Agreed .... and you are from the later category.

After world war 2 they were thrown out of their homes to make room for the jews. Imagine your sitting at home and there is a knock on the door its soldiers with guns saying the bible says its our land get out. You would be a little pissed off yourself.

You dont care about the UN? Yes those videos are of people crossing into Israeli territory, also isnt it funny there is no video of that first story? Just two hippy activist "witnesses" with a conspiracy theory story. Cutting down a fence and crossing into Israeli territory(as mandated by the United Nations) is not a peaceful act its called invading.

Thanks, but I really dont need some guidence when it comes to israel.
Israel is funded up to its ears from the US, if the US removed their hands from israel then Israel would belong to the palestinian within 24 hours.

All the arab countries would deal with israel, its their destiny.
One that cannot be escaped. And I do understand them.
I would do the same, if i was one of em. So would 99% of this board.

Move on, zionistfucker.

>> The UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan

That was the plan but thats not what happenned is it! The Jews just went and formed their own state and kicked the Palestinians out.

Right or wrong both sides need to sort it out but you can't just say the Palestinians are terrorists they have a right to be pissed off with Israel.

Thats not true Tony the Jews have lived there for thousands of years, that is their homeland, the Palestinians also have a homeland in the same proximity. The UN resolved the dispute of the lands and partitioned the lands according to international laws. That is why there is a UN. The arabs simply wont live by the UN mandates.

" Jewish" is a religion, not a race neither a nationality ...

I have no " christian " country ... neither " Jehovah Witness " one ... think abit...

if the u.n. mandated half your house today to some koreans , would you be o.k. with that .

I have no problem discussing things in a fair manner , but when you skew your statements to meet your argument your not being fair. You know very well israel isn't "fine with it" , neither of them are fine with it. There are people on both sides who are fine wih it and people on both sides who arent fine with it, you cant generalize all of israel and say " they are fine with it " because it simply isnt true and you know this..

The u.n. isnt always right , and if your house was taken over tomorrow im sure you wouldnt be fine with it either..

Fact is jews were given someone else's land because we felt sorry for them over the "hitler" thing , the people who were there werent too happy about it ( and i dont blame them )

but none of that matters anymore really, fact is theres 2 peoples who dont get along in one area, and nobody has any kind of solution excpet killing each other slowly.. ( great plan )

The UN partioned the land, the arabs disagreed, the Jews accepted and moved forward with the UN plan as they had a right to by international law. Also need I remind you that several arab countries attacked Israel because they disagreed with the UN plan. Who is the enemy of the world here? Obviously it is those who do not follow international law.

So is bush and ariel sharon, so whats the difference? Hamas where invited to sweden, so we could see if there was anyone we could do to stop the voilence. But stupid fucks as you dont understand jack shit, so why bother?

The last thing i need is some advice from some american fat fuck who barely finished school. Just remember, i am intellectuel superior to you.

And no, it wasnt hamas who kidnapped the soldier.
And yes, the attacks from israel was planned LONG before the kidnapping.
Dont believe in the jewish-media, stupid.

please, stop the bs .... Israel as well as Palestine BOTH targets civilians ... read abit, it will maybe ( tiugh I doubt it ) open your eyes...

One has planes and misssiles, the other one AK-47 , mortar and suicide bombers ...

THANK YOU. I LOVE THEE.
Finally, some that knows his shit.

800 muslims lost EVERYTHING they owned when israel didnt allow em to come back to israel after the war. 800 fucking thousand!

Who here wouldnt fucking do the same when you LOST everything? Money, cars, house, your fucking company? I would do even more then the palestinians.

And... the one who has planes and missiles has it because of the US aid.
Last year they got over 2.5 billion dollars from the US just in military SUPPORT....

It didn't matter for Iraq, did it ... So why should it be a regulating force now ...

When you like it, the UN is :thumbsup , when not, they are idiots and the shit ...

The UN should be dissolved.

I have a solution.

Gather those of both groups who have actual hatred for each other, enough hatred to murder, together. Those of both groups who don't have that hatred, let them hang out in Dubai at a nice resort on the beach together. After the fight is over for those two groups who hate each other is over, kill the rest of them that are standing. Then, let the peaceful people who realize or not their bitterness has been passed down to them by previous generations and lame laws live and fuck and work with each other to create a stable place to live.

Oh wait.
I forgot.
It's people we're talking about.

Just remember, jews arent a race unlike the palestinians....

Iraq should be partitioned into three countries imho.

This thread only goes to show how divided this issue is. Whats sad is most people are so biased. The Palestinians could blow up an Israeli elementary school and many people would bring up all the bad stuff Israel has done, as if anything can justify killing innocent civilians. And the same goes for the other side. Israel can do something totally absurd, or make a terrible mistake, and many would claim its propaganda from the Palestinians, or they deserved it.

Are you saying the palestinian's and arabs are the enemy of the world ?
Sounds like you have pretty extremist views

That was not the point!

The point was that the US invaded a country without going thru the UN ( please remember that the US decided not to present the motion of war to the UN) and you are fine with it ...

So why should the UN now be the rule for the Israel territory ...

You remember me of an old boss...when he dealt cards at black jack, sometimes he would stop at 16, other times pull at 17 ... depending on my cards ...

You change the rules as you go .


As for Iraq, you have no business giving your clueless opinion ...

So I will give mine: The USA should be given back to the Amerindians, Texas to the Mexicans, Florida to the Spanish, Louisianna to the French and Alaska to Russia ... :1orglaugh

I am saying that the Palestinians should just STFU and accept Israel. The rest of the world did(minus a few extremist countries). This issue was decided long ago but the Palestinians refuse to accept any fair approach. They bucked with the British, they bucked with the UN, they bucked with Bill Clinton and George Bush, they simply wont accept the fact that Israel is there for good.

so you are saying your an enemy of the world ? and thus everyone is an enemy of the world ( as every country has at one point disagreed with a u.n. decision and broken international laws )

great plan.. :winkwink: i dont think the rest of the world is nearly as stupid/foolish/suicidal as the palestinians and jews are being.. Infact i know we arent or everyone would be dead.. all the jews and palestinians seem to be able to do is murder each other in record numbers..

We should just airlift boxes of hand grenades into the area and let them kill each other and turn the place into a garden or something.. anyone smart enough to put the hand grenades down and walk away gets a free acres of land picked at random..

So you think for Israel to assasinate the Palestinian prime minister is going to help achieve that?

Id like you to point out which UN law the USA has broken. This should be good. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

spanno - no I do not think that would be the right thing to do obviously killing any elected head of state by clear cut assassination is wrong. I do not say the Jews are blameless I just see a lot of unjustified hatred for the Jews here in this thread. The Palestinians have a choice they can accept the UN partition plan or even the ones drawn up by Bill Clinton, they just need to accept Israel. Israel has accepted them.

The Palestinians initiate attacks and Israel reacts to the attacks. There is an easy solution to stop the killing and that is for the Palestinians to stop initiating attacks. The Palestinians are fighting a losing cause and suffering greatly while persuing their cause. Not a very bright peoples in my opinion.

If the u.n took your house and gave it to some koreans then gave them bucketloads of cash , do you think your neighbours would care ? , guess who is the only one who would be upset .. YOU ( and a few renegade people :winkwink: )

You have no ability to look at the situation from an unbiased opinion thus you will never learn or solve anything ( kind of like the problems there right now )

Until you can sit back and look at both sides fairly, you will always be stuck in a conundrum and have no way to solve anything , just chanting the same mantra doesn't make it correct it just means you can repeat yourself over and over without actually learning or understanding anything from the dialogue.

No offense to you , you seem like a bright guy , and im not slamming you.. its kind of like when you break up with a girlfriend , its hard to listen to other people's suggestions on how to make it better because your still so deeply involved in the emotional aspect of it. afterwards its easy to say " what the fuck was i thinking " but at the time its not even a concept..

Dont get me wrong i'm not saying your "wrong" , im saying your way of looking at the situation is biased and you wont gain anything by talking about it until you can be the devils advocate. I have a suggestion though..get a fake name and when topics like this come up try debating for the "other side: once in awhile to gain some perspective on the issue.

Im confident i am unbiased because i have done just that , and i feel the same towards both sides.. ANYONE who murders in cold blood is sick and tiwsted , and they both do it on a regular basis. suicide bombers are ignorant and so are israeli death squads. You kill someone in self defense or in a court of law PERIOD.. thats it , there is no justification for unlawfull murder ever..

Not that easy ... depends on which side of the fence you are ...

Reminds me of the Brits and the Irish ...

One thing for sure: anybody that is 25 years old and younger ( either Israeli or Palestinian ) has always lived in a hatred filled environnement, and that will take decades to fade away, if it ever does.

ToSplum: you say .

So it is back to the " you are with us or against us " or the " you are either for freedom or you are a terrorists " ...

Aside ftrom JohntheGreat ( or whatever ), show me that hatred .... This argument is getting so worned out and pathetic .

what an ignorant way to look at it...

He hit me so i hit him back.. great argument.. guess what , theres an easier way to stop killing . YOU STOP KILLING , is that concept confusing ?.. , its not " ill stop if they stop " its . dont kill , thats not a hard rule to follow, its followed in nearly every other country.. dont murder people. , there are no "if he did it first" provisions..



Even my son knows if someone pokes him in the eye its not ok to poke them back.. its funny that some adults cant figure out that concept ( hint hint )..


Just curious , if your neighbours kid poked your kid in the eye with a stick , would you teach your son to hunt down your neighbours kids and poke them in the eyes with sticks.. ?

if you are seriously this daft you need to go read a paper now and again..:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It has been legally argued by "legal scholars" that UN Resolution 1441 provided the legal option to invade Iraq. There of course is not unanimous agreement to this argument. There is one fact and that is the UN has never even proposed a resolution stating that the coalition was, or is in violation of the UN charter, or resolutions, and until they do the legality of the invasion stands as being legal.

Show me the exact UN law, resolution, or mandate the USA has broken please. Oh and sorry my friend a newspaper would not contain that information lol.

Sure was , as well as the Guantanamo situation with the military tribunal was ...

But it seems the Supreme Court of USA disagreed on the later ...

Let's not pot around ... Why would the USA preparte a motion, poll their allies , and they decide not to present it ...

I allow you to spin it the way you want, and if you feel better about it, well great for you.

But it still was an illegal invasion and now occupation, contrary to the first Gulf War .

Smokey, but thats concept of western culture, on the middle east it dont work. Look at former civil war at Lebanon. Violence produce only more violence, they knew it and they werent able to stop themselves from more violence, although they had lived peacefuly all toghether for decades before.

Thats exactly what alot of the Palestinians are teaching their kids, actually much much worse, Israeli children on the other hand are required to join the IDF - do you know what that stands for? Israeli Defense Forces, keywords is DEFENSE.

I am really pissed at giving this link, because it is the answer to a typical right-winger question ( the 12clicks type ) ... And obviuosly, you wont provide any backup to your " legal " stand.

Out of here, and have a nice assassination day ... I just hope that your president, who ever he is, will follow.

If the neighbours kid poked my kid in the eye, did it repeatedly, and told my kid that he will continue to poke my kid in the eye until he moved off of the block, to answer your question, yes.

Several of the "terrorist" orgs that attack Israel have done it repeatedly and have been for more than fifty years, and several of the orgs leaders and members have sworn that they will not stop the attacks until there is no longer a State of Israel.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

army of liberation .... or what other name ... FREEDOM something ... you can call them whatever you want, it still smells like shit :2 cents:

how about we start with israel since we are on the topic, they have broken more security resolutions than any other country

I guess you havent heard of gunatanamo or are blissfully ignorant its in violation of several international laws.

Theres no use arguing with you because your being ignorant , you know damn well the u.s. has violated many many laws and so has israel, I could post the laws but you would just move onto some other topic to avoid reality..

Try reading the news once in awhile.. or do some research if your truly confused , but i think your just trying to be difficult to avoid facing reality so i'm not doing your homework for you..