And that's why i asked that question to Corvet: Where do you set an acceptable conduct of that option ? What does CCbill do to insure the honesty on how that option is used ?

If this option is set for payment structure, then swell, but like it is, it can serve another purpose. Does CCbill is so incline to become complice of a behavior that can lead to fraud possibilities ? Does CCbill care about the behavior of sponsors and what impact it could have on their own reputation ?

I do not see an answer, and i am not sure i will see one.

I wouldn't trust anyone in this "business", no matter how hard they tried to suck my dick or how good their relationship is with VISA.

here are my thoughts?

affiliates should have at least a minimal level of trust with regards to the program(s) that they have decided to begin and maintain a business relationship with.

If you don?t trust a program, don?t send any traffic to it

This is a business, look at the results that you get with various programs and draw your conclusions from them. If you have a sponsor that is sending you checks for rebills from sales that were sent 2 years ago, don?t forget that. There are many programs out there that have excellent reputations for taking care of their referrers?it?s a symbiosis; I know some affiliates that are very well off of from promoting certain programs.

In this close-knit industry, reputation is paramount and the businesses that plan to be here for the long term realize that

This was a feature that was seldom used and the decision was made to make ALL of the accounts options transparent to the programs partner?so, soon it will be a mute issue

Do you even understand this feature? Do you understand what you just posted? Read it over again.

Nope, not only are they clueless, they fail to understand that their agreement is with their sponsor, not their sponsor's processor.

And as my attorney loves to say... there is a distinction there.

Check this excerpt out...

"Redirected Suspended - When consumers click a banner for a suspended Affiliate account, they will be redirected to the CCBill client's website. They will not be warned that the Affiliate site is invalid."

Direct link:
http://ccbillhelp.ccbill.com/content...stat_affil.htm


WOW. Shaving made easy by CCBill.

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KimmyKim... They provide their shave option, then say they are going to make it available to affiliates months afterwards...

If it wasnt a shave option for sponsors then why was it not implemented for webmasters and affiliates at the same time as it was provided for merchant account holders ??

Perhaps you should get back to what you do best hun.......

You don't much read in English do you?

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It must be hard flipping between nicks while you're struggling for something to say, HUN.

Well for one thing, its pointless to rag on corvette because he is a relay man and you aren't going to get any answers you like.

This is essentially the same thing as the old-school CCBill cookie shaving method.

I'd say hell, let the sponsors disable the cookie if they want, so long as these settings and this information is disclosed to affiliates and accurate.

that option has been in there for several years

What exactly is wrong with that? I'll explain it to you in easier terms as it's obvious you're not too bright.

Say you're pushing a program run by ccBill and you get caught signing up multiple times with stolen credit cards, so ccBill suspends your account.
Now say you have a gallery listed on a TGP from a few months ago that still gets a few hundred hits a day. If someone clicks through to the affiliate program you cheated, instead of going to a page saying "This affiliate is cheating scum", they'll be brought to the website, but the sale won't be tracked as yours.

Where am I not making sense?

Would you like to quote English to me hun? I may live in Spain but that is only because the sun shines here more than it does in the UK - which is where I was born and have lived for the last 25yrs.........

Get a job for yourself and stop the cocksucking......

Id say, hell, lets just drop CCBill

Dude... you obviously have no business sense.
Posts like yours reflect very badly on the programs you run.
I'd suggest you keep posts like this under your aliases.

Is that your answer ? You have no responsabilities towards how a sponsor is doing business with it's affiliate, and how he uses your options ? Because essentially, this is what you have just written. You leave all the responsability to us webmasters, to take a smart guess on our stats and numbers, if a sponsor or a third party processor is honest or not.

How can this be when the stats aren't 100% transparent ? Then it is truly a guess to be made...

I will wait to see your transparency surfaces in my CCbill account. Wait and see.

I'd say "Are you really that desperate for a new digital camera?"

Not that she doesn't have a job, and you probablly don't understand who you are even speaking with, but the majority of vetrans posting here that are large supporters of fraud on this level are renowned, bought and paid for dick suckers.

really don't think it should have been put in until it was in the affiliate system.

I would think about taking in out until it is in the affiliate system.

just my:2 cents:

Or maybe ccbill didn't think someone would post the page.
I know there was a post about it a few days ago, but now ?

sure doesn't look good at all

I don't see why they would/should be responsible for a sponsor's actions.

I can't say for sure, but I have a good feeling that if a program was using this feature to "shave" affiliates and did not disclose this in their terms, they'd be asked to disclose it or find a new IPSP.

Thanks for the adivce... but I dont post here to gain webmasters.. I post here to keep the GFY crowd away from my programs to be honest... we prefer to attract webmasters that joined boards in the year 2000 and before......... they are normally so much more intelligent.

That's just one possible scenario.

Another much more likely scenario is that a sponsor wants to shave, so he suspends your account, even though your traffic is fine and no fraud is occurring. In this scenario, the affiliate is not notified that he will recieve no credit for his traffic, but all the clickthrus are being sent to the sponsor site. And the sponsor keeps ALL the money from any referrals during the period of "suspension". If this were not intended to make it easier for sponsors to shave, then affiliates would be notified when their accounts were suspended.

yep old news, try searching to find the original thread.

If you're not here to attract webmasters then why link to your programs in your sig?

And what does registration date have to do with anything?

You're a funny man.

Nice there, hun, you are quick with the multiple nicks.

It doesn't say the affiliate won't be notified of the suspension. It says the surfer won't be notified of the suspension.

No, it was left out deliberately.

Would have been easy to display it read-only in the affiliate admin...

If CCBill wanted affiliates to have this info it would be in there. Really, avoiding CCBill sponsors is making more and more sense.

This, i did saw...by the way.

Kim, what multiple nics do I have... ?

If I wanted to be wquick I have 4 PCs sitting here that we use for mailing out AE mailings.. If I wanted to use multiptiple nics then I could post them all at same time....

And as far as the AD2000 - I just meant that webmasters that have been around for more than 3-4yrs have a little bit more tissues between their brain cells.....

Also, you forgot to mention that the client also has the option of not redirecting, or of warning before redirecting.

You tell me, you are the one talking about 2k and yet you have 18 posts.

Keep in mind that GFY opened in 2001. Just because someone registered here in 2003 doesn't mean they haven't been around longer.

Take me for example: I registered in 2002, but I've been in this business since 1997.

This is a crock of shit.

I haven't even looked at that option and have never used it. Nobody in their right mind would secretly use that option without telling the affiliates first. If you don't want to pay an affiliate for 10 years of rebills, maybe you want to set it to max out at 3 years. As long as you tell the affiliates, it's cool.

If you don't want to use sponsors that use ccbill then don't...But I know that won't happen because Ccbill is the PREMIUM biller when an affiliate is looking for a sponsor. And having ccbill on your site and being visa registered gives the affiliate a better sense of stabiliity for that sponsor.

If I was an affiliate, I'd trust a visa registered ccbill sponsor over a Verotel/probilling/Ibill sponsor anytime. Having ccbill means that you as a sponsor have your shit together and know how to handle business...

This thread is bullshit

Take me for example, banned 6 times and started in '95 with lynx on the freenet.

Well it's got me thinking, that's for sure

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Who do you think has more to lose if these dinks don't use sponsors using ccBill? The dinks or ccBill?

I don't know about bullshit. :Graucho