Perfection those girls are awesome!
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Thanks.... but trust me, you have not seen anything yet. We have always had hot girls.... wait till you see whats coming.

Thanks man!

More, more and then still some more to come.

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doh.. my bad..

but I would have my bets that its all bs anyway... if she is that bright.. why would she be in this mess.. or handle this situation as she did.. sorry I don't buy it.. unless its one of those online fly by night degrees ;)



Joesho...

Brad's not really an asshole.. he is just sharply honest at times. For those who really know him, know that he speaks his mind and opinion whether popular or not... he's just not one to butter coat things... and if you can see past that... you would probably get along fine ;) and I tell you I would much rather have someon like that around than someone who acts like your friend... "borrows" large sums of money .. then dissappears... just ask Wired Guy ;)



thanks for the pics Pjeff.. this thread was a bit dry ;)

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Sounds like you've never met a chick who is book smart, but socially naive. A couple of degrees doesn't prevent you from making bad decisions.

http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=97243

DormAngels was paying her $250/month?! I think DormAngels got ripped off...

;)

J.

Unbelievable bullshit. You are straight lying about your "achievements" in both high school and at Indiana University.

For a young lady to enter IUB with a full ride (Very impressive, considering the various scholar programs at the University, only about 200 people get full tuition), approximately eight AP classes worth of credit (did you really score 3+ on eight tests?), and wind up with two degrees, you should be courted for positions at Lucent - not whipping out your titties on film for $250 a month.

It really bothers me when people claim success, especially in your case because I am connected with IUB and their Chem department is world class, when in fact they are vapid whores who can't construct simple, coherent sentences.

You should be ashamed of yourself for calling out the owner of your website!

You do realize you just made yourself look like a very small player, don't you?

I pay models 25%, which is WAY too much, and I take a lot of shit for it.

Hell, even Michael Jackson only makes something like 10%. The artist/model has no real responsibilities or "know how" needed.

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You have a very good point there greg

That was some gospel truth right there.

Jeff we have an OFFICIAL event called thebellyflop and you are not welcomed, or will not be allowed in any way to be a part of it...

I HOPE THIS IS VERY CLEAR TO YOU!

It's easy to explain away the need to have a "day job" by saying that you love it. But you previous post, about giving models such a huge percentage, hints at the REAL reasons you have a day job. No business sense.

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You nailed it!

I bet that's a lot less than the 25% of gross that I pay my models. Like Perfection said, get over yourself.

Joesho

Joe.. ummm dude.. relaxe. Last I heard, you didnt have he corner on a bit if friendly fun... bellyflop or otherwise. Im NOT coming to your event, like it would really matter if i did anyways. I can and well do what I please in the pool area at and when I see fit.

I am not nore did I ever mock your holy grail of a contest. Didnt even know you were having one really. My idea come from pictures I shoot last year of Steve, Tanker and Jman doing belly flops. If I ma not mistaken.. Lightspeed has the corner on that event.

Even so, I dont know you and you dont know me. Why you have this opinion I will never know. I ask you... like a gentleman to call me and tell me exactly what I ever did to you personally for these continued attacks. So far.. you have not done so. Im still waiting and would love to hear what you have to say and settle our difference like adults. My icq is in my sig. Use it.. and at least treat this like a business instead of a junior high play ground. Your not a kid.. I know. Lets talk... if you cant well then its an "agenda" issue and nothing more.

Man.. people, people close me me say you are a great guy and they can not understand for the life of them the personal attacks. Everyone says its totally out of charctor. I tend to beleive them.

Why dont you take 10 minutes... pick up the phone and handle this is a business type manner. I would love the chance to hear what i did to you. If you cant do that... then we know it has noting to do with me, but just some sort of business agenda.

Hit me up man... my icq is on and my phone is charged.

:)

BTW..... see sig and Dormangels rocks!!!

when and if I ever need to attack you personally you will know the difference LOL

You seem to be bent on trying to ride the coattails of something that MikeAI has decided to run in conjunction with several other sponsors, including myself www.remotethumbs.com so I want to be clear as I stated above, this is an official event and it would not be wise of you to try to fuck with it, MikeAI or myself in any manner... you will get a chance to meet me in florida, until then there is nothing we have to discuss at this point. I will be poolside though, and am easily aproachable if your intentions are not suspect of foul doings! if they are, you will get a chance to meet me quicker than you will like to.

I do not know how to sugar coat things and do not try to..

as you said I do not know you, so I will reserve my PERSONAL judgement until I have had a chance to speak with you in person

I will however defend our co sponsors and not sit by and watch someone try to torpedo something that was meant in fun with a bogus attempt at getting the black marks off of themselves at our expense.

trust me you do not want to make this a personal thing....

I've had zero bounced checks come back in the past six years. If you are gonna bounce that many in a year, don't come in here and tell us how good of a businessman you are.

You'd be wrong, dude. The affiliate portion of our business is very low. I have never really actrively pushed the affiliate program, although it has done quite well. I go from board to board whoring for webmasters. I seriously doubt you are paying your girls a better commission that I pay mine.

Six pages. Better than a lifetime movie. :)

If you are paying your girls more than I pay mine, you're paying way too much. I pay mine too much.

That's why you have two jobs, as AaronM said.

There is no animosity when I say this. It's just the truth.

Joesho... I can assure you with no reservation at all that I never wanted to "ride the coat-tails" of this event. I never knew it was happening. Man, if its an ego or pride thing cool, but my god... to get this worked up over some pool event is not worth it.

I have no intentions for any foul doings or staging some sort of outburst at this event. The fact that you think I would is further proof that you dont know me. Why this has become a personal thing I will never understand. My idea was and still is totally seperate from yours..so seperate that I never even knew it was going to happen. I dont care about MikeAI or this event at all. All I care about is my business and thats it. This was not a staged event, ever to fuck with you or MikeAI. If I wanted to do that... there are tons of ways to fuck with people outside of some bellyflop event. :) Not my style.. never has been and you can ask the long list of people that know me well to back that up.

Im sorry if you guys felt I was riding your coat-tails and truthfully in honored that you felt I would actually make a difference. That being said.... I never set out to offend or piss anyone off. It was all in good fun. Thats it.

I do want to sit down with you or the offer still stands for you to give me a ring.

Take me up on it... and lets end this confertation now. Cool?

Man, you're a REAL dick! I work my 'other' job because I spent 8 years of my life getting a PhD and LOVE WHAT I DO. I make enough from webmastering to do it full time, but I WANT TO DO BOTH. Does that register with you in the slightest, you stuck up prick?

People like you lead miserable lives. You're always comparing yourself to others based on what you have and how much you make. I got news for ya pal, YOU'LL NEVER BE SATISFIED! Whether you make more than me or vice versa, I COULD FUCKING CARE LESS. Honest to god, dude. I am happy doing what I do. I refuse to play your game, asshole!

Ya know you troll... I have WAY more business sense then you will even think of having. The fact that you are pissing off some of the biggest holders of traffic.. traffic that would convert the shit out of your sites is proof of that.

I had a cash flow issues last Oct and Nov of last year.... fucking sue me. Shit happens.. you regroup and move forward.

Shit.. after what was through.. the fact that I am still here and growing is proof I have strong business skills. Knowing how to recover and doing it when things are tough take a hell of a lot more still then riding the wave everyway.

And buddy.. some of us do this full time and support our families and employees on what we earn from out sites.. Unlike you, they guy that is still doing this as a second income hobby.

Good luck man... you cant even talk to 99% of the people in here when it comes to running and marketing your business... myself included. You say you have been around for years and yet i seen you and your program for the first time yesterday. LOL My ass!

Call it like I see it... dont like.. go somewhere else.

When you get serious and want some mass traffic that will convert your sites... you just let me know. :)

:)

hehehe! I would ignore you but you continue to amuse me. :321GFY

They come to me. I don't actively SEEK models. I have only worked with one amateur, the rest are dancers and pornstars. These girls already had sites with previous webmasters, who, btw, FUCKED THEM OVER. Since I pay all start up expenses, they have nothing into the site, which means if it fails, they lose nothing.

Two questions:

1. Are you in LA?

2. Have spoken to Chantelle Fontaine?

.... which works out GREAT for the webmaster if the site takes off. The model continues to make 'her wage', and the webmaster takes all the extra profit. Now I know why so many girls are reluctant to start sites. Because there are so many fucking sharks out there in the waters of the web.

What you dont seem to get is that your 60% of net is the same as 10% of gross. You are not paying one more dime then we are. Not a cent. Get over yourself.

I know the math on solo sites buddy. Had to crunch the shit out of the them numbers over the last year. I could write a book... a book that you should read.

Think about this... do you think the guy that sits in a machine shop making bolts for cars should get a piece of the pie when the car sells? Dont work that way. Everyone has a job and a roll in the finshed product. This industry is no different.

Because most of them are too busy with their careers to learn how to build and manage a website so they rely on opportunistic webmasters who FUCK THEM OVER and steal from them.

More girls to steal from .....

I can't believe this thread is still going...who's kissing who's ass...The only guy I know talking here that treat or pay his models like they are appreciated and not meat is LSteve:thumbsup

Enough said...end this shit already:Graucho hahahaha!

LOLOLOL Yeah... their shopping careers. hahaha!

Dude.. you pay the same exact amount ( a little less actually ) the any program in here that pays there girls on revshare. DO the damn math man!

Please tell me how 60% of net is more then 10% - 20% of gross that has beeb quoted here... over and over again.

Please.... Mr Captian Save A Hoe.... enlighten us.

Waiting.....

I have to agree with Steve. There is a hell of a lot of work making a single girl site (or any site for that matter) a success. The majority of models have no clue the amount of work it takes and how much money the program has to invest....and the program is taking a risk, the site may not be a success.

I don't know the whole story behind Mandy but she knew getting into it that she may only get paid $250 a month and she agreed to that. Chances are profits are not much at the moment but who is to say that they won't be much bigger down the road if the site becomes very popular.

Someone with two degrees (psych and chem) should be able to find employment that would generate enough funds to cover her rent. That is if she was willing to work a day job. She may be under the impression that being a model, all she should need to do to live the good life is a couple days of work per month....in which case she is sadly mistaken.

I would hope that Mandy decides to talk to them personally and perhaps they could explain the business side of things more so she doesn't feel betrayed as she does now. Perhaps if they showed her how much income her site brought in and then the expenses that had to be paid it would help. Many models don't understand that hosting, office expenses, billing companies, webmaster payouts, design and everything else does not come cheap

Yeah right... I could teach a fucking monkey HTML in a few hours and after spending most of his time flinging his shit around the cage and masturbating, he would still have plenty of time to update his own site FOR 100% of the NET.

Do you have any other brilliant excuses for people who can't get thier shit together and take control of their lives? Or would you like to quit while you're behind?

A lot of people have two or more jobs How much do you pay for health insurance and how does your retirement fund looks like and the other the bennies?

Just to let you know, no hate here, but working for someone has some benfits and if you are smart, if can work out to your advantage to make more money. :)

Damn. I just got a MONSTER blowjob from a big lipped chick today...and it only cost me 50.

I recruit my girls like Walmart...I find the CHEAPEST girls in bulk and sell them cheap...Do it in volume and voila!

Have you been reading my posts? If you have, then you would realize that I COULD FUCKING CARE LESS WHAT KIND OF A 'PLAYER' I LOOK LIKE IN THIS BIZ. Please take a moment and let my comments register with you.

The porn industry is a FUCKING SEWER. It is filled with opportunistic leaches who are making money by 'turning girls out'. I don't play the fucking game. I DON'T CARE! I don't go to the conventions. I don't go to the parties., I don't do a lot of networking, even though I could be richer today for having done it.

There are a lot of things I WON'T DO in this biz, regardless of how much money I can make from it. For example, I will not do hardcore porn. I personally think it debases women and I refuse to do it on my personal sites. Don't believe me? Look at the submission rukles on my link list! Yes, Devin deRay has done hardcore on her site but she started doing that AFTER I started working with her and she knows exactly how I feel about it.

Another thing that I am sure will piss off all you PLAYAS. I have always given my girls COMPLETE ACCESS TO CC BILLING STATS so they can be sure that I am not stealing from them. Moreover, any girl who wants to come work with me will get the same consideration (assuming I want to work with her). How many of you PLAYAS give your girls that kind of access. If not, why not? Got something to hide from them?

What would Captian Save a Hoe think about this?

Still waiting for you to answer my question. You wont, because you cant.

What would Jesus do?


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http://www.perfectioncash.com/misc/jesus3

HAHAHAHA! I love this. I really do. Have you ever heard of people who win the lottery and still keep working a 9-5 shift at wallmart because they want to? It is clear to me that you have never had a job or career that you love outside of doing this. That's fine for yuo. If you can and want to do this full time, I'm happy for ya. Really, I am!

I don't have a job. I have a career. I only started webmastering to pay living expenses while I was in grad school. I decided to keep doing it because the income was good and because I also enjoyed doing it. Obviously, you will think what you will. I DON'T FUCKING CARE!

= I DON'T go from board to board whoring for webmasters.

GOD, you are so fucking full of yourself. If you were really doing as well as you seem to be claiming, you wouldn't have had a cash flow problem. Anyway, I really don't want to keep arguing with you. I'm really happy that you are doing this as a full time job if that is what you want to do. Why is it so hard for you to believe that someone might actually prefer doing something else as a primary occupation? Do you have an advanced college degree? If you did, you would appreciate the amount of time and energy that goes into getting one.

Whatever, dude! I'm tired of arguing about this. You are right about one thing. I could make a lot m,ore in the adult webmastering biz that I am if I played the game the way you guys do. However, I couldn't look myself in the mirror. There are some things more important to me than $$.

And for the LAST TIME I do my 'other job,' because I WANT TO. Part of it involves research and part of it involves teaching. I get MUCH MORE satisfaction from doing that than I do from running porn sutes.

That would be 'no' on both counts.

Yes, my girls have access to CCBill stats.

Next question.

Where did i make a claim on my huge income? Show me. My income is jumping by larger percentages everyday however. Cash Flow issues happen with all business. Every single one... well except yours of course. hehe

I dont want to argue with you either, but you have failed to answer my questions. How is 60% of net, more then 10% of gross?

I have no issue with you working two jobs or three or whatever. Good for you... glad you are happy. Dont cloak it making yourself better or above us. Youre not. You dont pay more, you dont do anything different. We show ccbill stats to the models and we pay above the industry standard... and yes... we pay more then you... thats very clear.

Yes i have an advanced degree. Masters in Music Education.

You are not special, different or do one thing different then the rest of us. You will never see that, but its true.

Now.. get to work.

Then I guess we have no reason to keep arguing about it.

You are a real DICK!

No more questions. I'm pretty much done with you.

Cash flow problem happen when you don't have enough $$ in your account to cover the checks you have written. Do come in here talking about 'simple math' when it's obvious that you can't even balance a fucking checkbook.

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