Oh, you can win leather jackets now for the longest thread? Hmmmm, I have all kinds of leather (not an animal rights advocate), but I do not have a DVD player. Can I opt for the DVD player instead? Besides, my favorite leather clothing are tailor made, I am not really an off-the-rack kind of guy when it comes to leather http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

learned along time ago that abortion belongs with religion and politics in the list of things not to talk about with friends.

Everyone has their strong opinons and they are not likely to change them.

I'm prochoice to a degree but prolife for my own life. Unless the prolifer is one of those picketing (or funding those that do) or bombing clinics then I am not going to boycott them. People have the right to have their views.

As I said in the other thread, Dave was adopted...I am sure there is a connection.

Burger King, a few years back was accussed of treating its gay employees in a discriminating manner. There is hardly a mutlinational that is clean.

Here's some disturbing abortion pics - http://www.precious-life.com/Abortion_Photos_3.htm

You look at those and wonder how the hell people could do that to a baby.

I support abortion to the age of 5.
I support the murder of abortion doctors.

You get more than 2 abotions in your lifetime, you should be forced into mandatory sterilization.

Nothing makes me sicker than a slut who uses abortion as birth control. Fucking pigs.

Have you seen what we're capable of doing to fully grown people? Humans are a seriously whacked animal. But at least we don't eat our young anymore or fling poo. (well, most of us don't)

Shit, sounds like I missed another meeting. Was there anything else I missed? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Mr Amputate Your Head is right about human beings.
Lets take a look at all the wars going on around the world, thousands of people are being killed everyday by violence - it seems to be a HUMAN HABIT.

I don`t think the discussion about abortion will ever be closed, there are just some issues that attract such different opinions that there will never be a real compromise. (for example : gun laws - drugs).

P.

I believe you are confusing traits with habits, or habits with traits.

habit - n. 1. customary practice or use 2. a particular practice

trait - n. 1. a distinguishing characteristic or quality, esp of one's personal nature

In other words, it may be a trait of humans to kill one another, and their habit to do it in the most cruel way possible. Or a human trait is to form habits, but they can not habitually have traits. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif Kind of a big difference.

limited pro-choice.
they should limit the number of abortions you can have in your whole life.

what are these helmet laws you keep on going on about?

im vehemently pro-choice, and menace pro-lifer's protesting outside of abortion clinics when i have the chance. fucking cunts.

anyone who thinks there are a significant amount of women using abortion repeatedly as "birth control" need to have their heads examined..

Motorcyclists being REQUIRED to wear helmets in order to ride. I don;t remember the official count, but not every state has the law. Unfortunately, California does.

Pro Choice vs. Pro Life:

I'm for Pro-Choice. I think every woman has the right to use an abortion as birth control!
Every doctor that performs an abortion should be going over the risks involved so you know what you're getting into here! And if they don't, then every woman should know about the risks as well. If you don't and you've had to many abortions and now you can't have kids when you think you're ready?sorry?too bad?maybe you should have used protection?that includes ABSTINENCE as well!

I think we have to consider the overgrowth of our population too as well when considering the effects of Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life

I'm tired of seeing on the news how we're constantly ruining this planet, causing a faster effect of global warming, watching wildlife get killed because we've invaded their territory because we've outgrown ours, etc, etc?.

And since I'm a stats freak, lets go over these findings:

Estimated U.S. population as of July, 7th 2000: 6.1 BILLION PEOPLE (6,137,400,560)
Estimated U.S. population expected one year later 6.2 BILLION PEOPLE (6,234,250,378)
Growth over one year, for those who can't easily do the math, is 96,849,818!

Looking at the growth population alone at http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/img/worldpop.gif shows that by the time we reach the year 2050, there will be just over 9 BILLION PEOPLE!

The current world population is over 6 billion and increases at a rate of 76,570,430 people every year. U.S. population has increased 85 percent since 1950, growing from 151 million to 283 million in just fifty years. If present trends continue, our population will reach 400 million by the year 2050.

More people mean more pollution, less green space, and even more demands on the earth's already overburdened resources.

So, if we did elect to ban abortions, then we'll definitely eat ourselves out of house and home?. eventually?if not our life time?then maybe our kids!

That's my $.o2 worth!




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oh.. in Australia you're required to wear a helmet to ride a bike.. mush less a motorcycle.. i guess from that vantage point (ie a societal norm) it looks like a bit of a silly thing to be boycotting a product for.. but thats the difference of cultures i guess..

Many states have mandated the use of helmets for motorcycle riding, and federal highway funds were held as blackmail over states to implement them, along with the use of seatbelts.

While most states have at one time or another had mandatory helmet laws, many have repealed said laws, mainly because it has been proven over and over again that helmets do not save lives, and in fact the percentage of fatalities to miles ridden have increased in states that do have mandatory helmet laws.

Tooting my own horn - a few years back I intentionally got a ticket for riding without a helmet (took 4 months to get it), took it to court and was convicted (as I hoped would happen), and then I took it to the Appellate Courts and had the conviction over-turned. I did this all representing myself.

Unfortunately, the Court of Appeals does not publish all decisions, and my case was one they did not publish, so my efforts were not utilized in the manner I had hoped, that being the repeal of the law here in California. At least I get away without wearing one around my town as a result.

As far as whether or not there are chicks out there using abortion as a form of birth control, granted, there are not many, but there are some, and that is disturbing.

tekart,

Have you ever heard the saying that you can prove anything with numbers or statistics? You have definitely taken that to a new level. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif Allow me to expound.

First you say, Estimated U.S. population as of July, 7th 2000: 6.1 BILLION PEOPLE (6,137,400,560)
Estimated U.S. population expected one year later 6.2 BILLION PEOPLE (6,234,250,378)
Growth over one year, for those who can't easily do the math, is 96,849,818!

Then you say, The current world population is over 6 billion well duh. If the US population is at 6.1 billion, then I will make an educated guess that the world population exceeds 6 billion http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Then you state, U.S. population has increased 85 percent since 1950, growing from 151 million to 283 million in just fifty years. If present trends continue, our population will reach 400 million by the year 2050. What happened to the 6 billion we had a few lines earlier?

Your stats remind me of another saying, "If you can not dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit." http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

baddog, I think you can get a leather jacket when you get 1000 posts http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

I've had a DVD player for about a year, they rock!

My concern is if I will have to upgrade from my MS-DOS 5.0 OS if I want to play it on my 386-DX pc. I bumped up my RAM from 4meg to 8meg as a Xmas present to myself. I suppose the internal pc speaker will be cool for now.

don't take this as being too antagonistic, but if this were true why doesn't the superbike championship admin outlaw the use of helmets for it's races in the name of safety?

have you ever met someone with brain damage from cracking their head on the pavement?

i find it hard to believe that helmets don't prevent injury.. that why we have a SKULL instead of a nutsack around our brains.

sure i see the argument from personal freedom.. but to say that helmets increase injury..... well im not going to pretend i know for 100% sure.. and i will be doing some research after this.. but i'll tell you right now i feel far more comfortable riding with a helmet than without... and i don't trust stats without other opposing/more impartial sources
we also have seatbelt laws BTW too.. i trust you have no negative data on this?

of course there are a few.. but not enough to warrant the constant referral to them, it shows how far the pro-lifers strawmen have insinuated themselves into everyday conversation..

A sperm is a cell.

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Let's speed this up...

Someone is going to argue that after conception, things are different because then there is a life.

I'm going to say, there's life in my sperm too.

They're going to say, yes, but after conception, there is a chance for that life to become a human.

And I'm going to say, there's a chance for every single sperm swimming around in my nutsack right now to become a human.

They will say it's not the same thing.

I will say it is exactly the same thing, and that sperm donors & masturbaters are, by their standards, murderers.

This will go on for a while, until someone gets really frustrated, then I will get drunk, make some more smart comments about God punishing the feeble minded,... people will get mad and yell, and the whole thing will spin into complete chaos.

Okay... now I can go eat.

heheheh.. does get a bit sameish the sixth or seventh time eh?

Thanks Amp, you saved everyone a lot of bullshit typing. Much appreciated ;-)




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Pro-choice, there should be no laws on someones body.

Damn Amp, you probably eliminated 15-20 potential posts, are you trying to prevent me from getting that DVD player or something? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

bhutocracy, well please feel free to do your research, and if you need some links to see the statistics proving my point, please feel free to ask.

A few points though. Motorcycle racers rarely take a full impact on their helmets, their helmets provide to functions, one is to prevent injury from sliding their heads along the pavement, and aerodynamics.

Secondly, the first thing done in an ER for a massive head trauma, is crack the skull, if it has not been done so in the accident, to relieve the pressure on the brain from swelling. An experiment, take a chicken egg, and shake it vigorously, then crack the shell and notice the yolk is broken. Same thing happens with the brain (or your brain on drugs).

Lastly (for now), but certainly not least, the percentage of head injuries due to motorcycle accidents is a fraction of those received in automobile accidents. It is illegal to wear a helmet while driving a car. Care to guess why that is? There are a many reasons, but I will see if you can figure them out.

Lastly, while I may not approve of seatbelts, I would never get in a car without one. There is a big difference between what happens to innocent bystanders if a motorcycle rider leaves his bike. If a car is involved in an accident, and the driver is ejected from it, the car will rarely just fall over. Much damage can occur to a driverless car as opposed to a riderless motorcycle.

I am pro-choice.

I mean, what if a FAT white women gets raped by some Mexicano. She should be able to kill the quesadilla if she wants. Or at least put it up for sale for 99 cents at the local Taco Bell.

Just my 2 pesos.

No offense to Fat white women.

Acabo de amar las mujeres blancas gordas.

One day there will be some logic thrown into the whole pro-life/pro-choice debate. I am pro-life, always will be, would never have an abortion. I don't judge my friends for their choices on this subject nor would I choose what I eat for lunch by how a person believes on this issue. I would respect a person for calling it what it actually is, an emotional issue instead of a political one.

A few points that seem obvious to me....

How can you say that abortion isn't used for birth control? Outside of rape and molestation (which don't account for most of the abortions each year) an abortion is simply that, birth control. I didn't want to have a baby, inconvenient time, too young, not enough money, whatever the reason..if it's not because of a traumatic event or medical reasons, an abortion is simply an afterthought to a condom. Period, no other way to put it. No 'my choice' about it, you are choosing to terminate a pregnancy after it happened instead of preventing one from happening.

Now for those who say a fetus has no rights except what the mother gives it, just plain hypcritical. By that logic, a woman who's two months pregnant and on crack has a perfect right to do so. In reality, this woman would be committing a crime. A person who kicks a pregnant woman in the stomach can be charged with not just assault, but attemtped murder. A person who kills a pregnant woman is talked of killing a pregnant woman and her baby. So which is it folks, a woman with some cells in her stomach or a woman carrying a child?

Well, as I recall the pregnant chick that got a ticket for driving in the carpool lane was found guilty, and you cannot write off a fetus as a tax deduction, so as usual, when it comes to the government it is a matter of convenience as to when the fetus is considered a child or a human being at all for that matter.

It is birth control. So is murder. Kill a guy and he won't be havin' no sex, and thus, no babies. Birth control. So is castration, chastity belts, Afghani Taliban sewing rituals, imprisonment, vasectomies, drugs, etc, etc, etc....
Agreed.
How can you say "No my choice" and right after a comma say "You are choosing"...? Yes, you are CHOOSING to terminate a pregnancy. Choosing... as in *Choice*. Don't say there is no "my choice" about it when clearly there is.
I don't think it is. I'm not a woman, but I still feel I have the right to do with my body as I please. No one is going to legislate me out of my freedom to tattoo my skin, even if there are 10 million people who think I should be. No one should be dictated by other people as to what can & cannot be done with their own bodies. We don't really own anything in this world except our bodies. Everything else stays right here when we're dead & gone.
Not really. Crack is still an illegal drug. For everyone. Not just pregnant women.
Yes. She would be.
Because it makes the jury weepy and the tears well up and is much easier to get a conviction, would be my guess.
Cells.

I like it when Pro Lifers kill Abortion Doctors!! LOL

Pro lifers, killing people! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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Birth control for the Doctor.

I personally do not condone abortion but I draw the line at the government legislating what women are allowed to do to their bodies.

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yes, right to life, so I can kill you, talk about hypocrisy in action.

put me down for pro choice http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

exactly. unseenworld - I minored in Philosophy in university, and don't see why coming from a phil back ground makes you pro-life. what kind of philosophy are talking about? was Nietzche pro-life?

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No, he was Prussian. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif
And your spelling was right on

edited to change unseenword to world. i studied Nietzche and others for 4 years - spelling it is easy ;)

Pro Choice all the way the gov fuckes with enought stuff as it is.

I just have to sit here and laugh at the fervor with which you, baddog and others, condemn pro-lifers for being so hardline and not willing to see any other point of view. Yet you condemn a dead man, his business, and his customers, because he had a certain religious belief.

You guys need to take a look in the mirror. I'm not pro choice or pro life, I personally don't give a flying fuck, but it's comical when I see things written that imply there is only ONE CHOICE with a Pro Lifer with no room for discussion when I see some of the bullshit ignorant posts on this thread.

Nothing is so cut and dry boys/girls. You are disgusted by the extreme right point of view, I'm sure some of the choicers would be sickened by the extreme left point of view on this subject as well, ie. late term abortion etc etc.

In closing, healer heal thyself.

May Dave R.I.P., I think i'm going to go on over and have a burger right now.

Nz