It must be hard flipping between nicks while you're struggling for something to say, HUN.

Well for one thing, its pointless to rag on corvette because he is a relay man and you aren't going to get any answers you like.

This is essentially the same thing as the old-school CCBill cookie shaving method.

I'd say hell, let the sponsors disable the cookie if they want, so long as these settings and this information is disclosed to affiliates and accurate.

that option has been in there for several years

What exactly is wrong with that? I'll explain it to you in easier terms as it's obvious you're not too bright.

Say you're pushing a program run by ccBill and you get caught signing up multiple times with stolen credit cards, so ccBill suspends your account.
Now say you have a gallery listed on a TGP from a few months ago that still gets a few hundred hits a day. If someone clicks through to the affiliate program you cheated, instead of going to a page saying "This affiliate is cheating scum", they'll be brought to the website, but the sale won't be tracked as yours.

Where am I not making sense?

Would you like to quote English to me hun? I may live in Spain but that is only because the sun shines here more than it does in the UK - which is where I was born and have lived for the last 25yrs.........

Get a job for yourself and stop the cocksucking......

Id say, hell, lets just drop CCBill

Dude... you obviously have no business sense.
Posts like yours reflect very badly on the programs you run.
I'd suggest you keep posts like this under your aliases.

Is that your answer ? You have no responsabilities towards how a sponsor is doing business with it's affiliate, and how he uses your options ? Because essentially, this is what you have just written. You leave all the responsability to us webmasters, to take a smart guess on our stats and numbers, if a sponsor or a third party processor is honest or not.

How can this be when the stats aren't 100% transparent ? Then it is truly a guess to be made...

I will wait to see your transparency surfaces in my CCbill account. Wait and see.

I'd say "Are you really that desperate for a new digital camera?"

Not that she doesn't have a job, and you probablly don't understand who you are even speaking with, but the majority of vetrans posting here that are large supporters of fraud on this level are renowned, bought and paid for dick suckers.

really don't think it should have been put in until it was in the affiliate system.

I would think about taking in out until it is in the affiliate system.

just my:2 cents:

Or maybe ccbill didn't think someone would post the page.
I know there was a post about it a few days ago, but now ?

sure doesn't look good at all

I don't see why they would/should be responsible for a sponsor's actions.

I can't say for sure, but I have a good feeling that if a program was using this feature to "shave" affiliates and did not disclose this in their terms, they'd be asked to disclose it or find a new IPSP.

Thanks for the adivce... but I dont post here to gain webmasters.. I post here to keep the GFY crowd away from my programs to be honest... we prefer to attract webmasters that joined boards in the year 2000 and before......... they are normally so much more intelligent.

That's just one possible scenario.

Another much more likely scenario is that a sponsor wants to shave, so he suspends your account, even though your traffic is fine and no fraud is occurring. In this scenario, the affiliate is not notified that he will recieve no credit for his traffic, but all the clickthrus are being sent to the sponsor site. And the sponsor keeps ALL the money from any referrals during the period of "suspension". If this were not intended to make it easier for sponsors to shave, then affiliates would be notified when their accounts were suspended.

yep old news, try searching to find the original thread.

If you're not here to attract webmasters then why link to your programs in your sig?

And what does registration date have to do with anything?

You're a funny man.

Nice there, hun, you are quick with the multiple nicks.

It doesn't say the affiliate won't be notified of the suspension. It says the surfer won't be notified of the suspension.

No, it was left out deliberately.

Would have been easy to display it read-only in the affiliate admin...

If CCBill wanted affiliates to have this info it would be in there. Really, avoiding CCBill sponsors is making more and more sense.

This, i did saw...by the way.

Kim, what multiple nics do I have... ?

If I wanted to be wquick I have 4 PCs sitting here that we use for mailing out AE mailings.. If I wanted to use multiptiple nics then I could post them all at same time....

And as far as the AD2000 - I just meant that webmasters that have been around for more than 3-4yrs have a little bit more tissues between their brain cells.....

Also, you forgot to mention that the client also has the option of not redirecting, or of warning before redirecting.

You tell me, you are the one talking about 2k and yet you have 18 posts.

Keep in mind that GFY opened in 2001. Just because someone registered here in 2003 doesn't mean they haven't been around longer.

Take me for example: I registered in 2002, but I've been in this business since 1997.

This is a crock of shit.

I haven't even looked at that option and have never used it. Nobody in their right mind would secretly use that option without telling the affiliates first. If you don't want to pay an affiliate for 10 years of rebills, maybe you want to set it to max out at 3 years. As long as you tell the affiliates, it's cool.

If you don't want to use sponsors that use ccbill then don't...But I know that won't happen because Ccbill is the PREMIUM biller when an affiliate is looking for a sponsor. And having ccbill on your site and being visa registered gives the affiliate a better sense of stabiliity for that sponsor.

If I was an affiliate, I'd trust a visa registered ccbill sponsor over a Verotel/probilling/Ibill sponsor anytime. Having ccbill means that you as a sponsor have your shit together and know how to handle business...

This thread is bullshit

Take me for example, banned 6 times and started in '95 with lynx on the freenet.

Well it's got me thinking, that's for sure

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Who do you think has more to lose if these dinks don't use sponsors using ccBill? The dinks or ccBill?

I don't know about bullshit. :Graucho

What exaclty is the earth shattering shaving consequence you speak of? 10 years in the man-jail?

Kim, relax.... I was referring to webmasters that have been on the scene for a long time, not to those registered on GFY boards....

I hardly ever come on to GFY becuase of the bitching arguments that always follow, its really a big waste of time...

Boards I check daily are my own at aeforums, ohers I check weekly are ARS and a couple of others...

To be honest, I was surprised to see your comments here in such a negative phrase, I assumed you were still with Brad, SIC etc etc... now I have caught up with the goings on,l then Ill just shut my mouth....


I dont need shit from the GFY boards, nor do I need mindless webmasters...

I brought this to the GFY boards as I thought it was of interest to the users... In future I will keep my comments to my own boards or the ARS boards, where educated webmasters hang out.....

Well this dink might walk, wouldn't hurt be a bit. Sponsors are dime a doz. I had no ideal ccbill had this option

http://www.uncf.org/

Corvett, the only thing I can say is that I now try to steer away from sponsor programs that use ccbill on a revshare basis. I have some of the worst conversion ratios with them. When I can convert at between 1:25 and 1:100 on other programs using avs, linklist, tgps and ses, and cant even get under 1:900 with ccbill revshare programs. Then it says to me that something is wrong. Maybe its not ccbills issue, maybe its the sponsors sites.

Looking at my own stats for the year I have 18 initials and only 1 rebill in 12 months on 23k hits, dam if my own paysites converted that bad to rebill id close the bastards down. You cant make money from that. And the only thing that I see from it is that some sponsors are using that option and its why our initials dont convert as often as they should be.

Pay per signup sponsors are closing affilaites accounts down for having bad retention rates like that.

Also the use of cookies is far outdated for tracking signups, most surfers nowadays would have cookies disabled. ccbill should be telling sponsors to setup their own tracking and just send the affiliates ids through.

faz

Ibill you got to love them :thumbsup I sure do :)

To be honest, I'm surprised you'd try to pull that line out of your hat, hun, since you know better.

And yes, it would be wise to just shut your mouth.

Kim, I dont understand why your being so shitty with me as you have never spoken with me before...

If you care to talk then hit me up at and of the contacts on AE, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, AOL etc... at adultearners.com/contact.php

...but lay off the board slaggin for no reason..... ???

No, I won't do any of the above. You've basically come here, tried to make a case against a processor for something they had no intention of doing and you've stated your willingness to act outside the terms of another program today as well. And you have how many posts?

classic ... must tell the #1 affilate over at ars with over 100 sales per day and his 3 posts he's ever made on q board.


posts = knowledge
:)

Goobye CCbill for me

Kim, I dont know what your saying... I have made no accusations, other than to say that CCBill is providing merchant account holders with a clear way to defruad webmasters who have signed up to 50/50 for life programs etc etc etc...

And they have provided this facility for a long time when if what they is saying is true, to cover their own backs they should have provided the same facilities to webmasters to see the truth about the program thjey have been promoting....

They are going to provide it now... lol.. great, but if they were worth shit then it would have been available and made PUBLIC at the same time as it was introduced... but maybe that single fact makes my first post on this thread worth while.... ?

And Ive even tried to make friends with you, but to no avail... so just keep on doing whatever your doing and best of luck to you hun....

Ah classic GFY... say anyone who got into the business after 2000 is an idiot n00b, then turn around and say CCBill provides merchant accounts to webmasters. :thumbsup

all this shave shave shave shave shave shit...


so start your own program? duuu


i'm realy getting sick of you fucking 2 bit whinners attempting to slam legitimate companies...


guess what - maybe your traffic sucks

Who the fuck are you replying too ???

I have worked online for over 6 yrs...

Used Ibill before CCbill, Verotel and others were even thought about...

I have my own programs thank you... and not once have I ever been accused of shaving... even in the days when we were 100% Ibill - and even know that we use our own merchant accounts to process inhouse....

Go get a fucking job at MacDonalds asswipe......

i guess this option makes it easier for programs to fuck affiliates over. however as i recall corvette said that affiliates would be notified if a certian program decided to end rebills after x amounts of months, so i don't really see what the problem is with that. mpa2 has a shave option too, i guess everyone got bored of bitching about that one lol.

I know he has a 16% charge back ratio with siccash.com. So maybe his traffic does suck.

#1 - this isn't a union - anyone who brags that they are superior cause they've been online longer IS A LOOOOOOSER. PERIOD.

whenever someone says that it's like seeing a BECON over their head that's flashing the words "BEWARE - I'm an Idiot!"

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