I am saying that the Palestinians should just STFU and accept Israel. The rest of the world did(minus a few extremist countries). This issue was decided long ago but the Palestinians refuse to accept any fair approach. They bucked with the British, they bucked with the UN, they bucked with Bill Clinton and George Bush, they simply wont accept the fact that Israel is there for good.

so you are saying your an enemy of the world ? and thus everyone is an enemy of the world ( as every country has at one point disagreed with a u.n. decision and broken international laws )

great plan.. :winkwink: i dont think the rest of the world is nearly as stupid/foolish/suicidal as the palestinians and jews are being.. Infact i know we arent or everyone would be dead.. all the jews and palestinians seem to be able to do is murder each other in record numbers..

We should just airlift boxes of hand grenades into the area and let them kill each other and turn the place into a garden or something.. anyone smart enough to put the hand grenades down and walk away gets a free acres of land picked at random..

So you think for Israel to assasinate the Palestinian prime minister is going to help achieve that?

Id like you to point out which UN law the USA has broken. This should be good. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

spanno - no I do not think that would be the right thing to do obviously killing any elected head of state by clear cut assassination is wrong. I do not say the Jews are blameless I just see a lot of unjustified hatred for the Jews here in this thread. The Palestinians have a choice they can accept the UN partition plan or even the ones drawn up by Bill Clinton, they just need to accept Israel. Israel has accepted them.

The Palestinians initiate attacks and Israel reacts to the attacks. There is an easy solution to stop the killing and that is for the Palestinians to stop initiating attacks. The Palestinians are fighting a losing cause and suffering greatly while persuing their cause. Not a very bright peoples in my opinion.

If the u.n took your house and gave it to some koreans then gave them bucketloads of cash , do you think your neighbours would care ? , guess who is the only one who would be upset .. YOU ( and a few renegade people :winkwink: )

You have no ability to look at the situation from an unbiased opinion thus you will never learn or solve anything ( kind of like the problems there right now )

Until you can sit back and look at both sides fairly, you will always be stuck in a conundrum and have no way to solve anything , just chanting the same mantra doesn't make it correct it just means you can repeat yourself over and over without actually learning or understanding anything from the dialogue.

No offense to you , you seem like a bright guy , and im not slamming you.. its kind of like when you break up with a girlfriend , its hard to listen to other people's suggestions on how to make it better because your still so deeply involved in the emotional aspect of it. afterwards its easy to say " what the fuck was i thinking " but at the time its not even a concept..

Dont get me wrong i'm not saying your "wrong" , im saying your way of looking at the situation is biased and you wont gain anything by talking about it until you can be the devils advocate. I have a suggestion though..get a fake name and when topics like this come up try debating for the "other side: once in awhile to gain some perspective on the issue.

Im confident i am unbiased because i have done just that , and i feel the same towards both sides.. ANYONE who murders in cold blood is sick and tiwsted , and they both do it on a regular basis. suicide bombers are ignorant and so are israeli death squads. You kill someone in self defense or in a court of law PERIOD.. thats it , there is no justification for unlawfull murder ever..

Not that easy ... depends on which side of the fence you are ...

Reminds me of the Brits and the Irish ...

One thing for sure: anybody that is 25 years old and younger ( either Israeli or Palestinian ) has always lived in a hatred filled environnement, and that will take decades to fade away, if it ever does.

ToSplum: you say .

So it is back to the " you are with us or against us " or the " you are either for freedom or you are a terrorists " ...

Aside ftrom JohntheGreat ( or whatever ), show me that hatred .... This argument is getting so worned out and pathetic .

what an ignorant way to look at it...

He hit me so i hit him back.. great argument.. guess what , theres an easier way to stop killing . YOU STOP KILLING , is that concept confusing ?.. , its not " ill stop if they stop " its . dont kill , thats not a hard rule to follow, its followed in nearly every other country.. dont murder people. , there are no "if he did it first" provisions..



Even my son knows if someone pokes him in the eye its not ok to poke them back.. its funny that some adults cant figure out that concept ( hint hint )..


Just curious , if your neighbours kid poked your kid in the eye with a stick , would you teach your son to hunt down your neighbours kids and poke them in the eyes with sticks.. ?

if you are seriously this daft you need to go read a paper now and again..:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It has been legally argued by "legal scholars" that UN Resolution 1441 provided the legal option to invade Iraq. There of course is not unanimous agreement to this argument. There is one fact and that is the UN has never even proposed a resolution stating that the coalition was, or is in violation of the UN charter, or resolutions, and until they do the legality of the invasion stands as being legal.

Show me the exact UN law, resolution, or mandate the USA has broken please. Oh and sorry my friend a newspaper would not contain that information lol.

Sure was , as well as the Guantanamo situation with the military tribunal was ...

But it seems the Supreme Court of USA disagreed on the later ...

Let's not pot around ... Why would the USA preparte a motion, poll their allies , and they decide not to present it ...

I allow you to spin it the way you want, and if you feel better about it, well great for you.

But it still was an illegal invasion and now occupation, contrary to the first Gulf War .

Smokey, but thats concept of western culture, on the middle east it dont work. Look at former civil war at Lebanon. Violence produce only more violence, they knew it and they werent able to stop themselves from more violence, although they had lived peacefuly all toghether for decades before.

Thats exactly what alot of the Palestinians are teaching their kids, actually much much worse, Israeli children on the other hand are required to join the IDF - do you know what that stands for? Israeli Defense Forces, keywords is DEFENSE.

I am really pissed at giving this link, because it is the answer to a typical right-winger question ( the 12clicks type ) ... And obviuosly, you wont provide any backup to your " legal " stand.

Out of here, and have a nice assassination day ... I just hope that your president, who ever he is, will follow.

If the neighbours kid poked my kid in the eye, did it repeatedly, and told my kid that he will continue to poke my kid in the eye until he moved off of the block, to answer your question, yes.

Several of the "terrorist" orgs that attack Israel have done it repeatedly and have been for more than fifty years, and several of the orgs leaders and members have sworn that they will not stop the attacks until there is no longer a State of Israel.

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army of liberation .... or what other name ... FREEDOM something ... you can call them whatever you want, it still smells like shit :2 cents:

how about we start with israel since we are on the topic, they have broken more security resolutions than any other country

I guess you havent heard of gunatanamo or are blissfully ignorant its in violation of several international laws.

Theres no use arguing with you because your being ignorant , you know damn well the u.s. has violated many many laws and so has israel, I could post the laws but you would just move onto some other topic to avoid reality..

Try reading the news once in awhile.. or do some research if your truly confused , but i think your just trying to be difficult to avoid facing reality so i'm not doing your homework for you..

It is legally arguable as to the invasion being illegal, but until the UN officially declares it to be illegal, it is only your opinion that it is illegal and your opinion does not count for anymore than what it is, an opinion.

Do you understand english properly ? did you read the question ? read it again and try answering it this time..


Even with what you said , you show how foolish your being.. you seriously think there actually IS a correct time to poke peole in the eye with sticks :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thats the funniest thing i have heard all day.. seriously , even my youngest son is smarter than that.

Fuck my opinion, and fuck yours :

.. and even worse now, knowing that all the WMD was fabricated shit and that the OCCUPATION continues ...

But again, what is the point, you will say:

" Yes, but Saddam was a bad man " ... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yea but maybe they just feel like they are getting a raw deal?

I think a big problem is the extremists on the both sides.

The Supreme Court only said that the President exceeded his authority regarding Military Tribunals because Congress has to be involved, not that Military Tribunals are illegal. I expect that Congress is going to correct that problem.

The Supreme Court also did not rule against the detainees being held forever, which they could be, if they are granted POW status, or at least untill the Gobal War on Terrorism is adjuged to be at an end.

A raw deal like demanding to exchange 1000 arrested prisoners for 1 kidnapped soldier? Yes extremists on both sides are really fucking shit up but there is a method to the Israeli madness whereas the Palestinians are simply fight to err fight cause they will never achieve anything that way. The Israelis have a state now, the Palestinians really dont, they should worry about their country more.

No, but what I would say is, Kofi Annan's opinion is the opinion of one man and is not the official opinion of the UN. Lord Goldsmith's opinion, is the opinion of one man also.

Accusation of a crime is only that, an accusation. Until a person, or entity, is convicted of that crime is the person, or entity, actually guilty.

Dude why dont we talk about the topic of the thread, you keep going back into your anti-American tirades deeper and deeper, just get back to the issue at hand.

I read the fucking question and the answer is, yes. Yes, their is a correct time "to poke people in the eye with sticks". Some people deserve much worse than that. I am not a turn thy cheek kind of guy.

End of discussion ...

YOU ( read : YOU ) asked for an articl eabout the illegal war of Iraq ... Not ME ... YOU...

Now it is served on a platter, and don't like the look of it ...

So let's change .... or go back ...

Now, being anti-war, anti-bush is not being anti-americans ... well maybe in your poor brain.

I don't like punk music, but I am not anti punk .. I just don't care for it...

What am I doing ??? trying to educate a donkey ...

Bye Bye...

That's exactly what the west's policy of destabilization in that region is aimed at preventing.

No he didn't ask for an article and you cannot porvide what he did ask for.

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Originally Posted by Splum
Show me the exact UN law, resolution, or mandate the USA has broken please. Oh and sorry my friend a newspaper would not contain that information lol.

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That made my day.

I like facts too.

LOL ... never drama here just annoying to see ignorant people yapping...

The USA and Israel have violated the UN more than any other nations. There have been dozens of resolutions against both countries which have only not passed because of a US veto. I could go grab a book and give your more details but it's up to you to provide your own education, you're not my kid. Get a fucking library card.

Were you being serious? Sorry, I thought you were kidding.


wow

Awesome.... Are they a particular species of the human race or do they just however around GFY in the hope of being relevant? :1orglaugh

I can't believe there are actually people out there who's brains are affected by Fox News' subtle "Israel RESPONDS to an attack by bombing..." bullshit. That's fucking funny. There are actually people in America who think that all Israel does is respond to attacks. Even their offenses and targetted assasinations, I have to assume. Hilarious, but also a little scary.

So why don't you post some ( with the backup ) instead of your " opinions" ...

I did post facts , you didn't.

One one hand, you guys claim that " Regime change" was OK because Saddam was not elected legitimely by the population: on the other hand, you approve of killing a legitimately elected official of a state ...

Flip - flop.

Seriously Mr Soul - I gave up trying to be an educator - it's not worth the effort and past the stage of educating.

Yes.. you are correct in what you say. Add to that the fact that the US has been "the" major objector in the history of the UN - not China, Russia or any other Security Council members.

At the same time, the US remains the largest single club member who has not paid their club fees - and currently now owing around $600 mill.

It is only your opinion (as well as others) that they have violated UN reolutions. If the UN does not pass a resolution stating that a UN resolution has been broken then a UN resolution has not officially been broken.

Just as in a criminal court, if one juror votes to aquit then the defendant is found not guilty.

Everything I have posted is a fact. Please dispute anything that I have posted with opposing facts, if you can. You are posting opinion, either yours or others, but you are not posting counter facts.

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I am choking !!!!!

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Me: opinions, backed by articles with the Head of the UN

You: facts, backed by ... euh .... nothing !!!

Get treated, asap :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

An yet the US still remains the largest contributor to the UN by far, financially, as well as militarily.

You fool were you ever being in that region? there is full blown war on the ground and behind the scenes.

Very nice sitting in a nice safe place ha? imagining going on a bus and looking around you.. maybe it's your day you explode... Israel assassinate to prevent those type of attacks and so far THIS SHIT WORKS!

Anyhow I'm outa here have a great 4th of July all!

You posted an article with one man's opinion. The "Head of the UN" is not the UN, and his opinion is his and not the official position of the UN. That is fact, now feel free to dispute it with fact, not opinion.

Says the one with more that 10,000 posts. Funny stuff.

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I can't believe anyone is so retarded to make such silly comments. There is a serious lack of education somewhere.

Mr Annan takes instructions from UN members. He is not a rolling cannon with a mouth. He is directed to make policy statements on behalf of the UN and is the person who states the "official position" of the UN.

That is the function of the Secretary General.