my script at all.
Wendy whether you agree or disagree with my methods, you know now this is a stolen script. Making excuses for continued usage of this script shows your true character. Your pathetic attempts to slander me in various threads lately is really funny. Dig all you want bitch, you will not find anything on me. We can go on forever with this little game. I find it very entertaining. |
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It is not my desire nor intent to be involved in your affairs. The matter between you and I developed as a direct result of you stating on your web site my site was using a stolen version of TTT. Granted at the time I was unaware of the above mentioned ongoing dispute you are involved in. The act of banning my site from findtrades is not what I have issue with. Unfortunately I am now aware of the actual day my site was placed in the ban status. Equally interesting, please note the CJOVERKILL trade script is the same trade program that was in use when you originally approved ASIANFRENZ.COM for inclusion in findtrades. If there was a problem with the trade program, it would have reasonably expected you could of notified me of your concerns, at that time. If I could be candid with you for a moment. Consider the flip side of the coin how this could have played out, had you approached me in a more professional way. During the past 24 hours I admittedly have had to do a lot of homework in this matter, and unfortunately I am unable to determine the validity of your claim regarding the CJOverkill trade program. This does seem to be a gray area, and without definitive input from an independent software developer watch dog group, still leaves this matter unresolved. While the court of public opinion is still in session, and responses I have seen are not as clear or passionate as you in this matter. What would really be helpful is for you to provide a verified offer of proof that the two programs are identical, and declaring you the rightful owner and publisher. Without such proof such as third party watchdog group analysis and / or court ruling, places webmasters like myself in an uncomfortable position. As many of us have seen in this matter, there are people speaking up from both sides of the fence. In one corner, the claims CJOverkill is an exact copy, while there have others speak up to various degrees of similarity with the two. Is it a modification, rewrite, something completely different seems to be the question and which of the programs would prevail in a legal test. My statements and opinion offered here today are not intended to slander, challenge or embarrass you. It is my sincerest desire that others will not consider this a personal attack against you, or TTT. Hopefully you will feel encouraged to provide those suggested verifications, which would then allow webmasters a learned decision regarding the validity of these programs and the allegations you have presented. The questions which need to be answered are beyond my expertise, and best be left to those more qualified. |
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Wendy -- use the fucking search function.
You can find many programmers that have attested to the the fact that what you are using is a stolen script. Do the right fucking thing and quit trying to be all high and mighty. Your actions in this thread (and others) make me wonder why I ever voiced concern for people not in 'the know'. |
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This has been discussed lots of times on other boards. I have never hidden it's a rewrite http://bbs.icefire.org/viewtopic.php?t=13 It's a complete TTT rewrite with some extra features added. this "great" coder even has the same errors in code that TTT has http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=3103&t=3103 The whole story.. http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=601&t=592 Author: ICEFIRE Date: 01-12-03 08:51 Looks really great. Something like epowertrader but with less features. Even that it is the best free script all around. He sure is happy with this script, that is until he starts making modifications to it and posting it on my board... http://chickenboard.com/read.php?f=13&i=1540&t=1490 He was told to leave my programs which he did like a dog with his tail between his legs, So he then takes my code and changes it. How many other coders have compared the 2 and said he stole my code? Do a search, at least a dozen. How much proof do you need? I have enough proof to satisfy any court of law, but it will never come to that. Because I choose not to spend thousands of dollars pursuing this punk in a civil court makes him no less guilty of stealling my code. I do not have to "prove" he stole my code to a court in order to come to the firm conclusion that he STOLE MY CODE. Does a content provider have to go to court and prove they took the pictures that a thief is using on his site without paying for them? No, seeing that content on that providers site is enough to satisfy anyone. Make all the excuses you want Wendy, you and others running this stolen script. Putting your sites in findtrades blacklist is just the begining. I take this job VERY SERIOUSLY. I do not steal from or cheat anyone. And I'll be damned if I let anyone steal from me. Wanna know how extreme this is with me Wendy?? If your site is 50k a day, you are stealing 500 hits a day from me. Over a 10 day period that is 5k hits, worth about $15 to me. That is $15 I could be putting towards my kids college. You might as well come to my house and take food out of my kids mouth. Yes this is how EXTREME I think of thieves. Maybe I am stupid for thinking this way, but this is ME, THIS IS THE WAY I THINK. Don't steal from me and I will do anything to help you out. I am not a asshole, I am a very nice guy, but I have ZERO tolerance for thieves and cheaters. |
Knowing nothing about code I could have just as easily been in WendyB's place using that script and I would have been extremely pissed off as well if I were to read something about I was blacklisted for using a stolen script.
Same time, if I were the guy who had my script stolen I would be extremely pissed and call everyone using it a thief also. It's bad all the way around, everyone has a reason to be pissed. The bottom line is... I would take the word of Lane and the others who have compared and claim it is stolen and remove it. |
Choker is an asshole.
Yes, I'm using this CJOverkill and now I know that it is probably stolen. Yes, I downloaded and compared the code, and as a former programmer with 10 year experience I can tell that CJOverkill is obviously built on TTT. Though now it has triple more code than TTT and much more advanced, but an old base is still there. But there are reasons why I think Choker is an asshole: 1. I was not aware CJOverkill was stolen and now I checked and see my CJ in the blacklist, though there is my ICQ on trade page and he might notify me instead of stating I'm a cheated behind of my back. I do not read GFY except topics about content, because I mostly deal with content, I just experiment a bit with traffic. I do not read ICEFIRE forum as well, why would I? I just ran into CJOverkill when was looking for trades, tried it and liked more then CJ Ultra I was using then. 2. Choker here just said most of CJOverkill users deal with CP. I do not deal with CP. And this is abusive for me. And I also remember that some people were complainig that some Choker's galleryspots links leaded to CP pages. And who deals with CP after this? 3. If Choker did pay more time to improve his script the issue would have never raised. It's obvious that CJOverkill becomes more and more popular and Choker loose his positions. If CJOverkill was just a lousy ripoff made by some unskilled kid, it just would be an advertizing for TTT. It happens many times before - if something is trully good, repetition only make it more popular. 4. I don't like Chokers attitude of a "guy with the biggest dick" and the way he's trying to protect his business. It shows his uncapability to deal on a highly competitive market. Again, I do agree that in this state as it is now it's probably a theft and I will remove it soon (unless ICEFIRE will publish a new, completelly different from TTT version of CJOverkill), replacing with one of my friends home made script, not with TTT, indeed, god forbid. It's more than obvious for me now that TTT is a shit comparing to CJOverKill. I simply have no time to replace it right now. As I said, traffic was not ever and is not my specialty, I have a ton of other things to take care of... |
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why is it I never get my sig on page one of these threads? I never see a big one comming, so here I am on page 3 :(
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Whoa, and I just wanted to find out what was going on with the Vancouver dinner.
Just took a look at the two scripts. Got to say that it looks different on the surface, but there are lots of similarities in there to say it's a "complete rewrite". Ver. 2 looks different, but I'm wondering how close Ver. 1 was to ttt. For instance, you could tell people to write a function, and people would write functions completely differently. It's just the way people think. Most people who do any coding at all just hate looking at other people's code just because it's hard to understand. Looking at the in.php files. Take away the ip logging and the security checking, you're looking pretty much at ttt. Usually, people aren't allowed to look at ANY code at all if they're going to rewrite something. Maybe the API if that much. If you can say, this sort of looks like something else, generally, there's a problem. Random notes on CJ: And on the security checking, didn't they forget to parse for quotations in the referrer if they're really looking for sql security problems? Why are they checking the string length of the referrer (line 71 in.php)? This isn't C where there's a buffer to worry about. Also, in mysql tables, it cuts off the entry at the column length anyway on inserts, etc. Selects and compares would stop at the first non-matching char, so that would be max 255 anyway. What overflow does this protect against? I just don't see it. That, and the entire algorithm is a bit slower, too. Go figure. Stuff like this really just makes you wonder. About using the "rewritten script": If someone stole stuff I wrote, needless to say I wouldn't be happy. The whole blacklisting thing seems a little extreme, but whatever. It seems like the people that know about the "rewritten script" don't seem to care about being blacklisted, while the people that don't know about it, don't care either. Of course, it wouldn't really hurt to inform them before blacklisting them, but then again, it's not really any of my business. Just my 2 cents. |
In case anyone was offended by my "third World country" remark, if you live in Spain it was not meant to be offensive. Going after someone thru the court system living in Spain would be the equivelent of going after someone living in a third world country. Spains infrastructure is not the most modern. I contacted the ISP that this thief hosts his sites off of. Their main concern as told to me was just keeping their network from crashing on them. They seemed to not give a shit what the guy does. This is the response one would expect from a third world country ISP. And many many people have icqed me wanting money to break a few fingers. According to these people the police don't give a shit, they can be easily bribed if they did not look the other way, which I was told is usually what happens. This is typical third world country attitudes. I have NEVER had a problem with any Spanish webmaster. In fact a version of TTT for them was wrote some time ago. So don't take my comments as offensive, from what every webmaster living in Spain has told me, Spains infrastructure, legal system, and technology is like a third world country. I only know what guys living there have told me. But their babes are hot as hell, I was there a few years back.
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There has been a tremendous amount of posturing on both sides of the fence, and unfortunately taken on a carnival like atmosphere. Although it is clearly evident there are various issues at stake in this matter, and would suggest that embellished name-calling and disparaging comments does not enhance the opportunities of an amicably satisfactory resolve of disputed elements. While simultaneously appreciating choker?s position, and understanding most software published and distributed is protected by copyright law. Copyright is given to the software developer, and individual copies are licensed to individual users. In this matter, both TURBO TRAFFIC TRADER and CJOVERKIL are each the developers of their respective adult web traffic trading software. Each of these developers maintains a Internet web site making their programs downloadable and freely available to the general public. Aside for the overall design of their websites, each makes reference to technical contact information as well as they both maintain a BBS destination for end users. Again, both developers have produced similar competing free products. Both side acknowledge, in varying degrees, one product is the enhancement, revision, and/or manipulation of the other. These acknowledgements appear in various adult industry public bulletin boards, dating back to at least March 2003. Upon review of the various postings, it is clear the dispute between the two developers continued to escalate till the present without resolution. Additionally there is the expectation, a software developer should and would patent his/her software offering. Here in the United States, the United States Patent and Trademark Office has been issuing software patents, it still remains controversial in many competing respects. While visiting the USPTO website, I conducted searches for both Turbo Traffic Trader and CJOVERKILL. Unfortunately the search returned ?0? documents for both software titles. Under USPTO Class Definition(s) 709-714, there appears to be several patent sub-classes, which key elements may or may not apply to both Turbo Traffic Trader and CJOVERKILL. Granted the absence of a productive search, did not in whole or part, provide a clear answer, because either or both could actually have bee issued patients under slightly varied titles. After visiting both the web site for Turbo Traffic Trader and CJOVERKILL, there were elements, which intrigued me. Within the EULA (End User License Agreement) TTT http://turbotraffictrader.com/downloads.shtml , Item 4 acknowledges. Although Choker has remained steadfast on the insistence, that as a ENDUSER, of CJOVERKILL, I am a thief, for using the CJOVERKILL software product. I do and continue to dispute and question the validity of his argument and claims. Absence any third party watchdog group with authority and expertise in this area, or legal authority, I will continued the use of the CJOVERKILL software title on my owned and operated websites. If at some future time, the developers of one or both of the competing traffic software products are able to provide proof of legal authority and rights to one or both, this matter remains unresolved. |
This is one of the dumbest threads on gfy i have ever seen.
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