How important is GFY and other boards to you and your biz?

I love you eb :thumbsup

What products are you currently working with on main stream sites? How would you recommend someone that wants to get into mainstream start out?

well there are tons of people who are or want to be bodyguards, bouncers / doorman, PI's etc by buying the 2 best names for the industry bodyguards.com and SecurityGuards.com my goal is to build a site where people can list themselves for a fee, like a directory.

Plus on sites like these there are many things you can sell, from clothing gear to reselling training videos and classes etc.

And because these sites attract people with money in most cases you can get some high end companies to advertise on it from private jet companies to home safe companies or companies who sell trained k9's etc.

Right now im still at the stage where I am writing it out

You get lots of SE traffic. what is your best term?

even if processors would not go out of business pay per view etc is solid.

Tons of people surfers FEAR the word recurring, maybe they had a bad experience maybe they think its hard to cancel etc.

there is only so much time in the day but one day I hope to make all my exclusive stuff avilable on pay per view.

If you want proof on how much surfers fear recurring try this

Give them 2 options 2 join

24.95 recurring
29.95 non recurring watch a ton of people pick the non recurring even thou they could of just canceled the recurring

I responded in that thread when you asked

What do you see as some good mainstream industries for an SEO to acquire traffic for (other than the typical dating, gambling, pharmaceuticals)? Preferably high profit with existing affiliate programs setup.

Thanks in advance.
WG

oh i didnt see your response. ill go look there now, thanks

interesting idea..... what % that select non recurring do you find joining again for another month, etc and do they select the recurring option the second time around?

Would you consider paying affiliates with epassporte?

very important, you get tons of small ideas that overtime add up to more money, ideas on how people sell their product, you discover new marketing options, things that a 5000 page book wont be able to teach.

Plus its a great way to do business with others, think of how many things in this business started with 2 people meeting on a message board (sometimes bad stuff too)

How do you build affiliates?
the first exclusive paysite u started, how much is it costing u weekly for content now?

at the moment we use third party billers, im working on a PPS option version of my program, with that we will be able to payout in many ways

Going from mainstream to porn is different then going from porn to mainstream, the main difference you will see right away is traiic, in porn its not hard to get 250k hits first week you open your doors, from tgp, se, mgp, links etc. In mainstream you might do that a year (depends on budget and product)

The best way to see if you are ready for mainstream and to test before you decide to spend allot of money is to go to sites like cj linkshare clickbak and signup to promote a mainstream product, see if you can figure out the marketing end of things then you if you master it you can then move on to your own stuff

terms are trciky one day its one one day its another and all depends on what site

in these days I work more on figuring out not so common used terms then the common ones that everyone uses, easier to get listed AND mostlikly if someone types it in they are more serious, the guy typing in ass licking movies is more serious then a guy typing in asslicking, the first guy is being specific

financial related stuff, credit reports, loans

if you find an ebook with a good sales pitch (clickbank has a few good ones) you can do amazing

Profit wise on the above compared to gambling/pharma is mostlikly way less thou

if your content is good and niche you will have no worry about deent number of rejoins and usally after a few times they will signup for recurring or a 3 or 6 month membership

if you have a smaller membership (say under 300), I'll give it all to you for 199$ which is basically half the regular price

if you want a demo pass to see it all, hit me up or ask for a demo and I'll send one to you fast.

btw, if you have affiliates I can work on bandwidth so you can offer our packages to them.. and you can promote it as your own

no upsells, no wp branding

Thanks. Hope you announce it here when you do. I make a nice amount with dating, but I could probably make a killing with escorts at a fraction of the traffic.

the more content you shoot the costs is less and less (never free and in these days I pay more for quality have a rule now that 95% of my content must feture girls with no tats and must have nice clean bodies)

Because im niche I build affiliates slower then the avg. paysite, but I do ads here and there like this month im on ynot other months on gfy etc.

Plus contact peoplke with similar sites, some are against promoting a competing site some are not but everything is worth a try.

Thanks for the answers EscortBiz... this thread is now bookmarked :)

As an affiliate I've noticed that the programs I promote without many upsells in their members areas (if any) rebill much better than those that upsell a lot of similar paysites in their members area.

As a paysite owner whats your take on this ? Do you think upselling similar paysites has any significant effect on rebills ?

Also do you think its fair that webmasters promoting revshare don't get a percentage of money made from upsells. If its 'supposed' to be a 50/50 partnership then how come affiliates don't get credit for upsells by most revshare programs ?

hehe, threads like these don't come around everyday. Thanks EB :thumbsup

when it comes to niche sutes people stick around if they like it, its not uncommon for people to have many different memberships.

did you know the avg spanking VHS goes for 40 bucks and thats just an hour take

Or if you go to stonefoxproductions the avg medical vhs is 60 bucks for an hour

See when someone comes across a niche site and they see tons of movies for free its like a no brainer deal

Should affiliates get credit for upsells yeah in my case I wish I can figure out using a third party biiller how to transfer the affiliate codes to banners in my members area

Actually i dont see a response from you in this thread I made
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...pagen umber=1

maybe it was someone else you responded to. Id love to have that advice from you :)

Great thread. Thanks for taking the time to share your secrets with the current level of internet porn.

Thx for the info :)

I'm noticing more and more adult webmasters are getting into mainstream from adult, their main reason being that its more profitable and they want to diversify their income.

Could you give any advice on where to start or any decent markets in mainstream that would be worth some time and investment ? Can you think of any decent websites or forums that might be a good place to start for info ?

sorry thought I responded

Well first thing is tht there is no way to make 500 dollars a day quick but if you setup the following plan and you take it serious you can achive it in 3 months.

Step 1) pick 2 sites that use 2 different billers (one primary should be say ccbill the other epoch as example) that offer exclusive content in a certain nice

The sites you pick must offer recurring, if they offer PPS and recurring pick the recurring.

Get some webspace, free hosting from reliable sponsors is good too given that you use your own domain and they dont add anyything to your pages (counters, ads etc.)

Avoid hosted galleries, design your own and do the following

1 TGP submission daily
1 MGP submission Daily

But make sure you follow the rules, and make sure you pick the right pics and clips, you might even want to ask the sponsor to give you members access to grab your own stuff, goal be different.

You will have to spend time on monitoring everything daily.

When you create the TGP's and MGPs make them SE friendly, so many times I see galleries with the title being "Untitled Document"

Will you get tons oif SE traffic, well not really but over time it will add up.

Every 30 days change the sites you promote.

In month 3 between new signups and recurring getting to 300 to 500 a day is not uncommon.

Problem is people do not stick to a sponsor and figure it out, people do not monitor, they get lazy (ever see the threads where someone wants a sponsor that offers hosted galleris, mgp, a submission tool etc, these people never make it)

Stick to it regardless how bad certain days will be it will pay off

youre the best! thanks EB :thumbsup

well when you are in mainstream you have more marketing opportunities, imagine girls gone wild would only sell online, he would never be able to do 100mil last year.

Think desperate markets and test before jumping in.

Everyone should have more then 1 source of income if you want real financial freedom (and setting up a backup biller does not count as a second source)

here is a message board its not adult related at all www.ablake.net all mainstream people there, and dont expect it to be anything like GFY traffic is low but you can get awesome ideas

Thank you for your time :glugglug

If and when you want your movies on pay-per view, XOD would be happy to put them up on our pay-per view site.(pay-per minute and download rentals)

Ok last question :)

What advice could you give to someone who is thinking about starting a paysite, I've already found the niche which is very underexposed. I'd appreciate some info on some of the most important things you've learnt as a paysite owner in the past 18 months.