Shit! That's what I get for using the 'copy & paste' function and then not double-checking what the hell I'm trying to say! lol!

As for dazzling em' with BS...hey..what can I say..when you're good..you're good..or so the wife tells me! lol!

But is that not true of the Pro-Lifers? Go ahead.... deny it.
I don't speak for everyone else, but I don't think I've expressed anything that would be considered "extreme" left... it really just comes down to something very simple and basic. And that is, the right to do with your own body as you damn well fucking please. Anything else added after that sentence right there is just self-serving bullshit. And the Lifers know it and it pisses them off more than anything.

Two questions: where did anyone condemn Dave, and where are you finding a Wendy's open at this hour?

Also, Pro-choice does offer more than one choice, while Right-to-Life does not. Your argument, while I am sure is valid in your own mind, makes little sense. Sorry.

Baddog>>Could it be that adult webmasters are so politically unaware, that they are do not know when they are supporting someone whose political beliefs are so diametrically opposed to their own with their hard earned dollars? Or was Dave Thomas such a great spokesman that he could have any political belief, no matter how inane, that you would still support him financially?<<

Two condemnations here, one for Dave's INANE political albeit religious beliefs, and second, condemning all braindead GenX'ers who haven't grown their hippie activist hair long enough for your personal taste, albeit inane.

Another condemnation, "Your argument, while I am sure is valid in your own mind, makes little sense. Sorry."

Again the narrow mindedness you attribute to the Lifers creeps back into your own posts. Both you and Amputate miss my point entirely. I never said Pro-Life wasn't a one-trick pony, I simply stated that the "Pro-Choice End of Story" attitude on this thread is the same NO CHOICE argument you CONDEMN in the Lifers.

I'm pro choice personally, but I never say it, because I find Choicers to be extremely hypocrytical in their debates against Lifers. Lifer's are no bargain either, but there aren't enough on this thread to take up that argument.

My Wendy's is open 24 hours by the way (ok I'm lying)

Nz

I don't stand firm in either direction..
I disagree with abortion, but at the same time I disagree with government intervention in choice..

I believe that women should have choice, but I also disagree with murdering babies..

Babies can be put up for adoption..however, should the child be unhealthy or there are forseen problems, then abortion is an alternative to bringing that child into a world where he/she would suffer..

It's very complex..

Not that any of this is going to matter soon anyway..I think this whole fucking planet is seriously fucked up & we're all doomed to armageddon..
SOON!!

I don't agree... and you know why? Because it isn't a matter of a NO CHOICE attitude against the Lifers... there's no discussion at ALL with them. That is where that attitude comes from.

I think it is YOU who has missed the point. It isn't about defending MY position... the Lifers offer no alternative whatsoever. Their rule is carved in stone. Bottom line right there... so it's not like the Choicers aren't giving them an opportunity to express or something.... I never said it's my way or the highway... the problem is that there simply IS NO argument at all. They refuse to participate. Why is that? Because in their minds, there is no choice.

Now.. that may be confusing you... well, obviously it is... but it's pretty much the same as someone telling you that you must accept Jesus into your heart and believe and be saved or you're going straight to Hell for all eternity. You may disagree... you may feel that you are fully capable of choosing your belief system, and prefer to choose another. But in THEIR minds... there is NO choice whatsoever. Believe or burn. Again, it's carved in fucking stone and there is no room for debate. (this is a hypothetical example of certain zealots... not a blanket label on everyone of that faith)

So, I hardly think you can call me narrow-minded. I personally happen to think you are VERY confused about life, and perhaps should sit down, get good 'n drunk, and take a really long hard look at your philosophies and ideas. Because you are very misguided son. If that is your idea of narrow or closed minded, or one-sided attitude... you wouldn't last very long in the face of true non-thinking idiots.

Ya gotta be tough man... never let 'em get control of the mind, or it's all over.

I'm sorry, the fact that I disagree with you obviously makes me ignorant, weak and in for a very tough life you know http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

-I never go around mirrors (Lefty Frizzell)

-I'm heading out to the highway (Judas Priest)

nZ

That's what you derived from my post huh?

Okay... see ya later. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/rolleyes.gif

Nedder,

I do not look upon ones stance of Pro-Choice or Right-to-Life as a religious issue, and nowhere have I ever designated it as such. In the USA we have what they call the separation of Church and State. The abortion issue, is a political one, and if you fail to see that, then you are either from another country, or not paying very close attention.

Granted, there are people that may oppose abortion because of their religious beliefs, there are political races won and lost because of the candidates position on the issue, and there are laws governing the issue. I will never condemn anyone for their religious beliefs. I might condemn certain religions, like Scientology, Christian Scientist, Methodist, Mormons, Church of England and Judaism, but I would never condemn the members of these congregations for their beliefs.

Also, I think the fact that I find a particular political platform to be inane falls short of a condemnation. Inane only means ludicrous, asinine, idiotic, senseless, moronic, stupid, etc. It is not a condemnation.

I am sorry you fail to see that Right to Life offers only one choice, while the Pro-Choice offers many. Right to Lifers do offer only one possibility, if you get knocked up, no matter what the circumstances, you carry the baby to term.

Pro-Choice, by definition, allows for any one of a number of alternatives, including, but not limited to carrying the baby to term. Pro-Choice is not pro-abortion, it only offers it as an alternative. The mother makes the decision based on her own personal, religious, moral or political belief.

hahaha nevermind. I was replying to the stats part of it cause it looked right to me but I see the typo now.

Damn 6 billion in the US alone would be pretty scary shit!

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It's not?


all this time.... I've been avoiding the edges...

Shianna,

I suggest you go back and read his post. I only cut and paste what he said. Even he admitted he screwed it up.

Now, perhaps you will go back, read his post, then admit that you too screwed up.

You beat me to it :-) I was editing my post when you replied LMAO I saw the typo.

It has occurred to me, and I am sure Amp can answer this question, but is this the longest thread in the history of GFY in which Boneprone has not participated? I was thinking for a while that it was the only one he had not participated in, but I noticed a couple he missed. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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Well, to be honest, the first time I read his post I was thinking, "okay, NYC can not have more than 1 billion, where are the other 5 billion coming from?" http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Pro-choice...

Now hand me my fucking fries with that Big Classic combo...and make it a Biggie http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

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oops, wrong thread.

[This message has been edited by AaronM (edited 01-12-2002).]

Well, as this thread seems to be dying, I will use this opportunity to make some closing thoughts (I made an 800 mile road trip yesterday, so had plenty of time to think).

I know that there are significantly more males than females that participate on this board, however, I find it interesting how few actually chose to participate in this discussion. Most of the commentary was made by males, which could be equated to the males here doing the voting on the subject of what women should or should not be allowed to do with their bodies.

This is the problem, I think, with what is going on in the real world. Lack of participation by the involved parties (in this case, women), so the people making the decisions of what women are allowed to do with their bodies are men. And why? Because women are not speaking up and making their voices heard.

Maybe I am giving this board to much credit, but I think it is its own little world, and scary as it might be, this world and the outside world are pretty much the same, just on a smaller scale.

So, any of you chicks that are tired of men making the laws that are governing what you can do with your own bodies, you might think about speaking up for yourselves, because while Pro-choice came out on top on this poll, the voice was made primarily by men. In the outside world the voice will also be made primarily by men, but the Right-to-Lifers could have the final say.

Something to think about.

I have really conflicting views on this subject. I want to say pro-life with all my heart but I think that by choosing pro-life we are actually hurting the very children we are trying to save. I believe that in most cases the baby is better off being aborted than raised by a mother who doesn't want it.

I am against abortion though. As women we are responsible for our own bodies. Nature gives us the ability to bare children long before we do. We are reminded each month that we are able to have a child. There is absolutely no such thing as an unplanned pregnancy.

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right to life, not going to risk going to hell for killing a little baby

you guys must be crazy

Risk? Shit.... I got a First Class ticket already.

and probably earned it for making 5,000 posts here?

100 posts - GFY T-shirt
5,000 - First Class ticket to hell

not a bad deal http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Nah... the ticket is at 4000 posts... at 7000 the Devil send up a limo.

if we were worried about going to hell, we probably would not be in this business, besides, there are so many, much more entertaining ways of getting there

well, let's see, at your current rate, you should be eligible for the limo at about 3:30 PM Thursday. I on the other hand had better get to work.

New law change.

It is deemed that counties/cities/states can overturn federal law.

It is now a crime to have and/or perform an abortion in:

Rester County, MA
Boron, CA
Takell, GA
and many others coming.

Punishment:
Perform abortion: up to death sentance
Have abortion: same as involuntary man slaugter.

Anyone else see this shit on MSNBC tonight?

Comments?

Boron, CA? I did not know they had anything there but a prison, oh, and 7 mules.

Looks like they'll be going to the next town....

No they have more. I think it was Lancaster county or that whole area. True, small BUT it points out a disturbing trend.

Another example: It is illegal to own an online casino. Federal Law. But here in Nevada, we overturned it and made it legal.

United States is not so united anymore.

DId you hear about this chick on CNN who got a doctor to abort a baby in the last thingie (forgot name but was 8 months old).

wierd.

Involuntary manslaughter? well that makes a lot of sense. I mean if they are going to make a criminal charge, and not use murder as one, how about voluntary manslaughter anyway. Involuntary makes no sense at all.

Baddog, this topic will always be a tough one, even for a liberal-minded adult community. Even among the pro-choice camp there is a huge diversity of opinion, which thankfully we are entitled to as Americans.

On one hand, I think we are all pro-life in the most liberal and normal sense of the word...I like my life, and I'm sure you like yours. I love babies, having given birth to two of them myself, I am profoundly aware of the implications of abortion. A potential baby dies, no doubt. For this reason, I am not pro-abortion. I don't think abortions should be taken lightly, or used indiscriminately as birth control. I am not in favor of abortions past 12 weeks.

On the other hand, I am very pro-choice, and I support, and will continue to support a woman's right a choose whether to carry a baby to term or have an abortion.

As a woman, I applaud men like you who support a woman's right to choose. Generally, I DETEST the predominately white, Republican legislators who would deny women the right to choose, who would force a woman to bear and birth an unwanted baby without much financial assistance, with little regard for the quality of the life that is born.

I don't detest Dave Thomas however...as an adopted child, he made adoption as an alternative to abortion a priority in his life, and I applaud his activism as a positive attempt to provide an alternative. Yes, he was supportive of the "pro-life" agenda, with which I cannot agree, but I see his efforts to mitigate the harsh reality of his no-choice stance as better than anything Senator Jesse Helms, our own Osama Falwell and Osama Robertson, Ayatollah Orin Hatch, and the rest of that crew ever came up with.

It is involuntary manslaughter because they did not MEAN to get pregnant. If they meant to get pregnant, then got an abortion, it would then be voluntary manslaughter, or possibly murder one if they could prove it was premeditated. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Did I not see those guys pictures on the FBI's most wanted list?

Anyone watch the O' Reily Factor the other day when they had on the leader of the pro-life extremist group on?

Think group was 'The babbash' or some shit.

There is evidence that they plan to execute a massive plot against abortion doctors.

I think this is a common misconception made by right to lifers. Being Pro-Choice in no way implies that someone in pro-abortion. It only implies that women should be given an alternative to having an unwanted, undesired, unloved child.

I agree to womens right to choose if she was raped, for say 18 hours.

If it is a couple, then it should be by approved by both parties.

Abortion is good birth control for stupid people. Without it, there would be more toothless crackers with no education running around.

Do they have abortion in Mexico? Seems like there is way to many mexicans trying to cross the border these days.

I think someone mentioned this earlier, but it is truly ironic that right to lifers feel the need to murder in order to further their cause.

with logic like that, who needs Constitutional rights?

to: unavoidable

Evidentally it is ok to murder Adults just not children.

As it says in the good book of Numbers in the Holy Bible. These is also some good info in that book about beating the spread in Vegas.

Now I thought the Book of Numbers was another name for the Yellow Pages. Guess I need to go back to church.

I thought it was the sportsbook at Caesar's Palace