I cannot even believe you're apologizing...it was a pleasure dancing near you. I was tempted to lick your lipstick off of aly...but I figured I'd get hit with a barstool.:winkwink:

All in all I think the night at gotham hall was the best...although I'm still uncertain of Eric's sexual orientation, but he can dry hump my leg anytime.

In short you're welcome in whatever circle I can muster ANYTIME. As long as you promise to revoke your "Won't happen again" statement.

Well we know it's not Turds hairs on the brush ;)

It's fair to say that I'm not a kid lover, Aaron...other than my own.

And, I would never ever take a child to a five star restaurant until they're old enough to sit still for three hours.

I figure mine will be ready when he's 25. LOL

Interesting but I was always under the impression that at least 90% of the people in this biz were just assclown fuckups so it doesn't seem like much of a surprise to me.

I skip shows and read about all the stuff that goes on every time theres another show and it's the same thing. Like I said this biz is full of fuckups and it's no real surprise that when you bring fuckups together that they fuck shit up. Keep it simple, beat their ass, throw them out or have them arrested and move on.

:thumbsup

Aaron, you take yourself entirely to seriously. If I remember correctly I called you a kid hater to your face. I would never dream of saying anything behind your back that I wouldn't say to your face. I was joking and I think you know it. I think I have the balls to say whatever I feel like to you.

You want to be the center of attention and this is a lame way to do it. If you have a problem with me - call me don't post it on a board. Step up and address the problem if you really think there is one.

Of course there isn't a playland area at El Gaucho. It isn't a McDonalds. On the other hand they have a kids menu and bend over backwards to accomadate kids. We go there all the time. They know me really well. I didn't think of it as a big deal.

Honestly I take my kids to great restaurans all the time. I like eating out and I love spending time with my family. I never thought of El Gaucho as somehow to high class for my kids. I would never think twice about taking them there. I think the management there agrees with me.

If you don't want to hang with me I can deal with that - but do me a favor and don't tell me where I can and can't take my kids.

A few industry friends and I have a inside joke about one marketing person in our industry. He's changed jobs so often that no one can keep track, and every time we see him at shows he's too fucked up to remember who he's working for. I find this horrible, but rather funny at the same time.

The problem with this industry is that not everyone is a professional. I've seen twenty-one year olds making $200k a year; They don't give a shit about what people think about them at a party at 3AM. Then there are other people who are just begging to get their foot in the door...... At the very same time you have people who have so much money they don't give a rats ass about anything.

As this industry grows up, the people that are here to stay will remain. The people who are constantly fucked up and doing God knows what will be out of jobs.

I could be wrong on this but i dont think it was so much the dining there that is the problem as much as it is the people who were there. I know i cant speak for others and i wasnt there but i'm pretty sure it wouldnt have been a good place for kids to have been around at at that time (at the same table as all these porn ppl talking about porn and everything else)

Was it an industry dinner comprised mostly of industry people? Obviously it doesn't bother you any, but talking shop around a couple of kids doesn't exactly thrill me. In fact, I would feel very uncomfortable and question the judgment of the "responsible" parent.

well said :thumbsup

I thought of it more of an informal dinner with friends. I wasn't thinking of it as a "porn"party. Most of us have other things to talk about besides porn. Other people I work with were going and my kids are around them all the time. We have fun together. My bad.

I have only a few personal pet-peeves for business-related functions I've attended in the past:

- No kids.
There are too many reasons why no kids. This is business... children are usually a distraction that is unnessessary. Toddlers & infants particularly do not belong at business functions. Get a freaking babysitter, and take the kids out on a non-business night. Honestly, the last thing I would do, if I had kids, would be to have them anywhere NEAR anyone from the adult industry during any sort of show or convention. One visit to the FUBAR website should be enough reason.

- Cellphones:
Especially when there is a speaker or presentation of any kind, turn your damned cell phone OFF. Few things are more annoying than some idiot's cell ringing during a seminar.


Carry on.

This is why i dont go to the shows, webaccess in Feb will be our first. Why there is a need to get trashed what are people 18? Also having any illegal drugs at a hotel is fucking crazy. In Atlanta if they find drugs they will arrest us all.

It was a dinner for Why, who was supposed to be coming in from Texas. We also had people drive down from Canada and people drive up from Portland.

All of us are in the adult industry. Most of the evening was spent discussing various aspects of porn.

While my son knew about what I did from the time he was 14, I was never comfortable talking industry talk in front of him, nor was he keen on hearing his mother utter words like 'blow job', 'cock', and other descriptive phrases.

Ian was more than welcome to come. I voted 'no' on bringing children to an adult dinner. My kid is grown. I'm ready to have dinner without children.

Nothing personal.

That is a whole other affair. If you plan on sitting with a more close-knit group, and you are sure that everyone in that group is fine and compfy with having your kids present, then far be it for anyone to crap on that. Those that were uncomfortable could sit at some other table, yes?

all that little Ian/WHY does is talk shit behind peoples backs are you kidding. Infact every chance little ian had to talk shit behind a anon he did. but now I know who it is. LOL.

Don't know the beef between you and Pornkings Ian but you know how we are and we don't talk shit behind anybodies back.

the last thing we are is Pussy's at Pornkings.

Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable discussing things like "hahahaha" and "blowjob" at El Gaucho. It is a nice place after all.

Raven - you were at our company holiday party last year. My kids as well as a lot of others were there. Did they make you feel uncomfortable?

Aaron, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I had a sales person complain to me about people being so fucked up on drugs and booze that they did not remember "deals" discussed the prior night. Then it happened to me.

This is why many professional players no longer go to shows. Or just go to the big Vegas show. I also feel the format of some of the shows are to blame. The LA show reaked of party, little biz from the start. Lens is known flor throwing parties for the kids of the biz. It was promoted that way IMHO. That is why did not send a person.

Unfortunately, I have learned that there are too many idiots in this biz, and things will not change. You are better off staying at home from most of these "conventions" and traveling to see clients on a more personal basis.

You're right. It WAS an informal dinner.

Even still, most of what we talked about was related to our business.

Nothing personal against you or your children.

My opinion stands. I think there's a time and a place for children; and, in my opinion, that night was not appropriate for children.

I would have been uncomfortable, had your kids been there.

That's why I pin my business cards to my shirt....DUH.

You're right...But you did it with a laugh as if it was a joke. It clearly was not. You fell short in the balls department when you tried to play it off to my face but took a different stance with others.

As for me taking myself entirely too seriously and this being a joke....I find it strange that multiple people thought enough about it to bring it to my attention. If it was a joke and no big deal then why in the hell did you feel the need to discuss it with several people?

I personally do take it seriously. And as you can see, I have no problem whatsoever bringing your attention to it.

You posted on Oprano and then talked shit about me at an industry event. Call you? WTF is that? You took it to the boards originally.

I also had a problem with the ass that you made of yourself in Phoenix. Would you like me to call you about that too? Just because the average person in this business is afraid to post or say anything bad about the almighty Ian does not mean that I am. I like your company, and I even like you...I just don't like you damaging my rep because I had the common sense to not allow children to an adult gathering.

For the record...I get all the attention I want and them some as is. You are pissed that I am bringing this attention to you NOT because it is of the attention it is bring to me. Deal with it. Maybe next time you will think twice before you act like a child.

"Adult webmaster private dinner." Read that carefully. Lets also note that there was a specific RSVP timeframe and when your initial RSVP was done, no kids were included. The reservations were booked and after all that I went through to get them done, I was not about to change them for anybody. Not God, not you, and certainly not for kids. Hello? ADULT WEBMASTERS. Run a search about children at adult events then come back here and spew that bullshit some more.

Take your kids anyplace you want...Just not to private ADULT dinner parties that I am kind enough to invite you to.

Raven-

This is becoming something it shouldn't be. I wasn't upset about being told not to go. I was joking about calling Aaron a "kid hater." Maybe it was a stupid joke. I never thought his feellings would be hurt and this would upset him so much.

NO BIG DEAL!

Funny thing is I am meeting a biz associate there for dinner tonight. I will ask them if it is an appropriate place for kids or not. :)

Hard drugs is for loosers.
Just don't do business with them.

You were kind enough to invite me. I asked you if kids were cool. You said no. I was joking about being a kid hater.

Why blow this into something it never should have been.

Call me if you have issues.

I'm glad I was nice & boring and 15 years sober Monday morning.

Well my 2 cents on the subject is this....

There are many companies in this industry that purposefully hire people that are wild and crazy. The reason for this is because they go to shows and raise eyebrows, they push the envelope. And when webmasters get back from the shows and tell other webmasters what happened at the show they say so and so did this and so and so did that. Then they remember who that wild and crazy person worked for. You know the old saying no advertising is bad advertising. I mean these wild people don't go to seminars or even work their companies booths they just get FUCKED up.

Is this right? Well no and yes... It creates a big problem to poor coordinators like Kayla and Kimmy. But at the same time this creates BUSINESS for other companies that get exposure from these people's antics.

Now I think at Internext and larger shows people CAN get away with this. But at smaller shows (ie. Caracao) you CANNOT get away with this. Fuck man, if you were a jackass in Curacao you better have started looking in the want ads before you came back as you would not have a job when you got back and you would be blackballed from the industry.

Personally I am getting tired of going to shows and seeing the same people getting wild and crazy and acting like fucking children. I am all in favor for having some drinks or even a few joints but dammit we are adults and should behave like it.

We get enough heat for being in the adult industry as it is, we should put our best foot forward to prove ourselves as professionals not children.

DH

P.S. I completely agree with Aaron about not allowing that guy to bring his kids. First of all this is a business dinner, do you think Bill Gates brings his kids to his business dinners? Seconds of all our business is of an adult nature, do you want your kids to hear us talking about cumshots and anal? Common man!

Thanks for the support Brad. I would like to say this though:

The LA Webmaster Access show was great. I got a lot of business done and the parties were nice...I particularly loved Gotham Hall.

I would not hesitate to go to another one of these shows.

Congrats on that.

I myself will be 22 years drinking come this Febuary. :thumbsup

Oh geez, someone else brought their kids to a porn convention. This business never ceases to amaze me.

Ian.....I never told you not to go. What I specifically said was that there was no room for anybody else. You chose to take it as a kid thing. I would not be upset about this at all if you had not brought this up with others as if it were an issue.

Read the log between Carol and I. I was quite specific that I needed a 100% accurate headcount. The fact that they were children was not the driving factor in the decision but at the same time, it would not have been appropriate for them to be there.

Session Start (AIM - AMPContent:Tynidncr): Fri Nov 07 11:47:20 2003
[11:47] Tynidncr: yes I am aware - is it cool that I bring Ian?
[11:48] AMPContent: Yep. Tell me 100% for sure now though so I can include him in the res
[11:48] Tynidncr: he is going with me yes I already asked him
[11:48] AMPContent: ok
[11:48] AMPContent: Did little Ian used to work for you?
[11:49] Tynidncr: yep
[11:49] AMPContent: Do the two Ians get along? This dinner is primarily a thing for Little Ian and I don't want any issues.
[11:50] Tynidncr: oh they havent got any issues
[11:50] Tynidncr: never have
[11:50] AMPContent: ok...it's all good then
Session Close (Tynidncr): Fri Nov 07 11:59:56 2003

Brad read the whole thread.

150 niggas

Some people do not get it. Someone should call CPS one day.

They feel they are entitled to be parents. IMHO to even have a child around where this biz is talked about is not wise. But to take a child to a porn convention, or a dinner where people are in town for a porn convention knowing porn would be discussed is utterly disgusting.

What he said. :thumbsup

Brad...I fully agree with this. Ian did not bring his kids to a porn convention though. He was asking to bring them to a dinner gathering that was filled with pornogrphers. Still not appropriate but far from bringing them to a convention.

you haven't said that before? huh..

:glugglug

Aaron thanks for getting my back on this one :thumbsup

I am sorry for saying what I said.

Now can I please come to your next party?

5 star resturatns are not the place for kids, unless they are exceptionally well behaved children and are taught how to act by the parents. Pretty rare for the most part, However.....

The issues that I have with kids in a restruant is that most parents arent watching the kids, they have this idea that children that act badly are funny or cute. If you say anything to these children then the parents get their attitudes out......

I am sure there are parents out there (myself included) that DO watch the kids. When my step daughter got loud and nuts at even McDonalds as a kid, me or her mom would take her immediately out of the place and into the truck. This is out of respect to others space.

Who really wants to hear a 5 year old whine?????......I dont and I know most of you dont.

The issue here is that most parents as a whole need need to wake the fuck up to other peoples personal space and rules such as:

1. Dont bring your kids to dinner for a business meeting, you arent focusing on the business, your getting timmy fries or whatever.

2. Your kids arent cute or funny. You wouldnt think mine are either, hence my getting a babysitter and allowing us to have an ADULT meal.

3. If you cant afford a babysitter why are you eating at somewhere other than home anyway?

Think more of others and their needs than your own. We'd all be in a better place if that was a reality.

Brad...

I've seen children in Vegas. Children brought by their webmaster parents.

I think it's wrong. I don't care if you bring a nanny with you. Vegas is not a place for children.

My own son is going to be twenty. I've invited him and HE'S refused because the drinking age is twenty one and he doesn't want the hassle of trying to get away with it.

Next year will be a different story.

But, young kids and young teenagers? No. Not to dinner nor to conventions.

Word.

There was a certain someone I was going to hire, but not now and he is not allowed to attend another webmaster access, there are a couple of others that are going to be blacklisted for damage to the hotel's public areas.

I don't know what was allegedly said behind backs. and don't think kids should be at our conventions. i'm also not sure why when roger posted something, you took a swing at ian.

but i want to make it clear for all the lurkers reading this thread - - that i was the one that told Ian kids would be fine.

as it was a friendly get together. billboarded as such by aaron.

i expected us to be on decent behaviour since it is a nice restaraunt. and yeh, the conversation did turn to shop talk.

but had there been small children in the room (it was a private room) we all could have modified our vocabularly. Also, since the room and table was soo big, it was hard to hear conversations from anybody sitting more than 2 people away.

I still think it would have been fine to have wives/kids/girlfriends/etc there. I don't know how it is everywhere else but In seattle - people take their families - to even 5 star places. And the places are greatful to have the business.

some of the others just wanted industry people... that's cool ...I can roll with that too.

I hope you all bury this hatchet pretty soon... as it didn't seem like a big deal at the time to any of the parties....