This thread just keeps getting worse.

It's a stolen script that has been modified PERIOD!!

Okay, first of all, I have no clue who any of the people are on either side.

Now, those of you who are pissed about being blacklisted for using a stolen script....why the fuck are you pissed at Choker??? Why not be pissed at the guy who "stole" the script, and took your traffic without any warning at all of the consequenses??? I think that is who I would be pissed at, and sure as hell wouldn't send the 1 more fucking visitor!!

You know Wendy, why don't you just shut the fuck up? . You can run your mouth all you want about whatever you want. It's nothing but a smokescreen. You are fooling NOBODY. You make all the excuses you want for your CONTINUED usage of a stolen script. That's fine. When you get your clock cleaned I am sure you will come back here and cry again. Poor me, I am a thief and Choker is doing this and doing that. blah blah, you are pathetic. You disgust me.

Do you have stolen content on your sites Wendy? According to your logic a content provider would have to prove in a court of law it was his content before you stop using it? What's he gotta do, bring the model into the courtroom to testify? Am I calling you a content thief? Well you are a code thief, not much of a leap to being a content thief, now is it? Anybody ever caught a trade popping consoles on them? When you looked deeper did you find that trade cheating in other ways? NAH, that would never happen. LOL

The blacklisting of my site is not a problem. It is his right to operate his site(s) as he chooses.

I do/did take issue with chocker referring to me as a thief. This is a statement I take personally, and have adamantly denied. In my opinion, he crossed the line, and during the past 24/48 hours have had to do a crash course in the TTT vs.CJoverkill saga.

His frustration stems from apparent previous inability to resolve an outstanding dispute with the developers ad distributors of CJOVERKILL.

I use the Traffic Trade script CJOVERKILL, a program which was downloaded and freely available on the CJOVERKILL website, located at http://cjoverkill.icefire.org

As CJOVERKILL's end-user, I have agreed to their terms of use, not choker's.

When will this post die.

guys, this problem could have been fixed if u just bought a trading script.

everyone was talkin about howf freehost will steal yo shit and stuf.. and get paid hosting

same shit, buy a script and stop cryin.

I appreciate you stepping up, and will view and accept the above as an apology to the people of Spain. Although we both know threads on GFY can become a bit heated, but racial attacks on various groups is not acceptable.

Again, thank you for apology to the Spanish people and clearing the air on that matter.

I noticed the CJoverkill site has a bunch of resources listed. I went over to Cozy Frog and see they list the script. I didnt check any of the others. What is there stance on this issue between the two scripts?

OMFG. Kaniving piece of shit aren't you? Trying to say my comment about Spain being a third world country is a racial attack? I have dealt with people like you before who try to turn someones words around to use against them. See here's the thing Wendy, I will forget all about you by tomorrow. But everyday you will loose potentially great trades. Everyday someone will remind you that you are blacklisted for being a thief. You will think of me often and wrench your teeth in anger. You are to me nothing more than another thief I blacklisted. There will be another thief tomorrow and life goes on. 99% of the guys in this biz are hardworking and have high morals and standards, despite the business we are in. You are not one of those 99%. Your last thought before you go to sleep tonight will be "Choker" . Sleep tight. :thumbsup

What you have uncovered is yet another example why this is not a issue with a clear yes or no/right or wrong answer.

Depending on the comments from various programmer types, the answer is still not clear. That is the reason I asked for some sort of proof, where an independent software developer watch dog group may have weighed in on this matter. If there has been any litigation that also would support one developer's claim over another, would be good enough for me.

This is the type of information that is needed with these tangled issues where exists a lot of gray areas.

But they find out their using a stolen version of the script! If they decide not to use the real one, or use another script! Fuck em! Why should he help people that are using a stolen version of the script! That's bullshit. He did the same thing I would do!

jDoG

storm in a tea cup

you used a stolen script so you were banned im sure if you didn't get your panties in a knot and approaced choker this would be sorted.

who knows how many cheats choker has to deal with but my guess is a shitload he has to have an aggressive approach to cheaters or things would turn to shit

and btw wendy i think your an idiot :thumbsup

I can see where it would lead to confusion. A site like Cozy Frog is pretty well known and respected. I am sure a lot of people download the script from there. I am not sure what other resource sites list it.

This was just something I noticed. I do not use either script I am just an observer in this case. Its a sticky situation but I am sure both parties will do what is best for there own business.

You as with all are entitled to your opinion. I do feel you have missed the point.

Thank you for your input on this matter.

Everyone keep missing the fact, that Choker made a public statement (in form of publishing on his web-page) accusing a bunch of people in theft. The people, most of which he doesn't know and has no solid proof they are using that script being aware that it's stolen.

I really don't care for the fact my site is banned with him, but what I do care is the fact Choker wrote: "Confirmed Cheater". He did not wrote "Uses CJOverkill, based on a stolen TTT version, may be unaware of the fact it's stolen". No, he wrote "Confirmed Cheater". Like he informed me that the script was stolen or like he has a solid proof that I was knowingly used stolen script.

And this makes him a PROVEN ASSHOLE with me. If I were in USA I might really sue him. And don't start telling me again that I'm using a stolen script. This is not what it all is about. It's all about the fact he publicly claimed something abusive that he has no prooves for. His conclusions were made on his personal assumptions.


For instance - let's imagine I'll go register a domain chokersucks or something like that. I will place there the known facts, like that his links sometimes lead to CP, like this sad fact that he accused innocent people in theft, like the fact that some of his pages are full of shit and take your surfers away also I'm sure there are some other negative facts, and add some assumptions - like he's a confirmed CP peddler, because he doesn't care about his links leading to CP pages and some others of this kind, may be entirelly made up on pure assumptions - let's say dialers, traffic stealing, cheating newbies etc.

And then let's say I will be promoting this page everywhere where I can. Would it be cool with Choker and anyone else?

BTW, Choker, do you know that hosting providers restrict spreading of abusive incorrect information about other persons? This is what you did, and this is exactly similar to an example I just gave.


Again, for his business attitude. His TTT is outdated shit from what I see now. If I were Choker I would either make a kind of deal with ICEFIRE or I would upgrade TTT so that it would be better then ICEFIRE's script, and then contacted each webmaster who use ICEFIRE's script and tell them that they are using lousy stolen script, offering them to change for his more advanced new version of TTT. I'm sure 95% of webmasters would gladly make a change and he would get plenty of new TTT users this way. But look what he's really done! He is stupid and lazy - he can't improve his TTT script to compete with stolen CJOverkill, he doesn't care about people who use that CJOverkill unknowing it's stolen and he doesn't understand how he could benefit from this entire situation.


This makes him CONFIRMED STUPID ASSHOLE.


I could add more and more to this, showing that he's an asshole of all kinds, but I have a lot of more profitable things to do...


Anyone can reasonably argue what I just wrote?

Choker, I do not really care about your balls size, but you personally accused me in theft even without knowing who I am and what I do and trust me, I will remember this. No one can tell I'm a bitch, I'm really a very tolerant person, but what you did was just over the line.

Nice book...

Bottom line is, it's a stolen script and once you found that out you should have stopped using it.

anytime

Nope, bottom line is - Choker is an asshole.

As I said, I won't be using CJOverkill or Chokers script anymore, so it's not about this at all. I do not care about script at all. If I dealt with traffic seriously, I would write my own script, I have enough skills for this. So, again, IT"S NOT ABOUT SCRIPT.


I will give another simple example which is even a dumbass can understand. If there are still any who do not.

Let's say you have a neighbour who you are not familiar with. You see him when he goes by, and he sees you but you do not communicate. Let's say this neighbour has a nice gold watch. One day it's stolen. And another day you go to some small shop at the corner and buy exactly that stolen watch. You don't know the shop owner sell stolen stuff, there is no big signboard with a writting "We sell stolen watches" on the front of that shop. Then later this neighbour accidentally see his watch on your hand. What would normal person do? Normal person goes to police. Police comes, asks questions, you tell them - "I bought this watch at store, here is the check". The seller goes to prison. But NOBODY have a right to say in this situation that you are a THIEF.

And what such a dumbass like Choker would do? Yes, exactly what he really did - start going and telling everyone on public that the man is a confirmed thief, because he wear his watch, witout even trying to inform that man about this. Brilliant!!!

And tell me that it's not possible in USA to sue anyone for such abusive public statements based upon pure assumptions.

In the eyes of most court systems I know of...
if you are supporting thievery then you are a thief by association, and
ignorance is no excuse.
If you buy and display stolen content, once it is found out you can be forced to remove that content, you can even be fined, and people have been in some cases. Your sites can be shut down as well, and it doesn't often take a court case to achieve this.


How many programmers have to come forward and confirm Choker's claim before people accept it as legitimate? Some of you people really need to stop trying to tell everyone "what the point here is" and just shut up and do the right thing. Now that I see the stance some of you hardheads are taking I don't blame the guy one bit for calling you what he has called you.

I'm sorry, but the real bottom line here is simply this: if you don't want to be called/labelled a thief, then don't support thievery.

No matter how I approach these sites using the stolen version of TTT, I will be attacked by some. Wendy is a prime example of sites using the stolen version. Most do not care. Most have no morals. If I sent out a email telling these guys they are using a stolen script, GUARANTEED more than one of them would report me for spamming email. I was not born yesterday. You have to be living under a rock to not know that this script is a illegal copy of TTT.

As far as suing me, GO FOR IT. Sue me for calling you a thief? LOL. What about the 1% of the hits you stole from me? I can show REAL MONETARY DAMAGE THERE.

However, I admit I am being harsh in the blacklist database, so I am changing it to read

This site is blacklisted for using a stolen version of turbotraffictrader script. To get off this blacklist, visit this url http://chickenboard.com//read.php?f=12&i=130&t=130

But I am sure this will not satisfy many. Thieves always find excuses for thier actions. And nobody in jail is guilty either.

you both saying TTT & Cjkiller are free scripts ... am i right ?

so how about this %1 percent ?


if we are talking about stealing

you both stealer ...

:1orglaugh

Not too bright are you?

I think that is a very professional way of doing it. Much better then calling them a cheater because you can't be sure they really did know. Like I mentioned earlier in this thread the CJOverkill script is listed on Cozy Frog. I bet it gets downloaded a lot from there by people that simply don't know.

Good call in my book

I feel it is important to remain focused on the primary issue(s). Often times the discussion can become emotionally heated, where innuendo and unsubstantiated claims are mistaken for fact.

I am one person who has stood up and openly challenged Choker and the business tactics he employs. This really should not be my job to defend my use of his competitors software product, however there comes a time for each of us to take a stand as to what is right.

Is this a matter that can or will be decided in Webmaster chat rooms? My personal response is no, because the issues at stake are far to complicated and the legal issues should be addressed in a proper venue.



When the developer of one software product (TURBO TRAFFIC TRADE)
Alleged that I, the end-user of their competing software product (CJOVERKILL) has stolen the TTT product is false, misleading and factually without merit.

In various open forums both developers (chocker & icefire ) have laid claim to their respective software products.

At present the claims presented by both sides (Choker & Icefire) are each compelling in their own right, however fail to establish legal claim or independent review by an established software developer arbitration organization, who would have expertise in closely contested matters as this.

I have no business interest with either of the above names, other than a licensed end-user of CJOVERKILL.

When I downloaded and installed CJOVERKILL acknowledged my acceptance and agreement to respect to all terms specified by Mr. Georgiev and CJOVERKILL.

The CJOverkill reads

CjOverkill 2.0.1
Copyright Kaloyan Olegov Georgiev
ice [at] icefire.org
This script has limited open source license. Read LICENSE at the end of this file for more info.
If you are a developer or you need to modify the script then you must read the license before continuing.

BY INSTALLING OR USING CjOverkill SOFTWARE "PRODUCT", YOU CONSENT ON BEHALF OF
YOURSELF AND/OR THE ENTITY YOU REPRESENT TO BE BOUND BY, AND BECOME A PARTY TO, THIS AGREEMENT "LICENSE" AS THE "LICENSEE". IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU MUST NOT INSTALL CjOverkill OR USE THE CjOverkill SOFTWARE, AND YOU DO NOT BECOME A LICENSEE UNDER THIS AGREEMENT. THIS PRODUCT IS PROVIDED BY Kaloyan Olegov Georgiev "THE AUTHOR" "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES
(INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES;
LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND
ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT
(INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF
THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.
(2) This version of the LICENSE supersedes any prior versions.
(3) LICENSEE of the PRODUCT (all versions, including any beta versions,
incomplete, damaged, hacked or downloaded from a non official site versions) must accept this license agreement in full and the disclaimer.
(4) LICENSEE is strictly prohibited from redistributing the source code or precompiled code of the PRODUCT unless LICENSEE has a written permission by
THE AUTHOR.
(5) LICENSEE may attempt to reproduce or alter the source code of the PRODUCT
in order to adapt the code to his particular needs. IN NO CASE LICENSEE CAN
SELL PRODUCT OR PRODUCT DERIVATES.

6) If LICENSEE alters the PRODUCT code, then LICENSEE is not allowed to
distribute the altered code or leave this code to a third party persons or
entities unless point #7 and point #8 requerements are met.
(7) If LICENSEE wants to distribute altered copies of the PRODUCT, then LICENSEE must have the written consentment of THE AUTHOR of the PRODUCT and depending on the modifications point #8 will need to be met or not.
(8) LICENSEE is strictly prohibited from removing the 1% traffic payload or the ads code present in the trades section of the PRODUCT.
(9) By modifying the PRODUCT LICENSEE agrees to submit the altered code to THE AUTHOR in order it to be reviewed and perhaps included in future
releases of the PRODUCT. In this case LICENSEE must provide some information
if LICENSEE wants his name to appear in the PRODUCT developement team credits.
(10) LICENSEE may terminate this license agreement at any time provided that
LICENSEE destroy all copies of the PRODUCT. This LICENSE will automatically
terminate if LICENSEE fails to comply with any part of the agreement, at
which time, LICENSEE must destroy all copies of the PRODUCT.
THE AUTHOR, at any time, may terminate this LICENSE agreement, in which case LICENSEE must destroy all copies of the PRODUCT.
(11) LICENSEE agrees that the use of any version of the PRODUCT that has removed payload traffic or ads code in the administration area (use of
hacked versions, tricked versions or non offical and unnaproved by THE
AUTHOR versions of the PRODUCT that have removed and/or modifyed payload
traffic and/or ads code without THE AUTHOR's authorization are included here)
WILL NOT TAKE LEGAL (OR OTHER) ACTIONS OF ANY KIND AGAINST THE AUTHOR if THE
AUTHOR executes his right to destroy all the versions of the PRODUCT that
met the mentioned unathorized modifications. This action could lead but not
limited to any kind of data damage, data loss, network saturation and third
party software used by LICENSEE security defeat.
(12) WHEN DISTRIBUTING OFFICIAL OR ANY KIND OF MODIFYED VERSIONS (NON
AUTHORIZED MODIFYED VERSION ARE INCLUDED TOO) OF THE PRODUCT THIS LICENSE
AGREEMENT MUST BE INCLUDED INTACT

Damn Wendy you are one super bitch.

Sorry Wendy, but in this particular case there is no arguing with what I have posted in this thread. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Period. By knowingly continuing to support someone who has admitted to at least initially copying Choker's script (yes, he admitted that several times, his argument is that he then made changes to it so "it's okay") you are now knowingly supporting thievery.

I wish you all the best. I know that for myself I wouldn't be able to live with having this sort of black mark on my reputation and business, but as I said earlier... that's just me. I would be driven to fix the situation and clear up any doubt as to my integrity. I'm at a loss as to why an obviously-intelligent person such as yourself would continue to dig yourself in deeper and deeper when this could all be fixed so easily. I have known and worked with Choker for over a year now, and he is neither vindictive nor begrudging, but he isn't the type to accept this kind of unfairness either, and I don't blame him a bit.

Cheers.

You could bring her all the proof in the world, she isnt going to listen. She "cut a fat hog in the ass" so to speak when she obtained this script. She is too lazy to take it down and run a legal one. She will fight to the bitter end on it. But what the dumb ass doenst see is how it is going to hurt her in the future.

yada yada

Bravo.

You think I'm just 'Anon', so you probably won't care, but that's all I was saying in the first place.

Fuck Wendy -- she's been 'served' and is now COMPLETELY in the wrong.

I hope you nail her ass to a wall.

:thumbsup

Your original unedited post made more sense.

How can you continue to use stolen software once you *KNOW* it's stolen; especially if you're using the softare to make money!? There are traffic trading scripts that are both legit and *FREE*. Why not check out a free script that doesn't use stolen code, like cjultra (http://www.cjultra.com).

You hit the nail on the head for sure. Thing is the last 72 hours she has spent at least 30 hours fucking around on this. Surely her time is worth at least $10 a hour ? hmm, could have bought a C script by now and been done with it all. Instead she has exposed herself to countless webmasters that now know she is using a stolen script. And EXACTLY 189 quiries to findtrades.com blacklist database that came back with the response.........

asianfrenz.com has been blacklisted!

Blacklist reason
Script Stealing

Additional comments
Confirmed cheater.Using a stolen version of TTT

Confirmed by
choker


Being the bitch that just has to get the last word in sure is costing you a lot Wendy, DUMBASS

sometimes it's better to not get involved

How is cozyfrog able to distribute it without catching any heat? Ain't no way I'd think a script on cozyfrog was stolen....

Sorry choker, this is not one you are going to be able to bully and verbally stomp your way.

Until you first legally resolve the long running dispute with Icefire, the developer, distributor and owner of CJOVERKILL as to the legality of their freely available software product this will amount to little more than a war of words.

Your objection as to my choice and continued use of CJOVERKILL is well noted.

If in fact, there is legal validity to your claims of ownership, why have you not resolved this TTT vs. CJoverkill issue during the past eight plus months?

If all is as you have claimed, what steps have you undertaken to legally establish ownership of TTT and CJO?

Because the matter between you and icefire contain many complex legal questions which to date remain unanswered, makes this whole exercise a circle jerk (LOL) of words.

Without such established legally binding decision by a judge or arbitrator, you are in no position nor do you have the legal right to demand the removal of your competitors script from our internet web domain.

While I believe my previously presented arguments on this matter are valid, it is not my job to get you two (CHOKER & ICEFIRE) back to the bargaining table. My position remains simply, that of an END-USER of CJOVERKILL.

*sigh*

While you wrote this 3 more quiries to findtrades came back with this response

asianfrenz.com has been blacklisted!

Blacklist reason
Script Stealing

Additional comments
Confirmed cheater.Using a stolen version of TTT

Confirmed by
choker

Why are you here and bitch instead of sueing the TTT guy?? I bet cause you know that's expensive. And trying to sue a guy in Spain for sure costs a fortune. Dealing with corrupt judges is no fun either. So don't talk bullshit all the time when you know it better.
What about if I register a domain fuckwendyblair.com and blatantly copy your site and all your work... I'd grow MY sites far bigger than yours and earn more bucks than you. But without a judge telling me it's not good to rip your work each day I can continue. That's at least your words....

If there is no pussy , your right hadn will do

LOL, it appears we may need a special program to keep track of the players and their positions in this matter.


CHOKER: Developer, distributor, and head honcho of trade program called Turbo Traffic Trader. http://www.turbotraffictrader.com


ICEFIRE : Developer, distributor, and head honcho of trade program called CJOVERKILL. http://cjoverkill.icefire.org

WENDYB: Website owner, Non-Programer and head honcho of ASIANFRENZ.COM END-USER of trade program called CJOVERKILL.

Let's keep a few things clear. I do not and have never had an ownership interest in either of the two software developers product.

I have never stated any intention of litigation against chocker or icefire in this matter. At this point there is nothing to gain for me do legal battle against those two. It is their battle, not mine.

The reality is, all choker had to do was contact me in a civil tone, explain his position, and I more than likely would have accommodated him.

BUT, THAT MOUTH OF HIS JUST REVVED MY ENGINE, and the race was on.

What I have done is attempted to hold choker accountable and take a serious look at the way he conducts himself. In particular this would relate to his CHOICE OF WORDS when banning websites fro the website FINDTRADES.COM , the sister site of Turbo Traffic Trader which he also owns.

I only became involved the past couple days after I had learned chocker was alleging, I had stolen his TTT software.

At that time I was unaware of what I have now learned has been a long running business dispute between Choker and Icefire.

Upon further review, I discovered Chocker appears to have not taken any of the following steps to definitively establish ownership of CJOVERKILL.
United States Patent and Trademark Office: NO
State of Florida; Department of State; Trade Name registration: NO
Software submitted for independent review before a software development arbitrator with expertise in these contested matters: NO ACTION FOUND

My position, as a END-USER of CJOVERKILL is to question if choker actually has the right, at this point to make any demand on me, regarding CJOVERKILL.

I am sorry you are a bit mixed up about my position .