A refresher course in your expertise, prowess and experience in such matters:

Bringing Donny & Fletch's issue into this is, well, a bit impudent if not a useless waste of time. It's a separate issue all together. If you're going to make the effort to support your viewpoint on the GUBA issue it would be better served to keep the focus.

However, if theft is the common denominator in both issues, it doesn't make anyone's argument stronger by using one to justify the other. After all, no matter which conflict you're talking about, theft is theft. It's easy to take an opposing viewpoint when it isn't your property being targetted by said theft.

But that's just my opinion. I'm certainly not in the same league as some of the debate captains I find myself surrounded by on GFY. :D

All well and fine, but you and Chadgenius (and others) are missing the point. The real issue is that Guba (temporarily) skinned GFY and they allowed it.

We can go on and on all day/night (we have already, actually) about morality, yadda yadda, but many people here were rightly offended when Guba's name, banners, etc. were all over this board.

(to bite for a second: Aff's ripping off content from their sponsor is not comparable: The Aff's are sending the traffic back to the sponsor, Guba is not, to my knowledge)

Well said. :thumbsup

Nothing ventured...nothing gained (except an opinion apparently).

It does not matter if you make money by making someones copyrighted works accessible for a fee or if you put up copyrighted material and slap ads all around it, it's the same fucking thing in a court of law. If it weren't everyone and their grandma would have your shit posted just with ads instead of signup forms. Did you really need clarification on this point?

Very relevant to pointing out the hypocrisy of people when it's something that is near to them. Same people don't give a flying fuck about movie clips in their friends signature or a number of other forms of the same thing. I could give a shit about signatures or GUBA. Just something else to amuse myself with.

I was bitching at the people throwing the arguments I disputed around. Although GFY has made it pretty clear in the past that they don't give a flying fuck what you think. Few advertisers leave someone will be there to pick up the slack. For every GUBA bashing thread on the front page there is a webmaster too chickenshit to tell you he promotes them or would promote them lurking. You are content, you will be treated like shit, and in the end you have a choice of whether or not you post here. So why are ALL of the complainers still here. (Maybe Lenny2 really left? which would make him the only one actually standing up for what he believes.)

The last time I checked, access to USENET is free. Therefore GUBA is only scraping the newsgroups. They don't have any control over what the users of USENET post to the newsgroups. Sure they can filter things, but when they do, users will just go elsewhere, like back to the newsgroups. :)

The content producer is the one getting ass raped in this case, the program is benifiting from the "theft". Why we don't see content producers all offended and going after the programs for this violation of their licensing agreements is beyond me. Other than they need the programs to keep buying content. i.e. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. In other words, steal from me all you want as long as I keep making some money. In the case of Guba, they're not making the money and that's why they're pissed off. So theft of their stuff is A-Ok as long as there's $$$ in it for them.

this thread seems relevant somehow

Fifty pictures~!

they have internet in canada?

Why are more GFY canadians pro-Guba? Is it because there's a general difference in copyright respect and opinion?

Not pro GUBA, pro common sense. Hard to get a feel for my stance from this thread, jjay bumped it because I pissed him off. The discussion was in 3 or 4 threads at one time. :upsidedow

Could you bring the important points into this thread since it's already bumped and we're discussing it? I'm not convinced Guba is 100% bad, but I'd have to say I don't think they're exactly innocent and naive about what they're doing either. It's a bit foolish in my opinion to pretend that you're not violating multiple copyrights and abusing the property of others. :)

And therein lies the real source of all of the recent hooplah...

They allowed it...

Seems to me that the wrong people are being bashed....
Guba's been around for a number of years, and mention on this board a number of times without such bombardment...

But when GFY allowed them to skin, everyone lunged at Guba and very little said about the source of the situation...

At the time I posted this I was laughing at everyone crying that GUBA skinned GFY then claiming their whining was the reason it was removed. It's been proven before that if you lay out the cash you can advertise here. Ibill has even done it. :upsidedow

Another point I was making is that GUBA has been around forever. People were saying how they were going to take them down but they've been going strong for almost a decade and claim to have 10's of thousands of members. Everyone was on here acting like it was some 15 year old at mommas house with no lawyers.

Personally, I think they (GUBA) know it's a borderline area and probably even outright illegal. I also think they know that it would cost a producer more money to fight them than to just let them be. Until the laws change GUBA is going nowhere so all the crying on here is 100% pointless and will accomplish nothing. Even if the laws change I'd say GUBA is making enough money for them to justify moving 100% offshore and flipping the bird to everyone.

And finally, I was laughing at everyone crying over GUBA who uses newsgroup content when many paysites had the same content inside the members area not too long ago. They know they can do nothing about people trading pics and videos but they still get butthurt when you tell them they are being ridiculous by harping on something that will not go away no matter how loud they scream. GUBA laughs at C&D's and DMCA's as I'm pretty sure they've received hundreds or thousands over the years.

In short, everyone should spend their time making money rather than crying about something that won't go away and getting high and mighty when the ads come down like they directly impacted that. Even if they did it is a non-issue. :upsidedow

Oh, and the hypocrites that have no problem with looted software, music, images in sigs, or even images posted her simply for eye candy.

I have a problem with guba and the morons who promote them and I don't steal shit. Now what?

Neato! Does that script in your sig post other peoples content to your blog?

but chadglni, just because a few people do it and get away with it for a few years doesn't necessarily mean it's "ok" then does it ?

I never argued what was ok, I argued that it was unstoppable therefore retarded to argue or cry about. See 2 posts up for the hypocrite example I was talking about.

I don't think it's unstoppable at all. You might remember PersonalPorn ? I'm pretty sure there's at least 1 other newsgroup service that got shut down too. There are numerous examples of these kind of services that existed for a few years and were then shutdown by lawsuits.

Not speaking of GUBA specifically, for every GUBA there are already 100 wannabes. Then you have the newsgroups, hacker forums, file share sites, etc. Sure you might can shut one down (huge task though) and 10 more will pop up at the same time. I can download full members areas to just about any popular paysite on the planet right now and I know this info without even seeking it.

That's not disputable at all. However, the more money Guba makes, the more an attractive target it becomes.

It can. It can also post your own content to your blog at random intervals. It can grab affiliate program feeds and post them to your site. It can do lots of things. I could beat someone to death with the can of soda I have on my desk but I think I will just drink it instead. You can use almost anything for illicit purposes. Guba is created for stealing other peoples content and selling access to that content. It has no other purpose. Nice try though, dipshit.

:thumbsup

bring back the skin so hell can be unleashed again.

Where's Guba ?

go to "view " in the top of the browser then "page source"

I think he was right.

BTW, looks like Guba is a tube site now. How interesting. :1orglaugh