What exaclty is the earth shattering shaving consequence you speak of? 10 years in the man-jail?

Kim, relax.... I was referring to webmasters that have been on the scene for a long time, not to those registered on GFY boards....

I hardly ever come on to GFY becuase of the bitching arguments that always follow, its really a big waste of time...

Boards I check daily are my own at aeforums, ohers I check weekly are ARS and a couple of others...

To be honest, I was surprised to see your comments here in such a negative phrase, I assumed you were still with Brad, SIC etc etc... now I have caught up with the goings on,l then Ill just shut my mouth....


I dont need shit from the GFY boards, nor do I need mindless webmasters...

I brought this to the GFY boards as I thought it was of interest to the users... In future I will keep my comments to my own boards or the ARS boards, where educated webmasters hang out.....

Well this dink might walk, wouldn't hurt be a bit. Sponsors are dime a doz. I had no ideal ccbill had this option

http://www.uncf.org/

Corvett, the only thing I can say is that I now try to steer away from sponsor programs that use ccbill on a revshare basis. I have some of the worst conversion ratios with them. When I can convert at between 1:25 and 1:100 on other programs using avs, linklist, tgps and ses, and cant even get under 1:900 with ccbill revshare programs. Then it says to me that something is wrong. Maybe its not ccbills issue, maybe its the sponsors sites.

Looking at my own stats for the year I have 18 initials and only 1 rebill in 12 months on 23k hits, dam if my own paysites converted that bad to rebill id close the bastards down. You cant make money from that. And the only thing that I see from it is that some sponsors are using that option and its why our initials dont convert as often as they should be.

Pay per signup sponsors are closing affilaites accounts down for having bad retention rates like that.

Also the use of cookies is far outdated for tracking signups, most surfers nowadays would have cookies disabled. ccbill should be telling sponsors to setup their own tracking and just send the affiliates ids through.

faz

Ibill you got to love them :thumbsup I sure do :)

To be honest, I'm surprised you'd try to pull that line out of your hat, hun, since you know better.

And yes, it would be wise to just shut your mouth.

Kim, I dont understand why your being so shitty with me as you have never spoken with me before...

If you care to talk then hit me up at and of the contacts on AE, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, AOL etc... at adultearners.com/contact.php

...but lay off the board slaggin for no reason..... ???

No, I won't do any of the above. You've basically come here, tried to make a case against a processor for something they had no intention of doing and you've stated your willingness to act outside the terms of another program today as well. And you have how many posts?

classic ... must tell the #1 affilate over at ars with over 100 sales per day and his 3 posts he's ever made on q board.


posts = knowledge
:)

Goobye CCbill for me

Kim, I dont know what your saying... I have made no accusations, other than to say that CCBill is providing merchant account holders with a clear way to defruad webmasters who have signed up to 50/50 for life programs etc etc etc...

And they have provided this facility for a long time when if what they is saying is true, to cover their own backs they should have provided the same facilities to webmasters to see the truth about the program thjey have been promoting....

They are going to provide it now... lol.. great, but if they were worth shit then it would have been available and made PUBLIC at the same time as it was introduced... but maybe that single fact makes my first post on this thread worth while.... ?

And Ive even tried to make friends with you, but to no avail... so just keep on doing whatever your doing and best of luck to you hun....

Ah classic GFY... say anyone who got into the business after 2000 is an idiot n00b, then turn around and say CCBill provides merchant accounts to webmasters. :thumbsup

all this shave shave shave shave shave shit...


so start your own program? duuu


i'm realy getting sick of you fucking 2 bit whinners attempting to slam legitimate companies...


guess what - maybe your traffic sucks

Who the fuck are you replying too ???

I have worked online for over 6 yrs...

Used Ibill before CCbill, Verotel and others were even thought about...

I have my own programs thank you... and not once have I ever been accused of shaving... even in the days when we were 100% Ibill - and even know that we use our own merchant accounts to process inhouse....

Go get a fucking job at MacDonalds asswipe......

i guess this option makes it easier for programs to fuck affiliates over. however as i recall corvette said that affiliates would be notified if a certian program decided to end rebills after x amounts of months, so i don't really see what the problem is with that. mpa2 has a shave option too, i guess everyone got bored of bitching about that one lol.

I know he has a 16% charge back ratio with siccash.com. So maybe his traffic does suck.

#1 - this isn't a union - anyone who brags that they are superior cause they've been online longer IS A LOOOOOOSER. PERIOD.

whenever someone says that it's like seeing a BECON over their head that's flashing the words "BEWARE - I'm an Idiot!"

100 bad things about ccbill

It's akin to resorting to "Oh yeah, how much cash do you make? I make $X daily!" or the "My dad can whoop your dad" comeback as I like to call it.

damn 50 hounds :1orglaugh

More like 102. Thanks for playing.

looks like they shaved one from you on this post. :1orglaugh

you're a little bit early arent ya :1orglaugh

BINGO

i agree with what you have to say.

lets face it ppl there are more dishonest then honest in this industry so it can be assumed what this "feature" will be used primarily for.

cast your mind back to
PIB cash for example they were assumed to be one of the honest ppl, yeah? HA, everyone needs to get real.

CCbill can take the high road saying they didn't have intentions of this "feature" to be used in a shaving capacity, but thats cold comfort.

No :1orglaugh it's cuz you or someone else deleted a post.

My CCBill sponsors convert the worst too, compared to others that use say Epoch or Jettis or even iBill.

However, by disclosing that info, it's pretty clear they aren't trying to hide something or build-in a FEATURE for the purpose of allowing a sponsor to fraud anyone.

It also seems to me that since the concerns have been brought up, CCBill is looking to make this information available to affiliates. So you will know if a sponsor is only paying rebills for 6 months or 2 years or whatever while advertising "For Life" on their sites. That's obvious enough isn't it, that they are trying to address the affiliate concerns on this too ?

If your affiliate status is suspended, change your links. Stop sending to the sponsor. That one seems simple enough.

One change I would like to see with CCBill is being able to use the same affiliate id with multiple ccbill sponsors. So that if my id is 123, I can use that everywhere instead of having 10 different ones for 10 different ccbill sponsors. Not a huge deal, just a convenience thing.

Its not always traffic being bad as to the reason why webmasters dont convert. At siccash, ars, silvercash, topbucks and nastydollars to name a few I always convert between 1:25 to 1:150. Granted I get the few odd periods where it blows out. But then on other programs its up in the 1:900's and higher.

Some program owners need to look at their own tours before they start saying that a webmasters traffic is the problem.


Are you saying that AdultEarners has a 16% chargeback ratio. Because if you are, you may need to look into your information on that one.

ARS loves the program and the sales it brings in. And it wasnt chargebacks it was retentions and chargebacks. We all get chargebacks every now and then. And Im fairly sure that there wouldnt be a webmaster in this industry that hasnt had a chargeback before.

Ive never figured out how a sponsor program can close someones account because their signups dont rebill. They should look at why their members areas rnt retaining before they close a webmasters account for it.

faz

The reason these features are available is beacause there is a DEMAND for it.

Thats the disturbing part.

fazman - some tours ROCK on some traffic and not others... most people don't understand that and think if it rocks for one place it should rock on the other

Exactly, its not always the traffic thats the problem. Sometimes its just the site the traffic is going to. And sometimes the tour has too much free content/video samples and the surfers are getting their rocks off before they even get to the join page.

faz

From the info i have seen posted PUBLICLY it is a 16% chargeback ratio.

Are you also adding they lost their ARS account too?

no - you missed my point COMPLETELY.

No I was referring to their personal account, not the Adult Earners account.

Lets have a think about it. If I send 10000 gay hits to cruisepatrol and the surfer knows they are going to cruisepatrol then its up to the tour to convert it. The traffic is still gay. If the site is not for them then its not my surfers fault. They just didnt like the tour, or obviously werent turned on enough by it to whip out the cc.

I'll use another example. Cruisepatrol was used because I do convert very well on it. I made 2 sites the same sort of styles I make my sites and promoted gay4cash. The sites were submitted to the exact same places as all my sites are submitted too. But instead of seeing reasonable ratios it blew out to over 1:3000. Its not always the traffic. The sites have to take some of the blame when the traffic doesnt convert. Oops forgot to mention gay4cash is a ccbill sponsor on revshare and with ratios like that I wont be making any more sites for it.

I expect at least fair ratios, anywhere from 1:20 to 1:250 is fair to me. Anything over that and im wasting my time.

faz

Faz

Are you going to be at the Aussie webmaster gathering in Surfers at the end of January?

Yep Steve. AvsCash is one of the sponsors for the function, So I will be there with bells on.

Looking forward to meeting the other aussie webmasters and having some cold ones. If the weather keeps up the way it has been here we are gonna be needing them. :winkwink:

faz

faz, i'm not going to spend 10 hours explaining it - but you STILL don't get it. not even close.

As a ccbill webmaster, I would much prefer this shave feature taken out altogether - I don't need it - I wouldn't ever consider using it.

I have a few webmasters who have made inexcess of $500 for a single click - I have also had webmasters make zero for 1500 clicks -

But as for convertion ratios etc -

Many ccbill webmasters do not offer trials - Conversion ratios do go much higher, but on the other hand, retion does, too -

We have just started doing trials again and now all sites convert very well -

Herein lies another problem - Not the fault of the referring webmaster nor the site traffic is sent to -
Many surfers are simply out there to get as much porn as possible for as little as they can pay - We are now noticing this:
1) Surfer signs up for cheap trial -
2) On receipt of his ccbill acceptance letter - he cancels
3) He then enters the members area.

So for prgramme owners, it becomes one hell of a balancing act trying to work out all the variables and options of which is the best to offer partners - A higher closing % with better retention $$ - Or a lower sign up Probably the same retention $$, but a far inferior retention %
Then there is the X or XX losses of pps - To remain competative, this figure has to be quite high - Makes it very difficult for programmes to compete with extremely high pps - As I do assume surfers paying for trials going to trash plug in sites cancel in the same way as they do when paying for genuine content sites...

Every so often there's a thread on GFY which is so obviously populated by trolls following an agenda to discredit someone or something else.

I see there's a multitude of these morons in this thread.

For all you independant affiliate program owners out there who are claiming CCBill shaves. Here is the difference.

When you shave, you don't tell anyone, and basically get away with it scott free. When a CCBill webmaster shaves using these new options, THE AFFILIATE WILL GET AN EMAIL !!!

Do you understand the difference now morons ?

Even with the old system, if a webmaster stopped paying affiliate dues, the site in question would vanish from the affiliates stats, so even then you knew site 'X' was no longer paying you. This is even better, you get an email.