ME TOO

yah.. you've repeated that numerous times...
I suggested not to bitch here but to sue Choker for slander. You don't do it cause it's expensive. But you ask Choker to file a lawsuite in Spain, lol, amazing.

If you can't live with that (false) accusiation get him by his balls and sue him.

Choker can demand anything he wants. Do you have to comply? No. He can also blacklist anyone he wants to for any reason he wants to. If you don't want to be on HIS blacklist, you might consider doing what he asks.

Why do women make everything so complicated?

:glugglug

not all of us "women" use stolen scripts

HE SAID SHE STOLE MY DOG
SHE SAID NO I DID NOT
HE SAID YOU STOLE MY DOG
SHE SAID SHOW ME YOUR DOG OWNERSHIP PAPERS
HE SAY I DONT HAVE NUNE DOG LICENSE

ICE FIRE SHOULD REALLY BE THE ONE FIGHTING WITH CHOKER
WHAT DO ICE FIRE SAYS?
:winkwink:

Don't d yourself TOM from chicken is an aSSHOLE!!!!!!!!!:321GFY :321GFY

By this logic, every web page, every gallery I make I need to copyright it and trademark it so if someone steals it I can prove they stole it.

Theives and those who support thieves will make excuses till the cows come home. Stramm is right Wendy. Sue me. You think a Judge would even hear a trial about a porn peddler suing another porn peddler because Porn Peddler A put Porn Peddler B into his little blacklist database for using a stolen program from a wanna be Porn Peddler in Spain? LOL. Get real.

Let me guess.....You are blacklisted also ??

Indeed :1orglaugh

Let's try to remain focused people. This whole discussion boils down to a software ownership issue. This is not apples, not content, not web pages... It is a traffic trade software title(s) and the ownership of one or more of the software titles is in dispute.

Again, I will remind you that at no time during this discussion have stated or suggested, I would or should seek, any legal action against you.

While I do find your statements as to and in that particular scope of discussion misleading, when in fact it has been numerous others who have suggested the same.


It is though your responsibility to make reasonable effort and properly register your ownership interests, according to applicable laws.


What I have repeatedly attempted to communicate to you is, your first fight is with Icefire, the developer and distributor ( http://cjoverkill.icefire.org/ ) of CJOVERKILL you claim is yours.

While I acknowledge you passionate stance in this matter, if is counterproductive if you continue putting the cart before the horse.

Although I have remained somewhat level headed, and attempted to respectfully maintain a decorum to assist in the resolution of the complex issues presented.

is wndyb or choker or ice the original owner?

I got this one a while back

2003-10-05 Radi Script Stealing On his site theres NOT anytrade link..only clean links to galleries. He DOESNT trade !

...now if the guy actually took the time to see that I hide the trading code using mouseovers on my TGPs /sigh.

On top of that...this doesn't really constitute script stealing.

Does it still say that? If so give me the info and I will check it out. I am not perfect , mistakes do happen.

The funny thing is, the Congress and Senate here in the United

States, which have enacted laws for matters such as this, are a

majority male.

Bullshit lady. THIS whole discussion, started by YOU, boils down to you continuing to make use of a stolen script in spite of the fact that you are now fully aware that it is higly questionable at best. THAT my dear is the central issue here, period.

Choker has amended his blacklist and has dropped the "thief" part and has focused on the "using a stolen script" part instead.... quite big of him to give a little ground here and make that change I must say. It is more than I can say for you Wendy.... I'm very disappointed to see somone like you being so overly stubborn and hard-headed over an issue that can so easily be remedied and be beneficial to both parties.

Your "passing the buck" ploy isn't flying with a lot of us here. Sorry.

Nice of you to notice, thanks. Yes I did change what it says when a site blacklisted for using this stolen script says. Hell I even added a outlet to get off this blacklist now. Before I never really had one.

http://www.findtrades.com/search/ind...m&action=check

Immature of me to add in the top part, that part is ONLY on Wendy's site. But since Wendy wants to continue her childish rantings...........

Blacklist reason
Script Stealing

Additional comments
This site is blacklisted for using a stolen version of turbotraffictrader script. To get off this blacklist, visit this url http://chickenboard.com//read.php?f=12&i=130&t=130

Confirmed by
choker

Couple of direct questions for choker

Seeing that you have had a software ownership dispute (cjoverkill vs. ttt), which dates back to at least March 2003, Why have you made no effort to legally resolve the issue between you and CJOverkill?


Why is it you have failed to register a Trademark and/ Copyright for Turbo Traffic Trader?

I'll send you an email when I get an opportunity...no rush on it though, I'm not blacklisted, just a bogus cheat report which I'm sure is causing a few people to turn away from me.

Coming from both a legal background and a programming background, I'd say this is virtually impossible. Unless the coding was identical it'd be very difficult to convince a courtroom that the coding was stolen. If CJOverkill was advertising the fact they used coding from TTT, that'd be a different story.

That wouldn't make a difference either...suppose TTT was copyrighted and trademarked. CJOverkill isn't using TTT's name to sell copies of his script. Ie his slogan isn't "CJOverkill - Just like TTT, only better"

I don't know the entire story between you and Choker, or TTT and CJOverkill for that matter...just saying from a legal standpoint it'd be amazingly difficult to prove to a courtroom full of people who probably don't know the first thing about programming. His best case would be "Look, it does the same thing as my program".

My :2 cents: anyhow....

Ah, well a cheater report has nothing to do with me. Anyone can submit these. If a cheater report is confirmed then the site is blacklisted. If you are not blacklisted then there is no worries. The logic behind the cheater reports is simple, if a site has 20 of them but can't be confirmed, chances are he is a cheater that we have been unable to prove. IE hitbots, if a TGP has 20 reports of using a hitbot, which is almost impossible to prove, then common sense tells you he is probably using one.

Wendy I am done with you. I have more important matters to take care of than reading your constant bitching. As long as you use this script you will remain in the blacklist. Don't like it too fucking bad.

You sir are correct on all points :thumbsup

Choker, have you gone frickin' nuts?

asianfrenz.com has been blacklisted!

Blacklist reason
Script Stealing

Additional comments
Please ICQ the owner of this site and remind her that she is blacklisted ICQ 324534565 This site is blacklisted for using a stolen version of turbotraffictrader script. To get off this blacklist, visit this url http://chickenboard.com//read.php?f=12&i=130&t=130

Confirmed by
choker


4 pages of post on this discussion, and not once have I requested to be removed from your blacklist.

Why would I want removed? I couldn't buy this much attention.

Previously my site, http://www.asianfrenz.com was barely noticed in the Find Trades community. As a matter of fact, I bet you could have counted on one hand the number of sites that signed up via Find Trades to trade with me.

I should be thanking you for putting my little site in the spotlight, and increasing my trade traffic with the new trades.

You and you big foul mouth have gotten my little site on the map, and again thanks:).

Wendy you are one stupid bitch allright and a now a confirmed scumbag user of a fucking obviously stolen script


:ak47: SexEducation
:ak47: WendyB

Mr. McDoo, you really have to do a better job paying attention. Take it upon your self to do a little homework, because there may be a pop quiz at any time.

Choker has yet to answer my basic inquiry regarding his failure to take any steps in properly registering his software title, Turbo Traffic Trader.

As you are aware I am very curious why Choker has failed to bring a legal action against the developers of cjoverkill.

All the posturing on an internet web board do not sole the fundamental defects of his insistence that somehow I am in the wrong for using his competitors trade program.

If we all can concede for a moment that within the world of software development, there is always a continuing effort for one company to build a better mouse trap.

Come on choker, this again has been going on since march with you and cjoverkill. But again as I see it, legally you don't have a leg to stand on.

My guess is you may or may not have approached an attorney. He/She probably listen to your story about how you believe some programmer stole your program.

That attorney most likely gave you a wake up call, regarding your responsibilities and obligations under the law, before you can begin crying foul.

Adding insult to injury you may well have been told it would cost you $5000 -$10,000 or more in a retainer to get the any type action rolling. The first hurdle to overcome is the playing catch-up in getting your documentation in order.

Aside from your rhetoric and chest thumping, you don't seem to be able to produce one bit of legally filed documentation that even gives you rights to address this issue with me, the end-user of your competitors product.

Here is some information that might be of interest to anyone following this matter.

http://support.simplemachines.org/co...?threadid=1766

Berkla v. Corel Corporation, 2002 C09 946 (USCA9, 2002) Decision Date May 9, 2002

Dispatch Automation, Inc., Plaintiff-Appellant,
v.
Anthony B. Richards and Patricia Richards, Defendants-Appellees.

No. 01-2273

In the United States Court of Appeals For the Seventh Circuit

Of course. But the ones that do don't seem to be able to admit when they are wrong and don't seem to realize that no amount of bitching and drama will make them right.

WendyB, this is about ethics not law. The fact that you don't realize this says alot about you.

Hey Choker Sweetie,
Take this for what it is worth :) She is a fucking bitching NOBODY who is taking up your time. I wouldnt give her the time of day. I am sure other site owners has seen her name and sites enough that they would pull any trades with her due to her out and out will to cheat somebody. Let her stay banned. I would bet he is stealing more traffic from her than she knows, so in the line of checks and balances she will get what she deserves. I think you have been MORE than fair here, and I think it is totally stupid for you to have to defend your stance over and over. Let the bitch fade. She has hurt herself very much with her dumbass devotion to defend her ignorant battle to keep the stolen script in place.

Wake the fuck up bitch - you've taken some bad acid :eek7

Defend himself! Of course he (Choker) has to defend himself. Anytime you come after me and refer to me as a thief, you better believe he has to defend himself.

Mind you, this is a man who should have properly and legally addressed his concerns and claims to the developer of CJOverkill.

Choker missed that window of opportunity. His oversight and or pure procrastination is not my fault.

I seem to have to remind you that I am an END-USER, and any issue choker has with the cjoverkill software should be presented to that company.

You are of course entitled to your opinion.

Since you raised the question and or suggestion, and brings us to an arena, I have purposely stayed out of as a matter of courtesy to choker.

Currently choker is on another active thread http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=189615 where he is appealing for site owners to band together, and donate money to a mutually benefiting fund. These funds as chocker proposes would be used to retain legal representation (lawyer) and form some type of unified response to ACACIA litigation.

Seems choker has received one of those letters, and he expects webmasters to step up to the plate, under the guise of this corporative he is attempting to form will help all who send in their money.

Thank you Tropical for reminding me, this is not the man I want to send my money to. Has choker gone absolutely nuts?

Whets he looking to do, raise some bucks in a legal defense fund so he can divert some of those dollars to do legal battle with cjoverkill developers?

Listen up choker! I will be the first to admit, you have come up with some interesting ideas in the past. Considering your need to play catch-up with registrations for TTT, which you should have done months ago, it might be best if you reassess your fundraising efforts.

While I feel his approach to battling ACACIA, is a step in the right direction, he may want to seek legal counsel prior to accepting the first dollar. I for one would not consider sending you any money, due in large part of you abysmal failure in dealing with CJoverkill directly, back when you had a chance.

Serious business choker... This is a far cry from the squabble between you and CJOVERKILL.

Things get a little tricky when you go pubic to raise money. There will be a tremendous amount of registrations, documentation and record keeping depending on the initial formation you choose.

Make the wrong move on soliciting money for your anticipated legal problems, and you are sure to end up with much bigger ones. Then at the end of the day, it all comes down to your brewing battle with ACACIA is your individual battle, and would be of little or no advantage to the average webmaster tossing his hundred bucks into the pot.

Hey, but why worry?

According to you, i don't know what I am talking about.

I think your cheese slid right off your cracker,

few fries short of a happy meal,

not quite the sharpest knife in the drawer,

the lights are on ,, but no ones home,

ect ect

gets some help, your a bit delusional.

Come on, you can do better than this.
Dig deep in your repertoire of mediocrity, for your best adlibs.
Am I the only one who's ears perk up when choker is running around collecting donations.
Is this what he means by his next big thing?
LOL Once a carnival huckster, always a carnival huckster.

This thread needs to be locked. We all know it's a stolen script and the reason nothing has been done is because the programmer lives in Spain and hosts on his isp account.

EXACTLY!! - shame wendypee cant get that thru her tripped out skull

and well said Tropical Babes - the bitch is a fruitcake

:ak47: Wendyb

Are you suggesting we take the law and toss it out the window?

Wouldn't it be more unethical to resolve alleged software piracy without the benefit of the law.
Unfortunately choker chose to not protect his software, nor has he sought a legal ruling in regards to the Traffic Trader Pro and CJOverkill trade software.

This feels like one of those horror flicks where the evil thing is killed several times,, but the bitch just wont DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

DIE BITCH DIE!!!!!!!!!!


:ak47: wendypeebrain

Geeze. Imagine a civil defendant, an ocean away. But then what is there to gain. At least getting a default judgment would be something.

At that point he could say to the world, I have a judgment filed in Orange County"

This whole deal between between those two developers is murky at best.

Poor software product registrations and missed opportunities for both of those guys.

Fighting the battle for choker and setting up his business affairs properly would be too much of a burden.

So if he can't get at the developer, are you suggesting it is ok to come after me, the end user of his competitors software.

Where is the logic in that?

Just curious. Are you directing that someone should kill me or that the thread has gone way over your head?

or both?

Are you serious?
was that an order?
Is it because I'm Jewish?